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29822, Can you help me with a few more ranger answers?
Posted by NewbieRanger on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Sorry for these dumb questions, but I have alot of them when it comes to rangers.
1. Wood Elf Savage/Swamp is a very good build? Why is that?
2. What are stronger ranger builds than Wood Elf savage/swamp?
3. With a wood elf and being neutral, is it a legitimate role play to attack anyone who enters the woods? You think those who dont belong in the woods should stay out, or die. IS that a legitimate Role a wood elf/neutral can play within outlander?
4. Why is wood elf such a strong build for rangers? They get some kind of bonus to their attacks? IS that just because they're wood elves and from the woods? Would I get some kind of penalty from the IMMs for attacking an elf who not outlander because he stepped foot in the woods?
*like I said, probably dumb questions to most of you*
5. I dont see me being a cloud giant bearcharge machine, so what other builds are good at pking? I want to pk alot because that's what is interesting to me. What are strong felar builds? I know of sulye, and looked at some of his logs. What is his build? Would you consider it a strong build?
6. Nreisshe(spelling) is near the top of the total pk count. What build was he?
7. What are just basic roles one could have within Outlander? I can only look up so much on this site.
8. Felars get claw attack with their spear, so would they be the most "deadly" rangers just because of the number of attacks they can get?
9. Have their been any successful wood elf characters that I can look up?
10. Ok, last question, I want to be pking but dont want to bearcharge them to death. I mean I can bearcharge some, but I dont want to do that over and over, so having the skill at my disposal is nice. Which ranger build is best for straight pking? SNare has killed me in the past, so most likely something with snare in it?
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29843, RE: Can you help me with a few more ranger answers?
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Other people have covered a lot of this. I'm just going to add a few comments.
1) People aren't kidding or being glib when they say that strength of a build is situational/relative. Seriously! You may want to start trying to think of characters in terms of when it would be strong, or what it would be good at, or what kinds of characters it would be good at being.
2) Along those lines, you also might want to ask yourself what kinds of fights your character is likely to get. Typically I think people make an Outlander ranger with visions of mowing down people coming through the wilderness to the Outlander cabal to get their item back. Your mileage may vary, but for me playing a character like that I'll probably end up having many more fights in Galadon or the Tribunal Spire. Similarly, the fights/terrains/situations that a Nexus ranger deals with are going to look really different again.
3) You probably want to draw a distinction between being able to 'win' a fight in the sense that the other guy has to run for it, and being able to actually kill someone. Because of that, you may want to have a plan for how your character might typically kill people. To use one of your examples, in most players' hands I find felar ranger with a staff or spear to be a character that's excellent in outfighting people but one that has a very hard time actually killing them. Common kill strategies might include command denial, being able to put out a high amount of damage in a short period of time (e.g. high-strength sword warrior that cracks out the flurry when their opponent gets somewhat hurt), or being able to keep your opponent from escaping you.
4) Other people have different opinions, but when I create a ranger I have a very hard time giving up bearcharge or snare for the most part. I won't say never give up either, but I wouldn't give up either lightly -- if you're going to, have the sense that you're getting something that's really good for the plan that you have in mind for it.
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29830, You'll get various opinions, here are some of mine.
Posted by Many Rangers on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
>Sorry for these dumb questions, but I have alot of them when >it comes to rangers. > >1. Wood Elf Savage/Swamp is a very good build? Why is that?
Others have covered this but the main benefits to this build are the wood-elf bonuses to entangle, ambush and ranger staff/spear layered on top of the the savage protection from metals, ambush benefit, brutal rush, savage blow lag morale benefit of warpaint combined with the plague/poison to the staff/spear, mosquitoes and pursuit of the swampdweller.
Combined it means that you can hit like a truck with very modest equipment and can wear people down with the plague/poison/backrake/mosquitoes and leeches. The upside is that all but the leeches and pursuit work outside the swamps. Plus in the swamps you get swampmire so as a ranger you have dodge/parry/wilderness familiarity/evade and swampmire to all kick in to avoid attacks.
>2. What are stronger ranger builds than Wood Elf savage/swamp?
Depends on where you are. In a cave, the svirf/d-elf built caverndweller with rock your world with cavernfall. On the waters, a storm savage can take out even the biggest warrior.
