Several days ago I died a bunch to mobs and at the temple, where nobody was there I typed out my anger, using ooc words.

An imm (daphedee I believe) said don't do that. I have that logged but it doesn't matter.

yesterday was particularly bad and I did it again, and again, nobody was there. In fact it was never done with any pc in the same room. Which is a fact because the 'count' command showed everyone being visible and none of them there. And there were, I think, 4 or 5 people online at all. Late at night.

Well I log on in realm of the dead, and long story short I'm slayed, and purged. Losing a con (I was at 9 con, made me 8 con), evidently wasn't enough. Had to be naked.

This is (a) how you spend your time, and (b) vastly over punish. There was no cheating, no ooc information sharing, no passing equ, no multicharring or anything else that actually did anything to hurt anyone or the game. Again, because no one was there. And even if someone was there, that's really so horrible that it's not just a slay, but a purge?? Sure, a violation in a vaccuum. Though we can discuss whether it really is. But even so, no one there, and your second talk is slay and purge so you're naked? This seems like reasonable punishment on a second talk? First actual punishment?

Right. And this after the imm said how interesting the char is and tried to sound nice.

Done with this mud. This is not how you treat people. Not how you treat the few remaining people who actively put in a lot of time into the game, hundreds of hours into characters, and actually contribute to the game.

Not even going to get into character specifics or players. Imms just don't want this game to exist. Glad to help.

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<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 7 PM civilized indoor sa So what's going on?
You say 'So what's going on?'

An Immortal says 'Over-often breaking char with the repeated upset swearing.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 8 PM civilized indoor

Autosaving.

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 9 PM civilized indoor
An Immortal says 'You were warned about it before, but then did it again afterwards, so we're here.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 9 PM civilized indoor sa Never when a pc is around. And I know that because the count says how many people and how many I can see, which was all.
You say 'Never when a pc is around. And I know that because the count says how many people and how many I can see, which was all. '

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 10 PM civilized indoor sa also only 4 or 5 people as I recall
You say 'also only 4 or 5 people as I recall'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 10 PM civilized indoor sa Never, not once, when any pc was around.
You say 'Never, not once, when any pc was around.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 11 PM civilized indoor
An Immortal says 'It doesn't matter if you think there is a PC around or not. You were asked not to, and you kept doing it.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 11 PM civilized indoor
An Immortal says 'You were told before that it doesn't matter if a PC is around.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 11 PM civilized indoor sa I didn't "keep" doing it
You say 'I didn't "keep" doing it'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 11 PM civilized indoor
An Immortal says 'I apologize if 'kept' sounds incorrect. You were warned and you did it again, and so we're here.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 12 AM civilized indoor
An Immortal says 'So the deal is that this time you get punished.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 1 AM civilized indoor sa Really?
You say 'Really? '

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 1 AM civilized indoor
An Immortal says 'Yes.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 1 AM civilized indoor
An Immortal says 'You were let off entirely last time under the condition that you not do it again.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 1 AM civilized indoor sa Great. While I will accept what you say, this is what we're spending time on? Really?
You say 'Great. While I will accept what you say, this is what we're spending time on? Really? '

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 2 AM civilized indoor
An Immortal says 'Since asking nicely didn't work, this time there is a penalty.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 2 AM civilized indoor sa Great.
You say 'Great.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 2 AM civilized indoor sa Go ahead.
You say 'Go ahead.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 2 AM civilized indoor
An Immortal says 'I spend my time on a lot of things, this is just one of them.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 2 AM civilized indoor sa A slay I prresume?
You say 'A slay I prresume?'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 2 AM civilized indoor
An Immortal nods.

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 2 AM civilized indoor sa Great.
You say 'Great.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 2 AM civilized indoor sa Perfect.
You say 'Perfect.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 2 AM civilized indoor sa Stop wasting time then.
You say 'Stop wasting time then.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 3 AM civilized indoor
An Immortal says 'If you can keep it cool from now on, then we're good. You're a neat character, try not to pollute it with the upset swearing lingo.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 3 AM civilized indoor
An Immortal says 'All right.'

