Valguarnera![](./images/team_imm.gif) | Wed 22-Aug-07 02:55 PM |
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#1387, "RE: Observables"
Edited on Wed 22-Aug-07 02:57 PM
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That's a pretty huge "but" to the theory of evolution, one that should be acknowledged. This caveat, mind you, is already acknowledged in terms of Newton's laws, Moore's law, etc, yet you're unwilling to concede it regarding evolution, which is much more of a stab in the dark than those.
1) I've already stated that no theory (in science or mathematics) is ever proven to the ridiculous degree of absolute certainty you're insisting upon. One can only disprove theories.
2) Newtonian physics is known to be incorrect. It is a useful guideline for objects of masses and velocities similar to those found in our daily lives, however. But unlike Darwinian evolution, it is known to be inaccurate.
3) "Moore's law" is a rough empirical observation of past events. It is already known to be flawed-- it is unlikely to remain even approximately true for very long, because information densities will eventually pass limits imposed by quantum mechanics. It's not even in the league of Newtonian physics.
4) Darwinian evolution has never been challenged like either of the two examples. There is not a lick of evidence that it is false. It has been demonstrably more accurate in practice, and your insistance to the contrary simply reveals ignorance of the burden of proof.
Essentially, any claim that Darwinian evolution is incorrect is equivalent to saying that the Earth is flat, or that the Moon is made of green cheese, or that the oceans have run out of water. Are we absolutely positively 100.000...% sure that those observations are incorrect? Not in the exaggerated sense you're projecting. Is is worth having a discussion about whether or not the moon is made of green cheese?
valguarnera@carrionfields.com
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About evolution
[View all] , Nightgaunt_, Mon 20-Aug-07 09:43 AM
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Final thoughts.,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:25 AM, #72
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Final thoughts.,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 12:30 PM, #76
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Final thoughts.,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 01:00 PM, #78
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
22-Aug-07 01:16 PM, #79
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 01:22 PM, #80
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Tac,
22-Aug-07 01:37 PM, #83
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Valguarnera ,
22-Aug-07 03:06 PM, #86
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 09:51 PM, #90
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Actually,
Nightgaunt_,
23-Aug-07 01:49 AM, #93
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Actually,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 08:17 AM, #99
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Actually,
Nightgaunt_,
23-Aug-07 09:42 AM, #104
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Valguarnera ,
23-Aug-07 07:25 AM, #95
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 09:44 PM, #89
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Nightgaunt_,
23-Aug-07 09:50 AM, #105
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
22-Aug-07 03:16 PM, #87
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 09:40 PM, #88
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
22-Aug-07 11:04 PM, #92
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 08:01 AM, #97
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
23-Aug-07 08:11 AM, #98
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 08:25 AM, #100
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
23-Aug-07 08:52 AM, #101
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) If you read something you believe to be true,
Leprechaun,
23-Aug-07 09:11 AM, #102
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Book Larnin,
Valguarnera ,
23-Aug-07 09:12 AM, #103
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Book Larnin,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 01:18 PM, #106
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Book Larnin,
Valguarnera ,
23-Aug-07 02:03 PM, #107
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Book Larnin,
Eskelian,
03-Sep-07 03:09 PM, #112
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Water is wet ...,
Leprechaun,
23-Aug-07 03:18 AM, #94
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Final thoughts.,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 01:23 PM, #81
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Final thoughts.,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 01:32 PM, #82
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Final thoughts.,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 01:48 PM, #84
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) The problematic of the issue,
DurNominator,
26-Aug-07 10:18 PM, #108
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I feel that this is on topic,
DurNominator,
12-Sep-07 04:10 PM, #117
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Tac,
20-Aug-07 04:52 PM, #9
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Daevryn,
20-Aug-07 10:02 PM, #13
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 08:47 AM, #18
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 09:02 AM, #21
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:06 AM, #23
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) And the bottom line...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:16 AM, #25
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: And the bottom line...,
Valguarnera ,
21-Aug-07 12:31 PM, #44
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: And the bottom line...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:37 PM, #47
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Silly?,
GinGa,
22-Aug-07 08:47 AM, #73
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Sorta side-track, but ...,
Leprechaun,
21-Aug-07 10:10 AM, #29
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Daevryn,
21-Aug-07 09:38 AM, #28
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Isildur,
20-Aug-07 11:25 AM, #4
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
20-Aug-07 01:29 PM, #6
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Isildur,
20-Aug-07 05:11 PM, #10
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 08:54 AM, #20
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Isildur,