You will face uphill PK odds (everyone will be higher level than you) until hero. And other builds will make you less vulnerable to magic (e.g. svirf/explorer)
> >3. With a wood elf and being neutral, is it a legitimate role >play to attack anyone who enters the woods? You think those >who dont belong in the woods should stay out, or die. IS that >a legitimate Role a wood elf/neutral can play within >outlander?
I think you'd have better luck working this as attacking those who you have a reason to believe would harm the wilds. Attacking an elf bard who's just coming to sing a few restful songs is different than attacking an orc who's coming to destroy and plunder the herd of deer.
> >4. Why is wood elf such a strong build for rangers? They get >some kind of bonus to their attacks? IS that just because >they're wood elves and from the woods? Would I get some kind >of penalty from the IMMs for attacking an elf who not >outlander because he stepped foot in the woods?
You could build some kind of xenophobic role that let you attack anyone you didn't know or trust but you'd really need to think out the role and spell it out in your role for the Imms to see.
>*like I said, probably dumb questions to most of you* > >5. I dont see me being a cloud giant bearcharge machine, so >what other builds are good at pking? I want to pk alot because >that's what is interesting to me. What are strong felar >builds? I know of sulye, and looked at some of his logs. What >is his build? Would you consider it a strong build?
Sulye could probably have made a pk machine out of an elf hunter. I couldn't, but that player probably could've.
>6. Nreisshe(spelling) is near the top of the total pk count. >What build was he?
I think Nreisshe was a felar/beastmaster/caverndweller.
> >7. What are just basic roles one could have within Outlander? >I can only look up so much on this site.
Frankly, there are a lot of roles within Outlander from the sunny "I want to enjoy nature and sing praises to it" to the dark "I want to hunt and kill like a wild predator with freedom from all restraint" and most of the ones in between. It's one of the strong appeals to Outlander for me in that you can have somewhat open conflict within the cabal that disappears the moment the Refuge comes under attack.
> >8. Felars get claw attack with their spear, so would they be >the most "deadly" rangers just because of the number of >attacks they can get?
Wood-elves make stronger spears/staves and because they're higher intelligence and woodsy, they learn a lot of ranger skills faster. Over time that may not make a lot of difference.
>9. Have their been any successful wood elf characters that I >can look up?
Success is in the eye of the beholder. I don't know of any really huge pk numbers from wood-elf rangers because most folks with them move on before racking them up. I do know with my last one I managed to pk some of the toughest characters playing at the time while only dying when I was being too cocky in civilized areas or just generally suicidal.
> >10. Ok, last question, I want to be pking but dont want to >bearcharge them to death. I mean I can bearcharge some, but I >dont want to do that over and over, so having the skill at my >disposal is nice. Which ranger build is best for straight >pking? SNare has killed me in the past, so most likely >something with snare in it?
Snares are great when they work. They often don't, you can't always put them where you'd like to and there's a timer on them. Frankly, rangers are really good in a a few pk situations, okay in others and pathetic in a LOT of other cases. You'll need some knowledge of preps to be even remotely successful over the long run.
Note, having bearcharge doesn't mean it works equally well with all builds. Hunter bearcharges are utterly worthless for lag unless the plan is to lag yourself while not affecting your opponent at all. Giants are good at lag but even a giant hunter won't lag with bearcharge.
My best advice - just build a good-aligned human survivalist/forester and rank it up and play with it as a throw-away learning character. Choose good because you can request equipment and get the exp benefit of killing evil mobs and other goods will likely help you out if you ask nicely. Then come back and build what you think will suit your style of play the best.
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29828, RE: Can you help me with a few more ranger answers?
Posted by Daurwyn2 on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
>Sorry for these dumb questions, but I have alot of them when >it comes to rangers. > >1. Wood Elf Savage/Swamp is a very good build? Why is that? >
Well, they get plague (from their extra nice wood-elf staff), and mosquitos, don't need gear to be dangerous, hit damn hard with ambushes. They can lag people, and they can cover the wood-elf's vulnerability to metals. And maces.
They have good dex, and they get bonuses to various skills.
