Glad to have met the character,
Yllonis (Anonymous),
21-Nov-14 08:28 PM, #26
RE: (DELETED) [FORTRESS] Cabaq Freeman the Claw of the ...,
Keara (Anonymous),
12-Nov-14 06:54 PM, #25
RE: (DELETED) [FORTRESS] Cabaq Freeman the Claw of the ...,
Tam (Anonymous),
07-Nov-14 02:18 PM, #14
Obviously I thought you are an evil shifter.,
A lowbie neutral/chaotic applicant assassin (Anonymous),
07-Nov-14 05:46 AM, #1
RE: Obviously I thought you are an evil shifter.,
Daevryn,
07-Nov-14 08:24 AM, #2
How do you justify a full loot as a goodie?,
TJHuron,
07-Nov-14 11:43 AM, #3
Cognitive Dissonance (n/t),
N b M,
07-Nov-14 01:03 PM, #4
I suppose I'll bite here...,
Destuvius,
07-Nov-14 01:07 PM, #5
Let's see.,
The assassin. (Anonymous),
07-Nov-14 01:39 PM, #7
RE: Let's see.,
Destuvius,
07-Nov-14 01:46 PM, #8
Either you didn't follow correctly or ..,
The assassin. (Anonymous),
07-Nov-14 02:07 PM, #10
I think that:,
Sarien,
07-Nov-14 02:16 PM, #21
Full loot vs. loot,
The assassin. (Anonymous),
07-Nov-14 02:33 PM, #15
Loot Rules,
mackle,
10-Nov-14 01:54 AM, #22
Yeah I saw the log and it got me fired up,
TJHuron,
07-Nov-14 02:54 PM, #16
Not defending Full Looting,
Destuvius,
07-Nov-14 03:14 PM, #17
Yeah I agree that distinction makes a difference,
TJHuron,
07-Nov-14 03:35 PM, #18
Well said,
incognito,
07-Nov-14 05:09 PM, #20
You booted me from nexus for a perceived full-loot. nt,
Amander (Anonymous),
07-Nov-14 04:24 PM, #19
Lets see if I can explain this in detail for you.,
Zephon,
07-Nov-14 01:09 PM, #6
Partially true:,
The assassin. (Anonymous),
07-Nov-14 02:11 PM, #11
The point is that the assassin was not evil.,
The assassin. (Anonymous),
07-Nov-14 01:49 PM, #9
This is what I don't get.,
Cleauseau,
07-Nov-14 02:16 PM, #12
Rager.,
The assassin. (Anonymous),
07-Nov-14 02:17 PM, #13
RE: Obviously I thought you are an evil shifter.,
Hutto,
10-Nov-14 07:31 AM, #23
Lol, that's just brilliant,
Murphy,
10-Nov-14 09:50 AM, #24
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#122438, "Glad to have met the character"
In response to Reply #0
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Figured I would give you a shout out as well. I liked what I saw from Cabaq and it gave Yllonis alot of perspective on my religion and how to be a Scribe. I wish we would have gotten the chance to debate more on dogma and what not. GLWYN
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#122400, "RE: (DELETED) [FORTRESS] Cabaq Freeman the Claw of the ..."
In response to Reply #0
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I thought Cabaq was a great character, and I really enjoyed all of our interactions, limited though they were. I don't know that I have saw the Blaguar in action once you got it, but from what I saw, if there was a goodie shifter deserving, it was you.
RP was good, killing was good. Best of luck with the next, whatever you're choose to play!
K
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#122372, "RE: (DELETED) [FORTRESS] Cabaq Freeman the Claw of the ..."
In response to Reply #0
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You looked me up once and showed me a place for something I had not known, but probably should have. I couldn't quite justify a close relationship with Orderly Fortress so I lost out on the opportunity to interact more. Good luck on your next.
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#122357, "Obviously I thought you are an evil shifter."
In response to Reply #0
Edited on Fri 07-Nov-14 05:46 AM
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I attacked you in the sanctum and gave you the upper hand of the magic there, and you full looted (FULL) me. I didn't care at all and thought you are an evil shifter. But when I saw you as an initiate of a jaguar... The jaguar should look more closely. Now that you are gone, I will post the log on the other forum.
Edited: It was my only interaction with the char, so I never was a fan.
GLWYN
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Daevryn | Fri 07-Nov-14 08:24 AM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
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#122358, "RE: Obviously I thought you are an evil shifter."