21-Aug-07 11:03 AM, #38
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 11:53 AM, #40
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:31 PM, #43
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 12:33 PM, #45
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:38 PM, #48
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Seriously?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 12:50 PM, #53
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Seriously?,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 01:12 PM, #56
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Seriously?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 02:09 PM, #58
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Seriously?,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:49 AM, #74
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Isildur,
21-Aug-07 03:26 PM, #61
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Yes, very much so,
Leprechaun,
20-Aug-07 10:11 AM, #2
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Mutation rates,
Valguarnera ,
20-Aug-07 10:43 AM, #3
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Hey cool, thanks for the info nt,
Leprechaun,
20-Aug-07 12:10 PM, #5
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) On the subject of mutation: Cancer,
Leprechaun,
21-Aug-07 06:54 AM, #15
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: On the subject of mutation: Cancer,
Valguarnera ,
21-Aug-07 12:40 PM, #49
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) A small addition,
GinGa,
22-Aug-07 10:12 AM, #75
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Valguarnera ,
20-Aug-07 10:02 AM, #1
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
20-Aug-07 03:49 PM, #7
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
20-Aug-07 04:10 PM, #8
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 08:43 AM, #17
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Irreducible complexity,
Valguarnera ,
20-Aug-07 08:50 PM, #11
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Irreducible complexity,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 08:37 AM, #16
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) About random,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 08:52 AM, #19
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About random,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:20 AM, #24
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About random,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 09:22 AM, #26
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About random,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:29 AM, #27
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About random,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 09:45 AM, #30
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Daevryn,
20-Aug-07 09:49 PM, #12
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be incor...,
Leprechaun,
21-Aug-07 05:19 AM, #14
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:03 AM, #22
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera ,
21-Aug-07 09:50 AM, #31
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 10:26 AM, #32
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 10:18 AM, #33
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 10:29 AM, #34
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 10:39 AM, #36
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 10:47 AM, #37
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera ,
21-Aug-07 12:22 PM, #42
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:35 PM, #46
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera ,
21-Aug-07 12:41 PM, #50
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:44 PM, #51
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera ,
21-Aug-07 12:47 PM, #52
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:51 PM, #54
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Solipsism:,
Valguarnera ,
21-Aug-07 02:13 PM, #59
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Solipsism:,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 05:02 PM, #63
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Solipsism:,
Valguarnera ,
22-Aug-07 07:43 AM, #68
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Daevryn,
21-Aug-07 01:10 PM, #55
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 01:34 PM, #57
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 02:14 PM, #60
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 04:57 PM, #62
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 04:22 AM, #65
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Observables,
Valguarnera ,
22-Aug-07 07:35 AM, #67
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:06 AM, #70
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Observables,
Valguarnera ,
22-Aug-07 08:14 AM, #71
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 12:49 PM, #77
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Observables,
Valguarnera ,
22-Aug-07 02:57 PM #85
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 10:27 PM, #91
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Observables,
Valguarnera ,
23-Aug-07 07:24 AM, #96
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Observables,
DurNominator,
27-Aug-07 12:33 AM, #110
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
27-Aug-07 10:32 AM, #111
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Then don't,
DurNominator,
03-Sep-07 03:42 PM, #113
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Then don't,
Eskelian,
03-Sep-07 10:10 PM, #114
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Re: Trolling,
Daevryn,
03-Sep-07 10:41 PM, #115
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Re: Trolling,
Tac,
04-Sep-07 08:34 AM, #116
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Re: Trolling,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-07 10:14 PM, #118
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Observables,
DurNominator,
26-Aug-07 11:46 PM, #109
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:00 AM, #69
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Sure but txt,
Larcat,
21-Aug-07 10:39 AM, #35
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Sure but txt,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 11:50 AM, #39
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Sure but txt,
Valguarnera ,
21-Aug-07 12:03 PM, #41
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: About evolution,
Straklaw,
22-Aug-07 03:33 AM, #64
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Mathematics,
Valguarnera ,
22-Aug-07 07:23 AM, #66
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