I believe the way both you and Chasilla spoke to Seflirn, in my less than infinite wisdom, was utterly ungoodly in any way, shape, or form. First of all, the whole vengeance thing smacks of something goodies just shouldn't promote. Vengeance, hatred, are these not the feelings that lead to and stem from evil? A Maran even, despite the fires of his ambition, does not forge his life on hatred. Hatred is a bad thing, imho, for a hero goodie to be basing his decisions on. That being said, there's arrogance but then you're also supposed to be goodly no? That type of attitude, if thats the elven norm, would mean elf races should never give items over following a request. After all, why should they be bothered by mere whelps? If they're talking about their own cabal mate like he was a piece of #### beneath his heel, why would they bother even fighting for anything righteous? I think I can state it best like this, that's the types of things I'd expect to hear in a Scion cabal meeting, not a warlock one. The threats, angst, I think it all was just a bit reminescent of the lower attributes defining mortals. I'm not knocking you or at least not trying to, but I totally disagree with the type of direction the warlock cabal is heading when I see #### like that being considered perfectly fine.