>2. What are stronger ranger builds than Wood Elf savage/swamp? >
It all depends how you play them. Wood-elf is a good all-rounder.
> >3. With a wood elf and being neutral, is it a legitimate role >play to attack anyone who enters the woods? You think those >who dont belong in the woods should stay out, or die. IS that >a legitimate Role a wood elf/neutral can play within >outlander? >
That's a legitimate role, although if you never come out of the wood (e.g. to retrieve your item), people are going to consider you a coward.
But then, Nreisshe was a bit like that, and racked up a hell of a lot of pks (outside the fortress mostly from what I recall)
>4. Why is wood elf such a strong build for rangers? They get >some kind of bonus to their attacks? IS that just because >they're wood elves and from the woods? Would I get some kind >of penalty from the IMMs for attacking an elf who not >outlander because he stepped foot in the woods? > >
Probably not, if your role explained it.
>*like I said, probably dumb questions to most of you* > >5. I dont see me being a cloud giant bearcharge machine, so >what other builds are good at pking? I want to pk alot because >that's what is interesting to me. What are strong felar >builds? I know of sulye, and looked at some of his logs. What >is his build? Would you consider it a strong build? >
Suyle was a basic build I think. The ones that get no modifications from an old school ranger. But Sulye is very experienced, EXTREMELY patient, and uses preps very well indeed.
>6. Nreisshe(spelling) is near the top of the total pk count. >What build was he? >
Cant' remember, but he basically just sat outside the fortress picking people off, so I wouldn't put too much weight on that.
>7. What are just basic roles one could have within Outlander? >I can only look up so much on this site. >
There are all kinds of roles you can have within outlander. Basically you Outlanders are trying to return Thera to being like "Thar-Eris", which is a kind of natural world (although not a nice fluffy one). So you just need a reason to be living the life of an outlander (which could be any number of things), and a reason for wanting Thar-Eris back (potentially).
>8. Felars get claw attack with their spear, so would they be >the most "deadly" rangers just because of the number of >attacks they can get? >
Not really. Ranger staffs are very nice though (wood-elves make better ones than other races). The staffs heal you, and depending on what kind of ranger you are, can have other properties (e.g. swampdwellers' can plague). Felar are the only ones that can dual wield whilst using a staff. Other rangers can just wield two weapons where neither is a staff. A drow beastmaster, for example, will pour out damage if dual wielding fists (because of the predator's stance skill).
>9. Have their been any successful wood elf characters that I >can look up? >
Not sure. But seriously, they are good rangers.
>10. Ok, last question, I want to be pking but dont want to >bearcharge them to death. I mean I can bearcharge some, but I >dont want to do that over and over, so having the skill at my >disposal is nice. Which ranger build is best for straight >pking? SNare has killed me in the past, so most likely >something with snare in it? >
You could just take old school ranger. Forester survivalist or whatever it is.
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29831, RE: Can you help me with a few more ranger answers?
Posted by Nreisshe on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Ohh, I can live with a lot of mudslinging but that just hits a nerve.
You've been a bit clueless lately and I find myself questioning your credibility, Daurwyn, but at least here I can correct you that if you think I "sat outside the fortress all the time". I was all over the god damn world all the time, if I wasn't trying to get a good opening on killing someone I had already found. Funny how you praise Sulye for being patient, and then diss me right after... why so bitter? Maybe I caught you with your pants down, or maybe it's because I had better things to do than run around gathering preps and giving unkillable people "fair fights", since despite what Nep says on my PBF, I wasn't ever prepped up to the teeth; frenzy, my questskill and prot vs. good hardly counts as that.
And for the newbie ranger: rangers are a stealth class, play it like one. A lot of folks cry foul and say stealth, fighting on your terms and picking the right moment to attack are for cowards, but I've never put much weight on those opinions, there are more varied skills applicable to this game than "chases well" or "has awesome gear" or "knows plague malison" or "bash". Make use of that hard-to-surpass mobility and stay on the move, then appear out of nowhere to hit hard when it counts.