<799hp 1040m 932mv 17913tnl (-7.14%)> 3 AM civilized indoor
An Immortal slays you for cheating!

As you remove a spider ring, the distractions of the world seem more pressing.
As you remove a spider ring, the distractions of the world seem more pressing.
You have died, but the Carrion Fields are not finished with you yet!
Your soul is returned to the realms in the form of a ghost.
You will return to your corporeal state in a short while.
Be careful, for even a ghost should fear some dangers!
You no longer feel in control of your translucence.
You step back into three dimensions.
You feel some of your vitality drain out of you with this death.

<21hp 48m 924mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 5 AM water outdoor pray does my stuff come usual speed or can you make it come faster perhaps
You pray to the heavens for help!

<69hp 43m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 7 AM civilized indoor
An Immortal tells you 'You don't get your things back.'

<69hp 43m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 7 AM civilized indoor gr
Czorzhinka's group:
<40 Tra> Czorzhinka 18% hp 5% mana 100% mv 353580 xp

<69hp 43m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 7 AM civilized indoor sta
You wake and stand up.

<69hp 43m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 7 AM civilized indoor repl What?
You tell an Immortal 'What?'

<69hp 43m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 7 AM civilized indoor repl slay and purge?
You tell an Immortal 'slay and purge?'

<69hp 43m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 7 AM civilized indoor repl Losing a con wasn't enough?


Autosaving.

<85hp 143m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 8 AM civilized indoor You tell an Immortal 'Losing a con wasn't enough?'

<85hp 143m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 8 AM civilized indoor af
You are affected by:
Spell: 'giant strength' modifies strength by 4 for 48 hours.
Spell: 'ocular enhancement' for 29 hours.
Spell: 'ocular enhancement' for 29 hours.
Commune: 'armor' modifies armor class by -20 for 23 hours.
Spell: 'metabolic slowing' modifies dexterity by -3 for 19 hours.
Spell: 'pass door' for 16 hours.
Spell: 'control translucence' for 8 hours.
Spell: 'enlarge' modifies size by 1 for 5 hours.
Spell: 'enlarge' modifies damage roll by 1 for 5 hours.
Spell: 'enlarge' modifies constitution by 1 for 5 hours.
Spell: 'enlarge' modifies dexterity by -2 for 5 hours.
Spell: 'enlarge' modifies strength by 2 for 5 hours.

<85hp 143m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 8 AM civilized indoor
Hyetian, the great winged devil closes his eyes for a moment and nods at the Lich Coprophagous.

<85hp 143m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 8 AM civilized indoor
Hyetian, the great winged devil closes his eyes for a moment and nods at you.
You feel better!

<105hp 143m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 8 AM civilized indoor
Hyetian, the great winged devil closes his eyes for a moment and nods at you.
You feel righteous.

<132hp 215m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 9 AM civilized indoor repl Right. When people ask why people don't play, please do log and use this as example 1.
You tell an Immortal 'Right. When people ask why people don't play, please do log and use this as example 1.'

<132hp 215m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 9 AM civilized indoor
Hyetian, the great winged devil closes his eyes for a moment and nods at you.
Your body shudders, and you feel fully refreshed!

<132hp 215m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 9 AM civilized indoor delete
Type delete again to confirm this command.
WARNING: this command is irreversible. You will lose all your limited gear.
You will go into dormancy for a week before actually deleting.
Typing delete with an argument will undo delete status.
If you confirm the delete, this name will be unusable.
You will need to talk to an implementor to use it again.

Time to throw away 253 hours, 40 levels and 357580 experience.

Death tells you, 'THE SUN WILL COME OUT TOMORROW.'

<132hp 215m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 9 AM civilized indoor
Hyetian, the great winged devil closes his eyes for a moment and nods at the Lich Coprophagous.

<132hp 215m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 9 AM civilized indoor delete
Patience, you will be able to delete shortly.