In response to Reply #1
Edited on Fri 07-Nov-14 08:24 AM
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I don't know enough about this character to have an opinion on them one way or another, but what does alignment have to do with looting someone who tried to murder you?
Edit: Alignment or Baer-ness would be a better question. I don't think either is relevant.
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TJHuron | Fri 07-Nov-14 11:43 AM |
Member since 28th Nov 2007
1132 posts
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#122360, "How do you justify a full loot as a goodie?"
In response to Reply #2
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I can't really see how. He was clearly being an asshole. The player bleeds through. Evil plays a goodie.
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N b M | Fri 07-Nov-14 01:03 PM |
Member since 29th Sep 2005
444 posts
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#122361, "Cognitive Dissonance (n/t)"
In response to Reply #3
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#122364, "Let's see."
In response to Reply #5
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To be honest, I didn't like to be full looted, and try to avoid looting myself. But I don't mind a lot, if an evil loots or if an evil full loots.
Regarding the case, I was sad to see later that the shifter is a LIGHT walker. Remember that the assassin was not evil.
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#122367, "Either you didn't follow correctly or .."
In response to Reply #8
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I didn't say it in a right way.
Yes. I attacked Cabal and he killed me and full looted. It tasted not well (does it ever tastes well?) to get the full loot, but as always I said to myself "OK. he just caused me wasting half an hour wasting time to gather all that again, but well.. I don't know why he has done it, most likely should fit his RP"
What I think about Cabal now is: next time act carefully and be more prepared, and expect a probable full loot, so don't get sad if it ended that way again.
Later I see the char is one of the light. Does it make him uber lame? not just one single encounter, and that's why I kept this till the char's death.
Why do I talk about it now? But I never can understand how a good RP can result in full-looting a blank-past neutral assassin. I am talking about it so the player can do it better next time, or others tell me that it's totally acceptable in their eyes, and I change my expectations from good RP.
And I absolutely deny accepting what you said about 0 wrong in RP and such, for the good aligned chars. Again, it is not constructive for the game if evils full loot, but it's not bad RP. it is not constructive for the game if goods full loot, and it's bad RP in the very case we talk about.
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Sarien | Fri 07-Nov-14 07:10 PM |
Member since 14th Feb 2009
740 posts
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#122369, "I think that:"
In response to Reply #10
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Looting has nothing to do with RP.
The "RP" things I see in your interaction with Cabaq are.
Neutral Assassin attacks Good Mage(Fine RP wise) Good Mage forces Neutral Assassin to flee, then decides to finish him off (Fine RP wise)
That is the end of the RP, Looting is irrelevant
The ONLY thing that could have been BAD rp, is if good mage attacks neutral assassin without reason/warning/whatever. But, Neutral assassin attacking first gives good mage the "RP reason" to follow/kill/loot/whatever
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#122373, "Full loot vs. loot"
In response to Reply #21
Edited on Fri 07-Nov-14 02:33 PM
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Looting is not wrong at all. Just direct consequence of PK-win. Full-looting when you have no real reason (weakening enemy, getting your items back, ...) is another story, and should have the prerequisite independent RP reasons.
Edit: I didn't intend to hijack the thread. I won't post anymore.
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mackle | Mon 10-Nov-14 01:54 AM |
Member since 08th Mar 2014
237 posts
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#122387, "Loot Rules"
In response to Reply #8
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Here are the unofficial sac loot rules.
1) Don't sac loot because of your roleplay reasons, it's lame. An exception might be ragers, they should sac visible wands/pots (but no need to dig them out of the girdle). 2) Don't sac loot because you don't like their characters roleplay. 3) Especially don't sac loot if the person showed guts taking you on. 4) Especially don't sac loot if you ganged them. 5) Do sac loot if the person has been harassing you. 6) Do sac loot if the person has been abusive to you. 7) Do sac loot if they already done that to you.
Sac looting is like telling your opponent, I am lucky i got you and now I will destroy your stuff otherwise next time you likely will kill me. So the opposite is like, have your stuff, you are no match for me.
In the case of Cabaq, a shifter with no form, these classes are always getting bashed by warriors and orcs at low level. I found the log impressive, lowbie mage revenge. Then it was a bit of a downer to see he sac'ed his gear. If you suspect a re-attack on unghosting, then partial sac weapons a few pieces of armor. It is so lame to destroy someones food and drink!!
I was responsible for charm person spell being removed from the game because of its abuse with, charm, gate, order all drop all, sac 1. sac 1. sac 1.. So as a reformed more mature player I know a thing or two about being a di(k from both sides of the equation.
