I'll roll up a battlerager follower of Twist and you can be a Nexus follower of Lyristeon!

This was actually my orginal concept for Medferdan, but then the last god of magic deleted so I shelved the idea. Then Twist came back, and I thought it was time to have my second follower of Twist but you guys ruined it!

Next summer "The Family Entourage" will be doing the No Dak tour so all you guys need to ready for an invasion!

Cool, you will have to come up to Pisek, I'll even take some time off of work! Oh yeah, get some pics of Twist Inc. on your way up!

Personally, I don't think the Lyristeon follower example would be plausible. I just can't see a char RP'ing nuetral ethos while worshipping chaos. It might be viable at the beginning, but eventually the char would slide to chaos. I'm not sure what Nexus would do then, let the char stay since he was nuetral when inducted or give him the boot?

I originally was going to put a Shokite Nexan, but figured I would use some current events.

P.S. If you see a Twistite Rager or Lyristeonite Nexan, I can guarantee neither is me.

>Personally, I don't think the Lyristeon follower example
>would be plausible. I just can't see a char RP'ing nuetral
>ethos while worshipping chaos. It might be viable at the
>beginning, but eventually the char would slide to chaos. I'm
>not sure what Nexus would do then, let the char stay since he
>was nuetral when inducted or give him the boot?


Note that I did not say that this role would be a powerful one, nor did I suggest that they would remain in Nexus.

I could see valid roles of both. The Nexite Lyristeon guy would actually be tougher to roleplay, though I think the ragertwistie would have a harder time getting inducted.

One interesting thing in the ragertwistie would be when basic rager philosophy was discussed. It in fact would (finally?) but a fine point on the eternal debate: is magic itself bad, or is magic in the hands of mortals bad? Ragers routinely claim that magic in the hands of mortals is bad, but that gods can use magic and are not a problem. If that's true, then really there's no reason not to embrace Twist as a magic user. True, there still would be the problem that Twist as a god encourages mortals to use magic, which would be against rager philosophy, but he himself would be fine.

I have always been interested in and paid attention to interviews and imm/mort discussions in the cabal, to see where people stand, or what they advocate. The more recent cabal philosophy, say the last two or three years, has been a more self-sufficiency credo, which to me would invalidate the argument that magic is ok for anyone at all, gods included. If you should stand on your own feet, and not use magic as a crutch so to speak, then why does it matter if you're a god? Gods have power to do whatever they want without magic, and so their use of it is mere convenience or contrivance.

On the other hand, the argument also goes that the reason it's ok for gods to use it but not mortals is that mortals are not wise enough, and gods are, so for mortals to make a determination whether gods should use it or not would be inappropriate.

In any event, a ragertwistie is something I used to contemplate way back in the day, but you left and so it remained entirely hypothetical. Good luck to whoever breaks that barrier.

Some take could be: Magic is holy to you, so you consider mortals using it as a sacriledge, because only immortal hands are worthy of wielding such a sacred thing. Or you could believe that magic should be free and untamed, and that those who wield it are slavers to be killed. Thus, you defend magic by killing those who try to enslave it and use it.

He's gotten the holy blessing to go ahead and use magic so to speak.

>If you should stand on your own feet, and not use magic as a
>crutch so to speak, then why does it matter if you're a god?
>Gods have power to do whatever they want without magic, and so
>their use of it is mere convenience or contrivance.

The way I always looked at it (and granted, now that I think about it I'm not 100% sure this holds up consistently with other things I assume) was that magic was how anything "supernatural" got done in Thera, including a bunch of things that mages don't, as a matter of course, do, such as healing.

Priests don't cast spells, but they wield the power of magic by proxy -- communing being their mechanism to ask their god to cast a spell for them, essentially. Because the mortal vessel isn't perfect, or perfectly in tune with the will of their god, the power comes out somewhat less strongly than it would if Shokai was personally there magicking wrath on evilguy. Theoretically, the god would have the larger worldview / wisdom to not grant any prayers for something that would unmake Thera or otherwise be especially perverse.

Mages, through spellcasting, also wield the power of magic but without the check/filter of divine oversight.