<132hp 215m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 9 AM civilized indoor
Hyetian, the great winged devil closes his eyes for a moment and nods at you.

<161hp 311m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 10 AM civilized indoor
Hyetian, the great winged devil closes his eyes for a moment and nods at you.
You feel better!

<180hp 311m 932mv 20720tnl (-23.92%)> 10 AM civilized indoor delete
Admitting crushing defeat to , you go into hiding.

You have ####ed a good guys, said it was ok, and was with it, bad bro. I don'nt respect you. Nor I judge you. Let the God judge you. I'm off.

nt

When you have young children it's easy to loose your cool in the name of discipline. But as most people know, hitting or even yelling is not an effective way to change behavior and has negative long-term consequences. This scenario mirrors dealing with children and illustrates effective and ineffective ways of modifying behavior.

To the player: You made minor mistake and breached character. Perhaps there are some in-game methods of venting, such as praying while still in character. Or just swear like a dwarf a little in the room, while still in character.

To the immortal I have three points. First, see this from the player's perspective and remember that everyone is fighting the good fight and doing the best they can. There was a lack of empathy in your response. Second, you responded to someone breaking character by breaking character yourself. If you want to encourage players to remain in character you shouldn't be breaking character, and this could have been dealt with in a positive fashion by remaining in character. Third, a roleplaying violation, especially when there are no PC victims, should not result in ROTD and a slay. A punishment this severe was often reserved for egregious rules violations, such a permas, multicharing, and other forms of cheating.

To Destuvius, you're in a tough spot. I would view all parties as your children. They both did something wrong, and both should learn something from the event. Ask yourself what the desired outcome is and how you achieve this. A severe punishment overlooks the forest (the overall health of the MUD and playercount) for the tree (a minor, and based on the information presented, victimless violation). But, you need both the immortal and the player to keep the game healthy.

How would I have handled this? Well, it's easy for me to play a Monday morning arm-chair quarterback, so here goes...
I would have taken away the character's voice, either through a very long garble or the mute edge if I felt it was warranted.

I had a char who was betrayed and I was pissed about it. So, I gave the bastard an earful and an IMM landed on my shoulder as a bird or something and started cooing. Calmed me right down.

I just looked into this a little bit and this character has multiple instances of postdeath OOC swearing rants (at least three that I have found documented).

The staff member who handled 99% of the work on these is probably the single softest/most easy going staff member we have so its pretty alarming to me that there was even anything done at all with this.

The call for the punishment was made by another staff member than the one who handled the majority of the direct face time with said player, but based on the repeated occurances of it and the fact that its clear a simple warning was not going to cut it, I think the fact there was a real punishment involved makes sense.

Personally speaking, I think we slightly overpunished the end result while underpunishing the previous instances that apparently just got a "now you stop that" type finger wagging. I think that if a slighty heavier hand earlier on would have been used, it would have stopped the behavior without it getting to the level where a nuke was dropped.

For the non-confrontational summary, and the honest assessment of how perhaps we can learn from this.

Personally, I think posts like this are healthy for the player imm relationship, even if the original issue being discussed is a done deal.

>Personally speaking, I think we slightly overpunished the end
>result while underpunishing the previous instances that
>apparently just got a "now you stop that" type finger wagging.
> I think that if a slighty heavier hand earlier on would have
>been used, it would have stopped the behavior without it
>getting to the level where a nuke was dropped.

You seem to be doing that a lot recently, using a player's past to punish him. Don't you know how to forgive?

The situation referenced here had nothing to do with the player and everything to do with the character. This specific character had multiple instances of doing the same behavior that got them in trouble. If someone had been a little more firm on one of the multiple previous instances where this character had repeated the behavior, then this character might not have had to get such a heavy hit after they continued to do it.

Can you add some clarity to your comment that implies this player was treated differently because of who the actual player is?

Is the you seem to be guilty of what you are complaining about.

You are challenging the imms over a perceived pattern of imm behaviour, when they are basing punishments on a perceived pattern of player behaviour.

