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Rayihn | Fri 08-Feb-13 12:02 PM |
Member since 08th Oct 2006
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#48871, "Today's PSA: You can't co wrath down a neutral guy...ever"
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Proof:
c wrath iner
Inerayo yells 'Die, Baerinika, you sorcerous dog!'
Inerayo does not seem to be affected.
You turn Inerayo's attack against him!
Inerayo's punch decimates him!
Your punch *** DEMOLISHES *** Inerayo!
Your punch MASSACRES Inerayo!
Your punch *** DEVASTATES *** Inerayo!
Your punch MANGLES Inerayo!
Inerayo has some small but disgusting cuts.
The Temple of the Divine indoor 9 PM Alias:Off 1200 12 inside peace
Your punch MANGLES Inerayo!
Your punch MANGLES Inerayo!
Your punch MASSACRES Inerayo!
Your punch misses Inerayo.
You step inside Inerayo's punch with a quick backfist.
Your punch MANGLES Inerayo!
You parry Inerayo's punch.
Inerayo is covered with bleeding wounds.
The Temple of the Divine indoor 9 PM Alias:Off 1200 3 inside
You bring the room to peace.
The Temple of the Divine indoor 9 PM Alias:Off 1200 inside c sanc iner
You reverse the polarity of your sanctuary to negative energy.
Inerayo is surrounded by a black aura.
The Temple of the Divine indoor 9 PM Alias:Off 1200 12 inside restore inerayo
Inerayo has been restored.
The Temple of the Divine indoor 9 PM Alias:Off 1200 inside
c 'divine malison' iner
Inerayo shudders briefly, and looks nervous.
You turn Inerayo's attack against him!
Inerayo hits himself.
Your punch maims Inerayo!
Your punch maims Inerayo!
Your punch MUTILATES Inerayo!
Your punch MUTILATES Inerayo!
Inerayo injures you.
Inerayo has a few scratches.
The Temple of the Divine indoor 9 PM Alias:Off 1200 12 inside peace
Your punch EVISCERATES Inerayo!
Your punch MUTILATES Inerayo!
You parry Inerayo's punch.
You parry Inerayo's punch.
Inerayo has a few scratches.
The Temple of the Divine indoor 9 PM Alias:Off 1200 3 inside
You bring the room to peace.
The Temple of the Divine indoor 9 PM Alias:Off 1200 inside
c wrath iner
Inerayo yells 'Die, Baerinika, you sorcerous dog!'
Inerayo does not seem to be affected.
You parry Inerayo's punch.
Inerayo has a few scratches.
The Temple of the Divine indoor 9 PM Alias:Off 1200 12 inside
Your punch maims Inerayo!
Your punch EVISCERATES Inerayo!
Your punch misses Inerayo.
Your punch maims Inerayo!
Your punch maims Inerayo!
You parry Inerayo's punch.
Inerayo has some small but disgusting cuts.
The Temple of the Divine indoor 9 PM Alias:Off 1200 10 inside peace
You bring the room to peace.
Now, if you put this spell on a neutral, they will be more vulnerable to wrath damage as a damage type, but that doesn't mean they are turned evil in order for a paladin to co wrath on them. That would be silly.
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  RE: Today's PSA: You can't co wrath down a neutral guy....,
Rostrak (Anonymous),
09-Feb-13 04:35 PM, #16
  Hahaha,
Cenatar_,
09-Feb-13 05:53 PM, #19
RE: Today's PSA: You can't co wrath down a neutral guy....,
Hilamar (Anonymous),
09-Feb-13 03:12 PM, #14
RE: Today's PSA: You can't co wrath down a neutral guy....,
Daevryn,
09-Feb-13 03:17 PM, #15
RE: Today's PSA: You can't co wrath down a neutral guy....,
Hilamar (Anonymous),
09-Feb-13 04:54 PM, #17
RE: Today's PSA: You can't co wrath down a neutral guy....,
Daevryn,
09-Feb-13 09:24 PM, #21
I know I usually have crappy armor, but it seems I -nev...,
Quixotic,
09-Feb-13 05:08 PM, #18
RE: I know I usually have crappy armor, but it seems I ...,
Daevryn,
09-Feb-13 09:23 PM, #20
Curse and track are definitely different.,
Java,
11-Feb-13 06:32 PM, #22
Psa said ability does ruin a duergar,
Tolnum,
08-Feb-13 01:54 PM, #2
Oh no! You had a bad matchup,
Cenatar_,
08-Feb-13 02:02 PM, #3
This is pretty much right on,
Rayihn,
08-Feb-13 02:06 PM, #5
RE: This is pretty much right on,
Tolnum,
08-Feb-13 02:26 PM, #6
RE: This is pretty much right on,
Bofin (Anonymous),
08-Feb-13 03:05 PM, #8
Apples to oranges,
Tolnum,
08-Feb-13 03:09 PM, #9
RE: This is pretty much right on,
Isildur,
08-Feb-13 06:16 PM, #13
A good bit actually,
Tolnum,
08-Feb-13 02:32 PM, #7
Actually...,
Twist ,
08-Feb-13 03:39 PM, #10
RE: Actually...,
Tolnum,
08-Feb-13 03:49 PM, #11
Which bugs and code errors? n/t,
Homard,
08-Feb-13 02:06 PM, #4
RE: Psa said ability does ruin a duergar,
Isildur,
08-Feb-13 06:14 PM, #12
We need a Weekly PSA from Raybaer. (n/t),
orangepowered,
08-Feb-13 12:18 PM, #1
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#48912, "RE: Today's PSA: You can't co wrath down a neutral guy...."