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TJHuron | Fri 07-Nov-14 02:54 PM |
Member since 28th Nov 2007
1132 posts
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#122375, "Yeah I saw the log and it got me fired up"
In response to Reply #5
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Disagree with me if you want. I don't care. Full looting someone for no reason is a despicable thing to do. You are purposely going out of your way to ruin someone's day in pastime we are all here to enjoy. I personally have zero respect for that kind of pathetic ####. Doesn't matter the alignment. I know it exists and is probably warranted as retaliation in some instances but I think it's excessive and plain mean. Take a few things and be done. Isn't the fact you just killed them enough? Or are you suck a #### you need to twist the knife more?
It did get me thinking because that act is so deplorable in my opinion how you'd justify it as a goodie. Which is why I asked the question.
If you think it's justifiable then we don't see eye to eye. Are you defending full looting?
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TJHuron | Fri 07-Nov-14 03:35 PM |
Member since 28th Nov 2007
1132 posts
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#122377, "Yeah I agree that distinction makes a difference"
In response to Reply #17
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And I also don't blame you for not punishing those you see doing it. For better or worse, it exists as part of the game.
We're a community, a shrinking one at that, of people who enjoy playing the same obscure text mud. Why not have a little respect for each other?
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incognito | Fri 07-Nov-14 05:09 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
4495 posts
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#122381, "Well said"
In response to Reply #18
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This behaviour does not help player numbers. At the very least there's effectively one less player while he regears , more if he takes time to cool off, and more still if he quits. There's no real need for full saccing either.
That said I don't buy the "attacked in there to give the advantage". A skilful assassin should catch him pants down anyway, or at least have moves to escape.
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#122378, "You booted me from nexus for a perceived full-loot. nt"
In response to Reply #17
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Zephon | Fri 07-Nov-14 01:09 PM |
Member since 21st Mar 2007
488 posts
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#122363, "Lets see if I can explain this in detail for you."
In response to Reply #3
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It is fully within the capacity of a goodie to full loot/full sac. Especially when you are talking about someone who tried to kill you. Destroying an evil person's gear is actually a valid RP standpoint, you do not want them to be at full power. The difference is this game has an idea of sportsmanship which seems to go beyond RP sometimes. There is a fine line between fulling for RP/revenge reasons and full sacking because you want to ruin someone else's fun. I personally wouldn't do it often but I might if someone really pisses me off. If it happens to me, I try to take it on the chin. Then calmly plot a way to get ahead. There is nothing more satisfying than killing the person who fulled you.
Anyway, hate to high-jack a death thread. But don't assume "He was clearly being an asshole." Not that I can vouch for the player, looks like it was claimed on Dios, but I like to give the benefit of the doubt.
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#122368, "Partially true:"
In response to Reply #6
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>>>>>> Destroying an evil person's gear is actually a valid RP standpoint, >>>>>> you do not want them to be at full power. That's not the case here. If it was, I had nothing to say.
Anyway, I don't call a player/char and a*****e just based on one encounter, and I didn't have any more interactions. I was trying to make it a constructive post. Seems that it's turned to something else.
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#122366, "The point is that the assassin was not evil."
In response to Reply #2
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I did prepare a long answer, but then decided against to post it. Either others think same as me and defend, or they won't and I learn that not many share my viewpoint.
Just some clarifications here:
1. assassin was not evil. 2. I am talking about good-char-RP. I don't see good and evil like team red and blue, but as real good vs evil! 3. I didn't question Baer at all. I questioned alignment. I named Baer because she was the specific Imm, but it was meant for all the other Imms too. It's obvious that they might have not see it and the char might have not done so many bad-RP (in my definition), which are all understandable. 4. I think I should not have said that the jaguar should pay more attention, because I have not seen much more bad-RP from the char myself (I didn't have anymore interaction at all). The last sentence just caused misinterpretation in what I was saying.
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Cleauseau | Fri 07-Nov-14 02:16 PM |
Member since 22nd Feb 2014
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#122370, "This is what I don't get."
In response to Reply #9
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You weren't evil because you typed neutral neutral at creation? What was the provocation that caused you to attack him? Balance, rager and he was a mage? Or just because? It makes a big difference to me in game.
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#122371, "Rager."
In response to Reply #12
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I was trying to join the village.
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Murphy | Mon 10-Nov-14 09:50 AM |
Member since 30th Dec 2010
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#122389, "Lol, that's just brilliant"
In response to Reply #23
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This mental image is going to haunt me for a long time.
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