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KarithiaTue 22-Jul-03 06:23 PM
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#19599, "RE: Hrm, perhaps patience might pay off for me..."


          

>>>I'm currently at work, so I don't have access to my logs. However, I do not believe that this was the impression I was given through my interviews with both Gherian and Synbendorial, though without rereading the logs I cannot be certain. Rest assured, when I get home, I will bring them here and we can debate what emphasis was placed on maintaining a state of "goodness." Also...the significance of the debate wasn't full looting, but more or less placed the WARLOCK cabal in juxtaposition with MARAN, and their striking similarities and few differences. The question I have is this...<<<

First, leaders aren't always right about everything, as well as Imms. No, the debate was full looting and your personal feelings. If you expected me to set there and define how a Warlock should be fully acting you shouldn't have deleted and instead took time to write a note and address what you really wanted to talk about. From my view point, you prayed to me to whine about how someone full looted one of our enemies despite your request. This may not have been what you originally intended, but that is how it came across to me. Communication is very diffucult sometimes when you are limited to soley text.


>>>Shokai promotes his cabal on the idea that you do not give in to wounded pride or hate/vengeance, but act according to the need to absolve evil. Further, you do not enjoy it, but do it from a sense of duty. One line that amazed me was player X stipulating that she was angry, so she didn't care that her actions were less than honorable. In fact, that way I see it, they completely broke the bounds of the 'good' RP, and extend even beyond the line of neutrality, into evil. One evil act makes you an evil person. it is up to you to redeem yourself, after the fact. You cannot ignore it, as it sits like a giant blemish on an otherwise immaculate record. So where do you draw the line between an expressed concept of goodness (ie MARAN) and elsewhere claim it to be something else totally(WARLOCK)? It just seems so paradoxical and/or hypocritical, depending on the stance you take.<<<

Yes, and Shokai has a group called the Marans. The Warlocks aren't them so what he promotes his cabal idea should not always be put up there for comparassion. Its like comparing an orange and an apple. They aren't the same.

And where you failed in your goodly actions is the fact your character got pissed. I wasn't there to witness the actual action, but the way you and X were acting, it is obvious you were angry as well. Perhaps if you wanted to do "good" you should have calmed down and used reason. You simply wanted to play witch hunt. That wasn't going to happen.

One evil act doesn't make someone evil, and even if it did, redemation is almost never immediate, but further down the road. If I had to monitor people for everything thing they did that was a minor evil, there would be no Warlocks, and I bet there would be no Marans. There is no such thing as perfect when you talk about a person. Instead of coming to me, perhaps you should have tried to help X to his/her redemaption, or perhaps, even, speak of that first. No, you got pissed and deleted. This is my last post on the subject, because there is no point as things will probably go on and on and I don't feel like having to defend myself.

If you want something to happen, then make it happen. Everything has a result, not always favorable. You have to take the good with the bad and it seemed you didn't want to do that to me. So I leave it at that.

Karithia

  