Also, Nreisshe started out as a pre-revamp ranger, which is about the same as forester survivalist, but spent the last few hundred hours as a mountaineer beastmaster. If I was going to do it again? I'm not sure, but you can bet I wouldn't take a combo that forsakes snare or bearcharge, those pretty much are the money-maker skills of ranger life. And I'd definitely do that as felar, wood-elf and cloud giant may be better in some aspects but for sneakiness and SUDDEN FURY, I'd put felar at the top. You can also be evil, a neutral shouldn't be so murderous as I got to be. Murder is fun!
Now looking back at what I wrote, despite toning down my acidity a few notches already, I think I may sound a little bitter and defensive. But I guess I'll post anyway, I AM feeling a little bitter and defensive about the subject. It won't happen again, promise. :P
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29842, RE: Can you help me with a few more ranger answers?
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
>since despite what Nep says >on my PBF, I wasn't ever prepped up to the teeth; frenzy, my >questskill and prot vs. good hardly counts as that.
Putting aside no small number of Nreisshe fights I saw with at least that stuff plus haste...
Well, put it this way: it took at least until Sulye several years later to see a ranger who used as many preps as regularly as Nreisshe. I think Nreisshe still at least ties for most prep-ful ranger of the decade if not all time and what I wrote is still relatively fair, even if it didn't feel like "a lot" to you.
I wouldn't have managed that kind of success with a long-lived felar ranger, so don't think I'm exclusively critical of that character either.
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29848, RE: Can you help me with a few more ranger answers?
Posted by Nreisshe on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Point understood.
I'd still argue about the haste part though, I think the only time I had it reliably was when I had the strange bracers for a short (I think maybe... 30-40 hours tops?) while. Funny how they make you feel so invincible and prone to losing them.
Outside that, after getting double unspeak'd and not getting a command in while trying to get the only haste talisman I knew of I decided it wasn't worth the effort, limiting my haste use to a handful of times, IIRC.
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29849, I probably watched Nreisshe more than anyone else.
Posted by Lyristeon on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Kills that happened at the fortress, from what I saw, were not "camping" kills. Meaning that if you were the target and you were in the fortress, she was going to attack you when you left. If nobody was in or near the fortress, she would go out and look for you. She wasn't camping hoping someone would show up.
What did make Nreisshe special was that she had absolutely no problem with setting up an ambush for a group of characters. If she found a group in certain places, she would strike the group at the right time. More times than not, it was due to her patience in attacking a group that made it possible.
When a revamp goes in, as it did with the rangers during Nreisshe's lifetime, there is always the chance for something to go awry. This added to her pkills, but not all that much. She even reported it as something that didn't seem right. As a felar, there was little she could have done about it until the fix went in.
I see prepping as something not always necessary, but if you have them, you should use them. I have played rangers that have had more preps than Nreisshe. They were good-aligned, so the pkills were never that high. That being said, I think her build, alignment and skill had way more to do with her pk count than any chicanery that might be assumed by some of the player base.
I can also see how some players may have been rubbed the wrong way by Nreisshe as well. But, it appeared to me that was more alignment based than player based with this character. I only say it this way because I have no idea who the actual player is, which is the way I prefer it, and other imms may know something that I do not.
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29850, RE: Can you help me with a few more ranger answers?
Posted by Isildur on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
C'mon- I didn't use much besides outlander preps. Frenzy, enlarge, protection vs. align (when it mattered), and *maybe* aura. The rest was outlander stuff. Unless my outlander stuff "failed to work", in which case I might try a non-outlander version of that same effect (but only if I had one on hand, which wans't always).
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29851, RE: Can you help me with a few more ranger answers?
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I'm not necessarily contesting that, but every other ranger I've watched generally used less.
Sometimes being the most prepwhoreful ranger is like being the smartest guy in remedial math. :)
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29853, And, given your results
Posted by Daurwyn2 on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Do you not think that you used preps very well indeed? Using too many preps is not something I would describe as using them very well indeed. (For example, you will not find me saying someone who uses abs for every fight uses preps very well.)
Take the time you snared and killed me for example.
You snared me. You prepped to enlarge. You used a prep to increase your damage. You waylaid, bearcharged, and compeltely destroyed me. Other than slapping haste on yourself (which based on what you said, you also did a fair bit?), what more was there to do that would have been useful? Not that many rangers I know of used to prep to increase their damroll prior to their ambush.