Unless you are saying that they are going nuclear solely because of some offense from a decade ago where the player had been clean since.

This sounds reasonable.

Again, I think some of you guys are taking this text-based adventure game a little too seriously.

I had a lite version of this happen with my last character and it made me lose the urge completely.

Ideally he'd have been warned of how severe the punishment was going to be, before he committed the second offense.

I really dislike purge in this circumstance, because it is open to abuse. Imm char wants a piece of gear currently maxed out? Purge the guy with it. I don't think that's happened here but it opens the window to the possibility.

Purge, for me, is best suited to things like dropping link to avoid a pk. Because potentially you did that to preserve your gear. But there should be a definite pattern of only losing link when gaining advantage from doing so, before that's applied.

Or purge could be a punishment for someone that passed gear, or made an ooc gear gathering group.

The punishment does feel pretty severe given no pcs were affected by his offence. If Ind are affected, maybe explain that to him when pulling him over the first time so he understands that.

That said, everyone now knows, so everyone can now avoid this punishment for this offence.

Why not just do something else?

Though I don't know exactly what he said. Except with 4 players online with you, maybe you can probably assume an Imm may be watching you, since I think Imms know anytime someone dies and he had been warned before. So maybe the Imm felt it was directed generally at them, who knows.

I've certainly yelled at my laptop or cursed out loud from playing CF in the past. But typing it in as a say, I'm not sure I see the point. If it is in game, that is to convey what my character would do, not me the player. However, when you consider it, expletives are a completely valid part of CF and RP.

For me personally, I am pretty sure CF is meant for adults, not children. Adults swear and can handle other people swearing. Words are not inherently bad, and the whole concept of being punished for using certain ones is a little ridiculous.

If I say M****** F***** BS when my char dies, who cares? If I say fargin sweaty arse svirf testicles! instead, would I get Imm XP for RP?

Reality is, most people will probably let a few colorful expletives fly in situations that piss them off. Why would a dark elf (I think he was one?) be any different? Say he just got ganged down by three paladins. He's going to vow to himself to find and torture each one of those <insert favorite expletive laced name for paladins>, and then <insert other unspeakable profanity laden acts> their entire family. Because he's an evil sadistic drow, and that's what they do. What they would not say is "That was well fought, good job on besting me!"

Frustration at death is RP and if anything should be encouraged, not punished.

So really, he got punished only for the manner of his character voicing his frustrations. I am really hoping he said things like **** CF and Umiron for designing this BS game. Though Umiron as a god can rightfully be used as a target of rage, though he might just hear you and smite the ever loving #### out of you for it. Cause you know, he's a god in Thera. Carrion fields can be a colorful name for Thera given the daily amount of death and destruction that is sown in Thera, and to a drow life is nothing but a game. There, all fit neatly into RP and IC.

But if he just died and went on a nonsensical expletive filled rant? Congrats. He just RP'd and you punished him for it. Or he broke char, and you enforced the breaking RP on him. But then I suppose you'd also have to punish people for all the other inane things people do and say in CF that breaks RP.

I'd say the Imm should have just vis'd and beat him into oblivion for it. Slay purge is just so OOC, it's as bad as the offending behavior. The Imm should bring him back into the IC fold with a good old fashioned RP session that still ends with him dying. Player probably would have responded about how awesome that was instead of swearing off CF. Still lost a con, he gets the point, and both of you have a little more fun with the thing instead of it being what it was.

Just a thought.

..is it takes time energy and effort on behalf of the Imm and does not give the correct sense of jaded bitterness towards the playerbase for a hobby they never should have come back to.

Oh I don't know, I think they could convey it adequately enough. Just imagine.

The shadows gather.

Scarabeus peers around the area, acknowledging all around him except your presence.

Scarabeus whispers 'How these mortal creatures and their pathetic whimperings over the most trivial of matters continue to prove allowing their continued existence is a mistake.'

Scarabeus wields the Sword of Perdition.

Scarabeus whispers 'The Dark Dream was wrong to leave these whelps to their own devices in our world, instead of simply excising them from Thera.'

