There seems to be some odd inconsistencies between hometerrain and the bonus progs on ranger weapons. For Mariner the staff does not do the drown attack and the harpoon only does it on/in water. But swamp works for both weapon types even in civilization. Mountain prog appears to work in any wilderness and at least on staff.




Examples
-swamp staff civilized
314/704hp 433/433m 607/614mv 3917tnl (civilized)(outdoor)(7 PM)(21)>
Jruvraz parries your smash.
A ranger's staff glows bright green and emits a cloud of poisonous vapor towards Jruvraz!
Jruvraz screams in agony as plague sores erupt from his skin.
Your poisonous vapor MUTILATES Jruvraz!
Your smash MANGLES Jruvraz!
Your defensive spin deflects Jruvraz'

-swamp staff mountains

Redhorn Gate


The corpse of Vythia is here, the bluish flesh frostbitten and split.
(Ghost) Vythia the elf is sleeping here.
You escape the quicksand here by flying over it.

wilderness <884hp 497m 879mv 11 PM> hi
You attempt to hide.

wilderness <884hp 497m 879mv 11 PM> You attempt to move silently.

wilderness <884hp 497m 879mv 11 PM>
Someone escapes the quicksand here by flying over it.

wilderness <884hp 497m 879mv 11 PM> People near you:
Rasst steps out from his cover.
Rasst's surprise attack <<< ERADICATES >>> you!
That really did HURT!
You yell 'Help! I've been ambushed by Rasst!'
Rasst has a few scratches.

wilderness <541hp 497m 879mv 11 PM>
You step out of the shadows.
You trample around loudly again.
Rasst deflects your defilement with his defensive spin.
Rasst dodges your claw.
Rasst dodges your claw.
The central stone in your helm flashes brilliantly!
Rasst appears to be blinded.
Rasst's smash *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
Rasst's claw MANGLES you!
Rasst's smash *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
A ranger's staff glows bright green and emits a cloud of poisonous vapor towards you!
Rasst's poisonous vapor DISMEMBERS you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Near Redhorn Gate

-mountaineer staff in field from a frost so it’s hometerrain
wilderness FIELD <1023/1023hp 320/482m 837/837mv> 19125tnl 8 AM snowing
pugYou deliver a punishing pugil strike with a ranger's staff!
A ranger's staff glows bright blue and radiates blistering waves of frost as it arcs towards Corzu!
Your blistering cold wounds Corzu.
Your pugil strike MANGLES Corzu!
The colors of your war paint run off.
Corzu has a few scratches.

-mountaineer staff on path in holy grove(forest trail)
27/535hp 431/447m 593/625mv 5626tnl new lightning wilderness 2 AM>
Greh dodges your searing cut.
Greh parries your brilliant radiance.
A ranger's staff glows bright blue and radiates blistering waves of frost as it arcs towards you!
Greh's blistering cold EVISCERATES you!
You have been KILLED

Yeah, some of the bonuses work outside home terrain and others don't. When they do it is always at a reduced rate.

All by design, though.

Would you consider changing the damage type when the target is immune to drown? Virtually all mobs in and on water are immune. You could potentially track mobs to water but you would need to give most a boat as well. As an ability it’s area of usefulness has such a strong double constraint that you could reasonably play 100 hours without any gain, which makes it merely decorative.


Maybe more broadly look at if simply having water breathing should grant immunity to water attacks. I mean air breathers are not immune to air attacks, in fact flying works as a penalty for some air spells. Mechanically someone suspended in water would also struggle when a lot is suddenly displaced.

Alternatively, considering mariners get stormcalling, it wouldn't be unreasonable to have harpoons prog lightning.

Just a spell specific thing. Drowning spells not being possible without water and all that jazz.

There are magical weapons in-game that have drowning attacks on land.
Since ranger weapons are magical, there wouldn't really be an issue there
with having them prog water attacks.

Also the frequency of ranger weapon progs was all over the place last I checked (they prog a lot vs mobs but almost never vs PCs)

I can't think of one, unless you're talking about water melee types.

edit: Oh, you are. Yeah no way, a free 28+ avg drowning weapon? gtfo here.

Anyway drown only works in water and I don't imagine they want to put engulf or geyser on the thing given how much stronger they are.

Doesn't the sword of tcar geyser?

It does engulf. I need to play a storm sword someday.

Also that guy wasn't talking about a drowning attack type, my bad.

I agree with him, feels like mariners already lose the most out of their terrain (though that net on the log board was looking beastly), it seems reasonable to throw together a water spell on par with drown just for the ranger weapon, and maybe give it to deluge too. Engulf or geyser are probably too much for a ranger staff.

Having played one.

Harpoon allows you to do something that no other ranger can which is an unblockable (generally) hit which drops strength (and Dex if I recall), causing bleeding, but most importantly is stackable. You can drop people's strength hugely with harpoon.

Given that I'm not sure you need progs.

Those are looking pretty awful.

Never had anything but caverners and foresters here.

Group based direct damage is really good.

Shows what I know about rangers. Is it worth losing bearcharge and snare? I thought mariners lost bearcharge too but I was wrong.

But you really need 2 size advantage to make bearcharge shine so it’s not that big a loss for non giants. Losing snare hurts because it’s just a great skill for all sorts of reasons. But if you expect to fight a lot of groups or people with very good damage avoidance defenses then dervish dance is king among ranger skills. Being an explorer used to make you a ranger killer with 2 hour dirt kick and dirt resistance(dirt ambush). But it doesn’t work outside deserts anymore that way with wanderlust.

Group based direct damage is really good.

So it's at least half-consistent.