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HOT Topic(DELETED) [WARLOCK] Seflirn the Grand Master of Changel... [View all] , Death_Angel, Sat 26-Jul-03 01:35 PM
Reply Sorry, Chasillia AKA X (Guest), 27-Jul-03 12:47 AM, #57
Reply Yeah, I'm out again., Seflirn (Guest), 21-Jul-03 05:23 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Yeah, I'm out again., Karithia, 21-Jul-03 07:55 PM, #2
     Reply RE: Yeah, I'm out again., Lightmaged (Guest), 21-Jul-03 10:01 PM, #3
     Reply RE: Yeah, I'm out again., Rjezrit (Guest), 22-Jul-03 09:44 AM, #5
     Reply RE: Yeah, I'm out again., Karithia, 22-Jul-03 04:46 PM, #11
     Reply RE: Yeah, I'm out again., DC (Guest), 22-Jul-03 03:02 PM, #6
     Reply I'd knock Karithia and Chasillia both., The Forsaken (Guest), 22-Jul-03 03:14 PM, #7
     Reply RE: Yeah, I'm out again., Karithia, 22-Jul-03 04:41 PM, #10
          Reply Hrm, perhaps patience might pay off for me..., Carth (Guest), 22-Jul-03 05:54 PM, #14
               Reply RE: Hrm, perhaps patience might pay off for me..., Karithia, 22-Jul-03 06:23 PM #15
                    Reply In closing, then:, Carth (Guest), 22-Jul-03 07:37 PM, #19
     Reply Well...., Carth (Guest), 22-Jul-03 04:06 PM, #8
          Reply RE: Well...., Karithia, 22-Jul-03 04:53 PM, #12
               Reply RE: Well...., Good hater (Guest), 22-Jul-03 07:53 PM, #23
     Reply Seems you succeeded where I screwed up. Well done pal...., Itaeapheqim (Guest), 22-Jul-03 08:54 AM, #4
     Reply RE: Seems you succeeded where I screwed up. Well done ..., Karithia, 22-Jul-03 04:57 PM, #13
          Reply RE: Seems you succeeded where I screwed up. Well done ..., Pheqim (Guest), 22-Jul-03 07:17 PM, #18
               Reply If I had read this..., Carth (Guest), 22-Jul-03 07:40 PM, #20
     Reply sigh, seakrou (Guest), 22-Jul-03 04:26 PM, #9
     Reply RE: Yeah, I'm out again., Warlock Maran (Guest), 22-Jul-03 06:53 PM, #16
     Reply You missed the point..., Carth (Guest), 22-Jul-03 07:44 PM, #21
          Reply RE: You missed the point..., Warlock Maran (Guest), 23-Jul-03 06:11 PM, #40
     Reply on warlocks, Anonymouse (Guest), 22-Jul-03 06:53 PM, #17
     Reply Ugh, another response..., Carth (Guest), 22-Jul-03 07:46 PM, #22
          Reply and obviously you missed my point, Anonymouse (Guest), 22-Jul-03 07:56 PM, #24
               Reply Very well..., Carth (Guest), 22-Jul-03 08:58 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Yeah, I'm out again., permanewbie, 22-Jul-03 07:50 PM, #26
     Reply heh., ATK, 23-Jul-03 03:35 AM, #27
          Reply RE: Full looting and morals:, Valguarnera, 23-Jul-03 11:44 AM, #28
               Reply RE: Full looting and morals:, Enbuergo1 (Guest), 23-Jul-03 04:08 PM, #29
               Reply Why?, Zepachu, 23-Jul-03 04:36 PM, #30
               Reply Re:, The Forsaken (Guest), 23-Jul-03 04:43 PM, #31
               Reply Well., Zepachu, 23-Jul-03 05:17 PM, #34
               Reply Uh., The Forsaken (Guest), 23-Jul-03 05:45 PM, #36
               Reply Take a deep breath. Let me present this from a differe..., Falstaff, 23-Jul-03 05:47 PM, #37
                    Reply Re:, Foraken (Guest), 23-Jul-03 06:06 PM, #38
                         Reply Let me see if I understand you, here., Falstaff, 23-Jul-03 06:31 PM, #41
                              Reply It's true., Brunik (Guest), 23-Jul-03 06:36 PM, #42
                              Reply Seperate your character from yourself. IC, do what the..., Try this once (Guest), 23-Jul-03 06:38 PM, #43
                              Reply In other words,, Brunik (Guest), 23-Jul-03 06:41 PM, #45
                                   Reply Ok, I'm going to try this one more time...., Me again (Guest), 23-Jul-03 06:56 PM, #47
                                        Reply You are starting to lose it buddy. Seriously., Brunik (Guest), 23-Jul-03 07:20 PM, #50
                                             Reply The only thing I've lost is you, and I don't much care ..., Falstaff, 23-Jul-03 11:51 PM, #53
                                                  Reply No, you are wrong. And it really is that simple., Brunik (Guest), 25-Jul-03 12:20 PM, #55
                              Reply Err., Brunik (Guest), 23-Jul-03 06:39 PM, #44
                              Reply RE: OOC v. IC, Balrahd. (Guest), 23-Jul-03 06:44 PM, #46
                                   Reply 2 pts. Looks like we have a replacement for Kobe., Carth (Guest), 23-Jul-03 07:05 PM, #49
               Reply hmm, not always, Daurwyn (Guest), 23-Jul-03 06:08 PM, #39
                    Reply You, sanely, make a good point., Zepachu, 23-Jul-03 07:59 PM, #52
                    Reply There's a bit of a difference there., Falstaff, 24-Jul-03 12:01 AM, #54
               Reply Right on the money. (n/t), Brunik (Guest), 23-Jul-03 05:31 PM, #35
               Reply RE: Why?, Circuits Edge (Anonymous), 23-Jul-03 05:02 PM, #32
                    Reply I have no idea if that's a compliment or not. (n.txt), Zepachu, 23-Jul-03 05:14 PM, #33
               Reply RE: Full looting and morals:, Valguarnera, 23-Jul-03 11:02 PM, #56
               Reply I almost wonder..., Carth (Guest), 23-Jul-03 07:01 PM, #48
                    Reply My reply was to ATK's post. (n/t), Valguarnera, 23-Jul-03 11:06 PM, #51
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