Scarabeus grins with malicious glee as he now focuses his gaze upon you.

Scarabeus deals a blow of deadly force!
Scarabeus's unholy power does unspeakable things to you!
You have been KILLED!!

And yet, the player would probably find the interaction awesome anyway, since Scar would do it 1000% better. Scar would probably still make interaction amazing even though he was pissed off at you and CF in general. How messed up is that?

Yah, if he just said something like "#### this" after dying, I'm 100% cool with that. That's believable. My experience with people's post-death OOC chatter leads me to imagine otherwise though, I really doubt it, but I'm also extremely biased. It was bad enough on Lirad that I just started pre-emptively muting people for 5 mins after pking them so they can't break char on me, and for several chars afterward until I got ROTD'd and told it's not an acceptable use of ignore, lol.

If it was bad, I woulda just docked some immxp with an echo+warning earlier on. Or mute (for a long time), but I doubt I would have the presence of mind to think of it. It is a problem when someone refuses to follow simple instructions, but it's also a problem when they're getting mixed messages about consequences/how seriously what they're doing is taken.

Too bad you still ended up in a drama filled delete thread. Maybe as the next step in different, you just delete quietly if you aren't having fun.

Here's my view of the situation (just to give you a data point).

Was your behavior inappropriate / inconsistent with CF philosophy? Yes, I think so (and you appear to agree in your own post).

Was the enforcement mechanism appropriate? Probably not. (Note that probably not does not mean "no"... but rather that it was "likely more inappropriate than appropriate". Sorry, lawyer here.) ***It's a thin line between maintaining integrity of the MUD and maintaining a healthy number of players.*** Given that there was no cheating/damage done to the MUD/playerbase (a tree fell in the forest and no one heard the noise), slay/purge seems harsh and it's entirely predictable that such punishment would chase off a player.

Having said that, the above only applies if the administration shares my conclusion that the MUD population is unhealthily low. If not, purge/slay in this case (where there is a clear behavioral violation) could even seem like a mild correction.

I hope you come back. For what it's worth I thought your character was a SUPERBLY RP'ed drow. I'll post it in my own goodbyes once the thread pops up on Battlefield.

i did it a couple years ago after dying a really stupid death to a pc. cussed and fumed via say while alone. got called out on it, did it again, and was slayed.

i was pretty mad. AT MYSELF. for letting a silly game control my emotions. so i sent a note to immortals and said sorry and thanks for the work they do.

no one wants to police emotionally stunted goobers.

your turn.

and he couldn't find a sleek sienna rod

c'mon dude!

or does no one actually give a ####?

Me: don’t to that, it’s bad, there will be consequences if I catch you do it again.

My kid: does it again....

Me: you know I told you not to do that right? That there would be consequences if you did it again?

My kids: throws an epic fit about how unfair I am....

Yeah, he’s 12 years old with the emotional age of a toddler(we adopted him 3 years ago from a very abusive home) so yeah...

Moral of the story.... suck it up buttercup. You were warned, and then punished. That’s the way the world goes.

CF players are not kids that you need to educate. Those times are long since gone.

Your adoption papers say otherwise.

dont hit me

(and don't beat your kids, kids.)

and have consequences for not following them.

First, you're a douche.

As for punishments, perhaps when your kids do something wrong you punch them in the face? Because that's what this is here. Nothing wrong actually was done to anyone, it's entirely a theoretical issue, and you went right to the nuclear option. Short of banning, slay and purge is just about the worst thing you can do to someone. You went from 0 to 10, which is both stupid and calculated to piss people off. You could have just slain. Or you could have said next time you'll get slay and purge. You could have done a lot of things. But you didn't.

Because, you know, you're a douche.

For some reason you seem to think that I am the guy who did this to you. The process is a really simple one though, you were told to stop doing X and did it again. You can try to play the victim with it all you want, and I won't stop you. I will however point out that as an adult you should be able to control yourself when asked to especially with something so within your control like the keys you are pressing and sending into a game.