In response to Reply #0
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I know why that it looked like Rostrak was wrathing a neutral.. but it was not Rostrak but a Weapon he was wielding.. and it was not wrath.. but another supplication like it..
If the Immortals would like to know which one it is and the specs about this situation i would be glad to fill in.
I find it funny there is so much talk about this from Bholur.. hands down he whooped Rostrak.. but I am not about to sit and do something dumb. The last time I fought him.. I lured him into a no exit room (kinda dumb for him to walk into it) and then had to recall twice out of it while I widdled him down.
The other two times I killed him if he would have stayed and fought he would have won.. but he ran around like a chicken with his head cut off.. so I just followed around and Wrathed him.. (I would have been stupid if I didn't)
Him sitting there cranialing me would have put me out.. but he would change tactics or miss and I would be able to heal and return..
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Cenatar_ | Sat 09-Feb-13 05:53 PM |
Member since 08th Jan 2006
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#48917, "Hahaha"
In response to Reply #16
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His whine seems so absurd now.
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#48907, "RE: Today's PSA: You can't co wrath down a neutral guy...."
In response to Reply #0
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Just curious, and might not be the place for this, but is there any "Save vs spell/power" chances in regards to this power? I'm not to big a fan of the power myself, but I'd think there should at least be a save chance against it.
And also a save chance for Insect Swarm on top of that!
I'm not sure if its just me or from past experience, but it seems like a lot of the abilities that are coming out lately just don't offer a chance to resist it, and you have to find away around it. Building a strong save suit of armor sacrifices in other areas, and would like to think that the cost/benifit of going that route is still there.
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Daevryn | Sat 09-Feb-13 03:17 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
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#48910, "RE: Today's PSA: You can't co wrath down a neutral guy...."
In response to Reply #14
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>Just curious, and might not be the place for this, but is
>there any "Save vs spell/power" chances in regards to this
>power?
Yes. You get a save and if you make it, nothing happens.
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#48913, "RE: Today's PSA: You can't co wrath down a neutral guy...."
In response to Reply #15
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Just curious, is there a point where more saves just becomes pointless? IE: Deminishing returns?
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Daevryn | Sat 09-Feb-13 09:24 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
11117 posts
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#48921, "RE: Today's PSA: You can't co wrath down a neutral guy...."
In response to Reply #17
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Yes, although if you're dealing with people with spellcraft or some other way to kick their casting level up it's hard (but not impossible) to hit the point of pointlessness, although diminishing returns is definitely a relevant thing.
Because INT/WIS are a factor in saves, you tend to have your saves as good as possible or close to it a lot more easily as a smart character than a dumb one.
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Quixotic | Sat 09-Feb-13 05:08 PM |
Member since 09th Feb 2006
837 posts
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#48915, "I know I usually have crappy armor, but it seems I -nev..."
In response to Reply #15
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Is there some kind of titanic modifier vs wrath? Oi!
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Daevryn | Sat 09-Feb-13 09:23 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
11117 posts
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#48920, "RE: I know I usually have crappy armor, but it seems I ..."
In response to Reply #18
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Nope, although there's two saves: one for damage/curse and a second one for track the wicked.
Or maybe it's one for damage and a second one for curse/track. I forget.