The fact you didn't bother with dam redux for that fight was completely sensible imho.
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29859, He's a catnip whore.
Posted by Forsakenz on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Issy loves it. Probably plays only felars just to use it!
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29863, RE: And, given your results
Posted by Isildur on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
>Do you not think that you used preps very well indeed?
Based on my style of play, I suppose yes. If I were going to take on multiple opponents without first snaring them then I might have wanted some aura/shield in addition to all the outlander stuff.
Most of the time, though, I was fighting a single opponent and the objective was to jack up my damage output and lag ability as far as possible.
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29866, And don't I know it
Posted by incognito on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Grrr!
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29852, I don't think I ever died to Nreisshe
Posted by Daurwyn2 on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
And I didn't exactly praise Sulye for being patient. I said Sulye was effective largely because of extreme patience. What I meant by that is that Sulye actually figured out the habits of most enemies, by observing them and using track over a very sustained period.
What I said about you isn't a criticism or compliment. It was intended to be a simple statement of fact. If it is inaccurate, I apologise. Perhaps I've placed too much weight on what I was hearing about the character. It is, however, fairly true to say that if you were on, I was happy to wander the wilds (not rank though), as long as I didn't go near the fortress, and I don't think I ever got attacked by you (but I did hear you'd killed more people by the fortress whilst I was wandering around, typically).
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29855, Finally (sorry for separate posts)
Posted by Daurwyn2 on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Just taken a look at your pbf, to see if my impression was unjustified, and it seems that whilst you did do other stuff, there's not a lot that I said that isn't supported by at least one imm comment on your pbf.
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29864, RE: I don't think I ever died to Nreisshe
Posted by Nreisshe on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
So basically, you're saying your fact is all based on second-hand information, and that because you never happened to die to me because you weren't at the fortress, camping there is all I did. Got it. When Sulye is effective because of extreme patience and tracking people around, that means Isildur is very clever and awesome. When I do it, it means I'm a fortress-camper. Got it.
That's what rubs me wrong about this case here, if you're going to call something lame, then please, don't play favorites. I can't remember what exactly my PBF says and since kills weren't tracked back then I can't point out that a mere fraction of them would be on the mountains near fort, I do have everything logged but they're on another computer and I don't care *that* much.
And as far as the personal jab about your credibility, well, sorry. I've calmed down now and can explain that it isn't about misinformation, but instead attitudes towards information. You know, the whole recent debate. Your stance stuck me as such incredible elitism and "will somebody think of the children" that it baffled me coming from you, and I respectfully disagree.
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29865, RE: I don't think I ever died to Nreisshe
Posted by Nreisshe on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
And to continue with the theme of multiposting, sorry for the thread hijack. I'm done now, no more ranting!
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29878, I always looked at you like Manarei.
Posted by TMNS_lazy on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Deadly as hell (I'd daresay you killed 23461847627846781246786 more in Mines or other ranking places than the Fort) but very cautious (not necessarily in the bad way, your results speak for themselves).
Basically when I had a hero ranger around during Nreisshe's time, I knew if I was alone in the woods I'd really have to be worried, but if I was in civilization with a couple cabal allies or groupmates I wouldn't have to worry nearly as much.
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29879, Meant to say hero range character, not ranger. NT
Posted by TMNS_lazy on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
NT
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29867, Interestingly
Posted by incognito on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I've just posted the start of a newbie guide.
I'm not sure it's fair to say that it was all second hand info, as me hearing that you'd just killed people at the fortress whilst wandering around elsewhere in the wilds isn't exactly second hand.
But anyway, it wasn't intended to be a dig at Nreisshe. More to point out that if you stay in the wilds, you will get criticised for it, but also that it is still theoretically possible (as proven by yourself) to rack up a LOT of pk's if you do. So to that extent, it could almost have been considered a compliment. (Although it wasn't intended to be a compliment either, in all honestly. It was just meant to illustrate the above points.)
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29854, Oh, and
Posted by Daurwyn2 on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Did you or did you not get called a coward for not coming out of the wilds? If you read my post, you'll see that I said that IF he didn't come out of the woods, he'd get called a coward. Then that made me think of Nreisshe, which reminded me you racked up a hell of a lot of pk's.