Why not stop at slay? Why destroy gear that potentially took hundreds of hour for solo muter guy to amass?

Like if you're going to do that just deny him. I don't know who it is but you seem to, so it sort of feels like there's some bias there.

You complain about forum drama being started but you (you're saying you had nothing to do with this situation at all?) really ####ed this guy for a very minor offense.

You are DEAD!
say Oh ####tickle-banana humping dinkenflickas!

Nobody is around to hear it, nobody is even online, what does it matter? Did the guy have previous cheat history with this character nobody has mentioned yet?

I don't disagree that based on the info presented here that purge seems potentially a bit excessive, but I also would assume that it happened for a good reason.

At the end of the day, even if the punishment is a bit over the top, this player had every opportunity to completely avoid it by not repeating a behavior that they were asked to stop.

gr

n/t

* If a staff member makes a decision regarding rules or gameplay (in person or otherwise), you are expected to comply with it.

I think one thing to remember in the "I was standing there by myself" I believe beyond a point in Diku certain level imms see all says and tells. So while you may be "Alone" you could be spamming several people out with the language.

To be honest I feel the player had more than a fair chance, my break point for bad language happened 2-3 years ago.

I got slayed, purged, and docked 1000 imm exp, and I 100% agree with the decision made by the imm and would expect no less if I did the same again. Given the warnings given this whole thing to me has completely blown out of proportion.

http://www.carrionfields.net/helpsearch.php?keywords=language

LANGUAGE PROFANITY PROFANE FOREIGN OBSCENE OBSCENITY (1152)

Carrion Fields is dedicated to providing a pleasant gaming experience to
all of its players, regardless of their background. Some of our players
are minors, and others have varying sensitivity to obscene language.
Experience has taught us that such language rarely adds to roleplaying,
and often detracts from it. As such:

1) Language which denigrates people of a particular real-life race,
ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, etc. is unacceptable.

2) Excessive use of profane language describing sexual or excretory
bodily functions is also unacceptable, particularly when directed at
specific individuals.

3) Sexual harrassment will not be tolerated. If both parties do not
consent to the speech/socials/emotes, then don't do them.

4) You may NOT speak in a foreign or made-up language. This is an English MUD
and all communication forms, on all channels, will be English.

As with all rules, enforcement is subject to the judgement of the Immortal
staff, and failure to comply with the above may result in punishment,
including denial of the offending character.

For guidelines on In-Character language, see SPEECH.

We permit Fargin, for example.

Also we kind of encourage Mrrrr and Vendui.

Yet it says we should only use English.

Basically it should probably say that if an imm feels the need to intervene about your language, the punishment for any repeat offense is likely to be severe.

I get what you are saying, however all ambiguity is lost when the player
is warned on multiple occasions about that they are doing. Which in
this case was the scenario. Trying to argue around the facts even when
the player in question mentions that they were warned and then repeated
the exact same behaviour is pointless.

As for what it says well its no greater a punishment than being denied.

As with all rules, enforcement is subject to the judgement of the
Immortal staff, and failure to comply with the above may result in
punishment, including denial of the offending character.

It was not multiple occasions. It was once. What happened here was the first time after the one and only interaction about this topic.

It's foolish and draconian and removed all desire to play. And for something that did quite literally no harm to anyone, as no one ever was there to see the words the character said - regardless if such words were violations or not.

stop playing and don't come back. In a game where "my way or the highway" reigns supreme, that's pretty much the only way for players to (strongly) signal dissatisfaction.

I stopped playing when the changes went in a direction I didn't like. I haven't played ever since.

gr

Nothing on that helpfile applies to Czorz's situation.

The warning was not fair.
The punishment was made upon an unfair warning.
That's my view. But it's their game.

Let's move on.

Without that?

Because it seems pretty clear to me that the offense was offensive language and the warning would have enabled him to avoid it.

Just like it would enable you to avoid it, even if you'd never read any of these posts. Of course, you have read them, like the rest of us, and I suspect no one will be repeat offending knowing they could eat both a slay and a purge.