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Tolnum | Fri 08-Feb-13 01:54 PM |
Member since 08th Dec 2012
44 posts
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#48874, "Psa said ability does ruin a duergar"
In response to Reply #0
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And I can post the logs too.
Why you guys spend time coding a ton of special abilities that only a handful of players get rather than fixing the glaring bugs and code errors we are all affected by is beyond me.
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Cenatar_ | Fri 08-Feb-13 02:02 PM |
Member since 08th Jan 2006
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#48875, "Oh no! You had a bad matchup"
In response to Reply #2
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I did not know your character but from what you said you were a 1400hp 80 damroll duergar berserker?
How much chance did a thief/assassin have against you one vs one?
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Rayihn | Fri 08-Feb-13 02:06 PM |
Member since 08th Oct 2006
1147 posts
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#48877, "This is pretty much right on"
In response to Reply #3
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There's always something in the CF food chain that you won't stand up well against. There are things that kill this Paladin, Bholur just happened to not be one of them.
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Tolnum | Fri 08-Feb-13 02:26 PM |
Member since 08th Dec 2012
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#48878, "RE: This is pretty much right on"
In response to Reply #5
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>There's always something in the CF food chain that you won't
>stand up well against. There are things that kill this
>Paladin, Bholur just happened to not be one of them.
It was already a bad stack combo wise prior to the character getting a skill/sup that is only imm-given.
Only given out by staff. By definition its a special power that further imbalances what was already a bad matchup.
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#48880, "RE: This is pretty much right on"
In response to Reply #6
Edited on Fri 08-Feb-13 03:05 PM
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"Only given out by staff. By definition its a special power that further imbalances what was already a bad matchup."
So, maybe in the fact that the skill is called "Divine Malison" this is true, however Phoenix brand, a Maran power does the EXACT same thing, and is in fact, not IMM given.
The fact that you are complaining so very hard about Rostrak killing you, actually makes me feel better about the _FACT_ that you did more than 600HP damage in a SINGLE round to me with 2 deathblows that are nothing more than RNG luck, the only command you typed was 'call bloodthirst' and I happened to walk into you and pow 600hp gone without you entering a command (yes I was in form with aura/stoneskin/shield).
From my point of view, you are (were) OP
From your point of view, Rostrak was OP
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Tolnum | Fri 08-Feb-13 03:09 PM |
Member since 08th Dec 2012
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#48881, "Apples to oranges"
In response to Reply #8
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Maran orb and village head can be taken. Anyways this is a dumb argument. I disagree with special rewards the staff doesnt. They are gonna win the argument but I still get to voice my thoughts. Ive done that and therefore Im out of the argument. Ive said my piece.
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Tolnum | Fri 08-Feb-13 02:32 PM |
Member since 08th Dec 2012
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#48879, "A good bit actually"
In response to Reply #3
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Ask Spiorra who stood toe to toe solo and did well.
A better analogy would have been "would thief/assassin players get pissed if Bholur had a power that made you double your vuln."
That said Rostrak wasnt why I deleted but it is an example of immortals handing out rewards which further skew already bad matchups.
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Twist | Fri 08-Feb-13 03:39 PM |
Member since 23rd Sep 2006
3431 posts
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#48883, "Actually..."
In response to Reply #7
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>That said Rostrak wasnt why I deleted but it is an example of
>immortals handing out rewards which further skew already bad
>matchups.
When the reward was given out, divine malison would have had no effect on you whatsoever, because you were already vuln_wrath. The damage code changes, however, made it possible for you to be more vulnerable than you already were.
I do not believe the Imm in question knew that this would occur (the damage changes in general, that is). At the time, though, basically what was given to Rostrak was probably not a huge reward. A very good one, yes (especially when combined with a holy damage weapon), but not as good as it became (especially against a duergar) with the damage changes.
Just something to think about.
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Tolnum | Fri 08-Feb-13 03:49 PM |
Member since 08th Dec 2012
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#48885, "RE: Actually..."
In response to Reply #10
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Good and valid point I hadnt considered.
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Homard | Fri 08-Feb-13 02:06 PM |
Member since 10th Apr 2010
959 posts
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#48876, "Which bugs and code errors? n/t"
In response to Reply #2
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orangepowered | Fri 08-Feb-13 12:18 PM |
Member since 29th Jun 2011
348 posts
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#48872, "We need a Weekly PSA from Raybaer. (n/t)"
In response to Reply #0
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