I think you misinterpreted the post.
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29856, Out of interest
Posted by Daurwyn2 on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
What exactly have I said that has been factually incorrect that I haven't immediately taken back if presented with evidence to the contrary?
On the other hand, to take a recent example, I believe a couple of days ago I was the ONLY person saying that shield of slime did allow the bash to work, just not often, and that turns out to have been accurate.
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29858, I thought everyone knew that about SoS.
Posted by Forsakenz on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Just saying.
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29888, The incorrect statement
Posted by DurNominator on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
>What exactly have I said that has been factually incorrect >that I haven't immediately taken back if presented with >evidence to the contrary?
I think that your statement below (in italics) is false, because of the word mostly. Nreisshe did kill people outside the Fortress but not mostly so. I played Theannian (Outlander elf healer) in the same time as Nreisshe and saw Nreisshe wander around in many different areas. In all those areas, Nreisshe was there for only a short while, moving on to another place quickly. This includes outside the Fortress.
Nreisshe was, like he claims and Lyristeon confirms, pretty much hunting everywhere being an antithesis of a camping ranger. Therefore, I think it is clear that Nreisshe likely didn't rack most of his PK's outside the Fortress, which makes your statement false. If Nreisshe never attacked you, that is probably because you two didn't end up in a situation where Nreisshe thought he'd get a kill if he attacked you. Nreisshe didn't generally fight to get the people run away, he stalked the prey and waited for a chance to get a kill. That and utilizing the high mobility of a ranger were what made Nreisshe so deathful.
But then, Nreisshe was a bit like that, and racked up a hell of a lot of pks (outside the fortress mostly from what I recall)
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29893, Depends how you interpret it
Posted by Daurwyn2 on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
If you interpret it as "outside the fortress more than everywhere else put together", then yes, it is.
If you interpret it as "outside the fortress more than any other specific location", then I'm not convinced that it is (although it might still be, because the refuge ought to be a strong contender, depending on how big the raiding groups were).
To be honest, I hadn't thought of it in enough detail to mean either one or the other.
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29894, RE: Depends how you interpret it
Posted by DurNominator on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
>If you interpret it as "outside the fortress more than >everywhere else put together", then yes, it is. > >If you interpret it as "outside the fortress more than any >other specific location", then I'm not convinced that it is >(although it might still be, because the refuge ought to be a >strong contender, depending on how big the raiding groups >were).
If we assume that outside Fortress was more common than any other location and the distribution looked something like this(I made this up as real figures are nowhere to be found):
10% Outside Fortress 9% Refuge and outside of it 8% Mount Calandaryl 8% Slave mines of Sitran 8% Mount Kiadana-Rah 8% Aran'Gird 8% Organia ..
The presented distribution fills the criteria you gave in your latter definition, but it would be anal of you to make a statement that in fact gives an impression that Nreisshe was camping outside the Fortress like some rangers do when that was not the case.
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29827, RE: Can you help me with a few more ranger answers?
Posted by Isildur on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
>1. Wood Elf Savage/Swamp is a very good build? Why is that? >2. What are stronger ranger builds than Wood Elf savage/swamp?
"Stronger than" is not a well-defined relationship when it comes to stuff like this. Certain builds are better in certain situations, or against certain opponents. Certain builds may also fit better with certain play styles. I don't think you can say that other ranger builds are categorically "stronger than" other ones in the general sense.
Personally, wood-elf swamp savage doesn't really appeal to me, but then again I haven't played one.
>3. With a wood elf and being neutral, is it a legitimate role >play to attack anyone who enters the woods?
You would really need to have something in your role to justify that. Neutral characters generally don't attack anyone and everyone. If you want to have total freedom to attack whoever you please, then evil's the way to go. Of course that rules out wood-elves and cloud giants.
>4. Why is wood elf such a strong build for rangers? They get >some kind of bonus to their attacks?
I think they get bonuses to certain ranger skills. They have better ranger weapons, I know that much, and I think they cast rangery spells at a higher level than non-wood-elves. May also get a boost to wilderness familiarity.
>5. I dont see me being a cloud giant bearcharge machine, so >what other builds are good at pking?
