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Topic subjectLash -- I am stumped.
Topic URLhttps://forums.carrionfields.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=51151
51151, Lash -- I am stumped.
Posted by FlailWhipSpec on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
What criteria are involved for the success of lash on a flail/whip spec?

A grep of the last pk fights of this char shows 1 success in 32 attempts with a 100% skill. I can not figure out what to change to improve it to the "somewhat reliable" stage. Morale was neutral or better for all attempts.
51159, Needs more info
Posted by Iklahn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
What lvl? What are your stats looking like? Are you slowed? Is foe hasted? Whats hit roll? Are you wielding a whip with a low skill %? Are you wielding a flail with a low skill %?

Something about what you are saying doesn't quite add up right and with more info from you it would be possible to sort it all out.
51161, What lvl? -- seriously, your posts often ask too many details that you cannot fields yourself anways nt
Posted by CD on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
nt
51162, Well, if you know the answers for him, do share
Posted by Iklahn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
What I am attempting to do is figure out the possible hows and whys based on the knowledge I have. Sorry if that's inconvenient for you?
51154, RE: Lash -- I am stumped.
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
It's pretty close to a straight (fractional) skill check in most cases. For a whip/flail spec it should land more than half the time in almost any circumstance.
51157, Something seems off then
Posted by KaguMaru on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
The chances of 31 failiures in 32 attempts at a 50% success rate approach the astronomical, far less than one in a million.

Also, having gotten close to 100% in shield cleave on a third character without seeing anything but a 'narrowly misses' echo - is it possible certain skills had values changed in the server move which makes them essentially never land?
51180, TY!
Posted by Flailwhipspec on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
n/t
51152, I already tried a forum search
Posted by Flailwhipspec on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I learned a few interesting things like cheapshot and lash were altered so that cheapshot + lash does not equal permalag, and confirmed that flailwhipspecs have some bonus to chances of success with lash, but nothing about the basic skill itself or why it would miss.
51155, RE: I already tried a forum search
Posted by Eskelian on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
See I'd love to answer your question but I've had a few flail/whip specs and I've never had lash miss 31/32 times when perfected. I didn't get a count at 75% because I always solo-ranked/perfected lash long before it was a spec skill of mine.

Are you serious when you say it missed 31 times out of 32 tries or are you exaggerating? Because if it missed 31 times I have no idea...even as a conjurer or ranger - other classes where I've had rare occasion to find lash useful, it's never missed *THAT* much. It's a lot like that shield cleave thread where the guy says he missed 100% of the time...I've never had that happen so I don't know how to answer that.
51168, I am manually looking at each instance and will repost when done.
Posted by Flailwhipspec on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
For example, it makes sense to remove symphonic echoes effects from the count.

51170, RE: I am manually looking at each instance and will repost when done.
Posted by Eskelian on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Right. See what's the kind of thing I mean, you can't count missing against say, a mongoose - or while under the effects of bard distort (whatever its called now) because then you're not so much talking about how good or bad lash is but how good or bad those abilities are.

In a straight fight with it mastered and you're within 1 size category of the enemy it feels like its 75-85% accurate.