Personally I barely view slay as a punishment at all, and I've eaten a few from killing imms' followers in their shrines. One was a bash down rather than a slay but a death alone is nothing. Losing all your gear, on the other hand, is quite severe unless it was largely gone already.

However, to support many of the previous responses, and provide a certain "official" response, two key excerpts from HELP RULES:

* Offensive language is prohibited or discouraged, depending on use.
See LANGUAGE for details. Sexual harassment is not tolerated.

* If a staff member makes a decision regarding rules or gameplay (in
person or otherwise), you are expected to comply with it.


I believe the first tends to cover the original situation, but in the
case that it was somehow unclear, once clarified by an Immortal,
there is little room for ambiguity remaining.

PBF is picked up.

immcomments indicate an awesome character

Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed.

I guess it was hoping too much to get the double-secret non-redacted
history. Unless the initial pull aside wasn't noted for whatever reason.

and punishment corresponds social danger of the act.

Like when I was an imm I applied punishment matching the offense, and talking offense resulted in mute mode on (however temporary).

Tough job. Maybe you could have some house rules (no swearing) with a punishment that applies to everyone. Break the rule every now and then and let him see how you deal with the same punishment he'd get (assuming you don't cry about it). :)

Then he might feel like he's not being singled out. You're doing a world of good for him whether he knows it now or not. Just ask my step-dad.

You, consider all cf players and all others - as all your childs, thats why you play mostly paladins, thats why you swear in all your farewells, how they are bad.

The thing, that I want to point, and I hope that you'll really take a look in it, stop treat your childs in the sense of the paladin. You are bad in the most things, you can't control your emotion, but you think you are the best one.

Your childs will see the differents between your words and the real world, soon they'll hate you.

Reread it, my friend. You are not the best one. Good luck with your childs.

I have a new warcry.


>You, consider all cf players and all others - as all your
>childs, thats why you play mostly paladins, thats why you
>swear in all your farewells, how they are bad.
>
>The thing, that I want to point, and I hope that you'll really
>take a look in it, stop treat your childs in the sense of the
>paladin. You are bad in the most things, you can't control
>your emotion, but you think you are the best one.
>
>Your childs will see the differents between your words and the
>real world, soon they'll hate you.
>
>Reread it, my friend. You are not the best one. Good luck with
>your childs.

That's a jinglin'.

I'm remembering the 'foul mouthed paladin' that got a title and IMM love for profanity.

Basically when you have 3 players playing those 3 players are not going to get away with anything, and it so happens that IMMs seem to be way more heavy handed lately with the remaining players when they perceive cheating MAY be going on. They don't need proof, and they will use their own interpretations that do not jive with interpretations of the past with regards to what is 'breaking a rule'. Sort of annoying as ####. But yes, some IMMs take the 'overbearing cop' approach of power based on what is going on in their personal lives at the time or in the past. It is what it is, and basically you just don't give any perception that you might be breaking a rule and you're fine.

edit: About the heavy-handedness anyway, don't know about any of that other stuff. Sounds like somebody snared your goat-commander or whatever the kids are saying these days.

Personally, I think the culture has just changed (more concern about enforcing the more trivial rules).

My preference is that he not get a cheater-slay. I think, assuming he's being honest, that what he did is pretty unimportant.

I won't opine on which way things like this should go, I don't actually know whether it's letting it slide or punishing it that has the best net outcome. After all, he sounds like a bitch, maybe he was hundreds of hours of grade A douche.

I will say that it used to be the case that you could be named "Folutar", run around yelling ORCORCORCORC, full sac every kill, do everything in all caps, even emotes, and even get IMM XP from Enlilth for doing it, without ever being pulled aside. That was a funnier, more lively CF, and I liked that better (I did as a teenager anyway). For better or worse, I kind of don't think that would slide now no matter how many people were playing at the time.

So who's volunteering to buy his PBF?

We're nowhere near snaring a goat-commander.

NFSW:



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