Honestly, cloud giant + bearcharge + snare + preps is like shooting fish in a barrel. If you get someone snared and they're not protected against bash, then 9 times out of 10 they're dead. If you're not the best PK guy around and just want to kill some people, that's a really easy way to do it. Then again, as a cloud giant, you'll run into role issues if you start popping random folks.
>What are strong felar >builds? I know of sulye, and looked at some of his logs. What >is his build? Would you consider it a strong build?
I was a Forester/Survivalist, which is the "basic" ranger build from before terrain/expertise specialization was added.
Just off the top of my head, I can't think of any builds that are especially bad or good in relation to felar. Obviously you can't be a mariner due to the hydrophobia. Those builds with the "sure footing" skill are a little more attractive for a felar, compared to a giant, since felar are more likely to get bashed.
>6. Nreisshe(spelling) is near the top of the total pk count. >What build was he?
When the main site comes back up you can figure this out by looking at his PBF post. I seem to recall he was a Plainsrunner, but beyond that I'm not sure. Maybe Beastmaster.
>7. What are just basic roles one could have within Outlander? >I can only look up so much on this site.
Its pretty open. All you need to do with your role is explain why your character would want to join a cabal like Outlander, which wants to tear down civilization.
When I interviewed people, I always wanted to see that they were into the "mystical" side of Outlander too. Lots of times someone would basically just tell me, "I want to kill people and burn down the cities," without giving me much else.
>8. Felars get claw attack with their spear, so would they be >the most "deadly" rangers just because of the number of >attacks they can get?
Really depends on the situation. Claw attacks won't exploit a vulnerability. If you're up against a dark-elf, then a non-felar wielding two mithril weapons might be better off than a felar.
From the perspective of combined offense/defense, felar + ranger spear/staff is pretty nice. You get the benefit of your healing and high-average ranger weapon without having to give up dual-wield.
>9. Have their been any successful wood elf characters that I >can look up?
Not many. Check Dio's "PK Stats" tool, which is based on data pulled from PBF posts. According to that tool, the most pkills ever by a wood-elf ranger was 22. That was in 154 hours played. So if that guy had played 700 hours he'd have gotten 100 kills, assuming his PKpH stayed the same. (Which is a big assumption.)
>Which ranger build is best for straight >pking? SNare has killed me in the past, so most likely >something with snare in it?
Again, it depends on the situation. There is no single build that is hands down "the best" for "straight pking".
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29824, About rangers.
Posted by Forsakenz on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Here's the best advice I can give if you want to rack up pks.
Prepare for boredom.
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29836, I love rangers.
Posted by TMNS_lazy on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
But I totally agree with this.
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29823, RE: Can you help me with a few more ranger answers?
Posted by Lyristeon on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
The answer to most of these questions is, "The player behind the character makes the most difference as to how good a build is."
A wood-elf, by the help file, is a woodland elf. They are more naturally adept at things that other races have to learn.
Neutral ethos can be outlanders.
There have been positive pk ratios with every ranger build. Some players are just better than others at certain things.
Nreisshe can be looked up in the Premium Battlefield.
The best build for pking is to be smarter than the person you are pking most of the time. There is no best build.
Judging by the questions you are asking, I would avoid being an animist.
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29833, Holy crap!
Posted by TMNS_lazy on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Everything work out with the company/patents/marketing and ####?
You coming back when CF comes back up?
Is this a true gaping maw moment?
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29834, RE: Holy crap!
Posted by Lyristeon on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I *might* be getting some free time here in the next month or two. We shall see.
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29838, I hope so
Posted by Onewingedangel on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
You were my favorite person for druid empowerments. It would be really awesome if you came back, especially since, even though they just gained an Imm, outlander has been a bit lacking in the Imm department. Although I'm sure you already knew that...and now I'm rambling. Anyway, Hope everything works out, would love to see you in the fields again!
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29841, Dude you were one of the best IMM's ever, please come back, we need you so bad~
Posted by Triphitn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
ntnt
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29857, Why not an Animalist?
Posted by RangerNewbie on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
They for the more experienced?
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29862, RE: Why not an Animalist?
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
An animist is probably more of a finesse ranger, yeah. They get some pretty handy things but the best ways to use them are less intuitive than some other ranger choices, I'd say.
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