RE: How much would it cost me to buy CF?,
Umiron,
21-Apr-16 08:55 PM, #7
From a legal perspective though,
Kstatida,
22-Apr-16 04:29 AM, #10
RE: From a legal perspective though,
Umiron,
22-Apr-16 06:20 AM, #11
I'm semi-trolling,
Kstatida,
22-Apr-16 07:44 AM, #12
I imagine if you had a billion dollars to spend on it, ...,
Destuvius,
20-Apr-16 01:57 PM, #1
RE: I imagine if you had a billion dollars to spend on ...,
Bubthegreat,
21-Apr-16 03:10 AM, #2
On a serious note then,
Destuvius,
21-Apr-16 05:19 AM, #3
That's just a bad investment.,
Bubthegreat,
21-Apr-16 06:49 AM, #4
RE: That's just a bad investment.,
Destuvius,
21-Apr-16 08:20 AM, #5
Well this is mature,
Kstatida,
21-Apr-16 11:14 AM, #6
RE: That's just a bad investment.,
Bubthegreat,
22-Apr-16 02:24 AM, #8
As far as I can see,
Kstatida,
22-Apr-16 04:20 AM, #9
You're starting assumption is wrong.,
Jormyr,
23-Apr-16 12:24 PM, #13
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Umiron | Thu 21-Apr-16 08:55 PM |
Member since 29th May 2017
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#794, "RE: How much would it cost me to buy CF?"
In response to Reply #0
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For me to give you a dollar figure would be silly since CF isn't mine to sell. If Scarabaeus (our current "main guy"), Matt Hamby, or the collective IMPs want to entertain a figure then that's their prerogative.
Putting a price on CF is tricky because it's not just a function of how much revenue and profit it generates and what sale price makes walking away from that a good business decision. You're asking people (or a person, maybe, I don't know) to put a price tag on something that a handful of people have worked really hard on for a very long time, and subsequently to give control of that thing to someone who may not treat it with respect or care, forever. Folks should consider that.
Of course, if you have a non-trivial amount of money to do something like that and you have the desire to invest your own time into maintaining a game, you already have the resources to hire very talented people to create your vision for you, or even just rip us off if that's what you want.
Lastly, on top of the fact that selling CF would probably be against the wishes of almost all of the dozens of people who have put real, serious, not-armchair-game-running effort into the game, there's also the ethical issue surrounding the legality. The DikuMUD license prohibits anyone (us, you, anyone) from profiting from DikuMUD or a derivative work. We've always taken the DikuMUD (and Merc/ROM) license seriously and I would hope that we always will.
I just don't see it happening, sorry. But seriously, if trading money for not having to do all the work yourself is the proposition that interests you most, there are literally thousands of freelance programmers and writers out there who would be more than happy to make you the game you want. If that vision amounts to CF without all the #### Umiron/Valg/Obama ruined then that's what you'll have and if it steals all our players then that will be that, I guess.
Good luck. Running a MUD is a satisfying, agonizing, thankless, rewarding, fun, boring, ####ty, awesome experience. You build the game you want to build and play the game you want to play and we'll do the same. But if all this amounts to is coveting thy neighbors MUD then you're probably out of luck because I don't imagine CF will ever be for sale, or so I hope.
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Kstatida | Fri 22-Apr-16 04:29 AM |
Member since 12th Feb 2015
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#797, "From a legal perspective though"
In response to Reply #7
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Selling LLC shares would in no way result in violation of Diku license (in civil law systems, that is).
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Umiron | Fri 22-Apr-16 06:20 AM |
Member since 29th May 2017
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#798, "RE: From a legal perspective though"
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>Selling LLC shares would in no way result in violation of >Diku license (in civil law systems, that is).
I don't know if that's true or not, but it's certainly not the view of the greater MUD (development) community.
Either way, we don't care. Even if building a MUD on top of Diku and then selling it for a profit isn't an enforceable violation of the license, we know it would be against the wishes of the people who wrote the license and that's enough for us. We're not looking for loopholes, or to make money, for that matter. If we were, some or all of us would have taken our talents elsewhere years ago and done something commercial.
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Kstatida | Fri 22-Apr-16 07:44 AM |
Member since 12th Feb 2015
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#799, "I'm semi-trolling"
In response to Reply #11
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I get staff POV perfectly.
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Destuvius | Wed 20-Apr-16 01:57 PM |
Member since 08th Oct 2013
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#788, "I imagine if you had a billion dollars to spend on it, ..."
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Kstatida | Thu 21-Apr-16 11:14 AM |
Member since 12th Feb 2015
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#793, "Well this is mature"
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So many people forget that staff are actually the players who wanted to make the game better and had patience/resolve to pass immquest, not some invaders from Mars.
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Kstatida | Fri 22-Apr-16 04:20 AM |
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#796, "As far as I can see"
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there was nothing like "excluded from that possibility". Ppl advised you to have more quality characters. It's not that hard, especially if you enjoy the game, is it not?
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Jormyr | Sat 23-Apr-16 12:24 PM |
Member since 31st Dec 2014
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#800, "You're starting assumption is wrong."
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You could probably ask any Immortal, current or past if they ever wanted to have someone "take CF of their hands", and I can almost guarantee their going to give you a giant WTF look. No-one that Immorts does so without a passion and love of CF that we're obviously willing to devote time, effort, ex-girlfriends, and broken keyboards towards.
Secondly, you've made it very clear that you're disenchanted with the current staff, so you're more or less approaching it as "How much do I need to pay you for you all to walk away from CF." There's a reason hostile takeovers are called hostile. Is there a value I would put on my time? Is it right for me to accept money for the effort so many others have put in before me? Personally, I don't know that I could ever put a number on that question. It's like asking someone how much they'd sell their dead grandma's favorite rocking chair for - there isn't a value, and people may take the question itself a little offensively.
Generally, I think people can assume CF isn't (and probably won't ever be) for sale.
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