Hi Imms,
Just wondering if you'd be willing to provide a little more info on the prereqs for daunting presence. A search popped up that there's a PK requirement over a certain level range.

Are there any specifics there that you could share? I saw that the level range is pre-fiend, but it is it levels 1-44, or something tighter? Are we talking 100 PKW or 10?

Thanks! It looks like a fun (and rare) edge, and I'd love to get the chance to try it out.

It's expensive, but at the same time the average level 41-51 character has earned enough edge points to take it 3 1/2 times over.

The only non-obvious (from discuss) requirement is some PKs, which isn't a ton but they do need to be gotten before a certain level. We're not talking a "I won't get this edge without being a douche bag" number of kills, but we're also not talking about a number that someone who really sucks is going to hit either.

Totally asking for a friend...

Just to confirm, the requirement is total PK wins *anywhere* in the level range 11-44?

I know there's a (reasonable) hesitancy to give out specifics, but my friend wants to make sure he's not wasting his time and annoying other people for no good reason.

With edge points being what they are, pick one medium cost edge that you know for sure makes a huge difference to the class, and then forget about edges. Exotic stuff like this is gone.

Imo, it's one of the strongest edges in the game and can and will make or break your success with a bard, especially if you are a skilled one. It can mean the difference between tough foe and nightmare to deal with.

It's pks before Fiend, it might be a few in every level range. If you got 30-35 kills pre fiend I think you would be ok, just spread them out.

Never had it, but looking through PBFs, I think Kyaltaru and Nerif are the only bards who have (outside of unpublished ones). Nerif had 27 Pks by 40, so that probably helps give an idea of the required number, since he only had 29 total.

Halting an occasional attack can be nice, but if that makes or breaks your success you're playing a bard wrong. There are so many far more important things to playing bards well than the edge. With lullaby & grand nocturne being what they are, and the player base largely knowing how easy it is to deal with those, preventing someone from engaging is probably more important for you being able to survive than it is for being able to kill people. Probably nice, but I can think of quite a few bard edges I'd rather have over that one, especially when you'll have less edge points in the current system.

It seems likely any area attack would bypass the edge, but I have no idea if that's the case.

Funny thing though, most players are never actually afraid of a bard that's alone in PK :) I'd say next to a healer, they are the least feared class in CF. And even a healer might be scarier since they have gate.

I've seen some logs of it in action making people miss 5/6 skills before. If you are fighting any sort of warrior or fighting class, it can mean surviving or dying. Say goodbye to bash from greeting warriors, throw lag, bearcharge lag, etc etc.

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Nerif deleted early out of boredom with the char. He could have cleaned house if he wanted to. Just in case you were looking at his 29pks total and thinking the edge isn't that good because of it.

It is a gamechanger.

For what it's worth, I'd rephrase to "daunting presence can be insane". Even when assuming a bard with high charisma and very high morale, there are countermeasures. Perhaps because it's an edge as opposed to a class ability, or because it's uncommon, or who knows, folks seem to have assumed that because daunting presence has looked good that it is automatically always that good, which is false.

I'll leave people with this: there are a lot of times you can give less than two ####s about morale, but fighting a bard with daunting presence shouldn't be one of them. And that's where something like a seemingly worthless inspiration prep comes in handy, amongst other things.

I was told by someone that had it for an extended period of time that daunting presence seemed to grow in power the more pks you get. So it starts out when you get it at a baseline, but has a great amount of potential as you get deadlier and deadlier to become a factor. Any truth to that?

>I was told by someone that had it for an extended period of
>time that daunting presence seemed to grow in power the more
>pks you get. So it starts out when you get it at a baseline,
>but has a great amount of potential as you get deadlier and
>deadlier to become a factor. Any truth to that?

Zero truth.

nt