I toss a couple lines to the guy who did it to feel him out. Just to see if he's sifting gear or what ever. Here's what happens.

He said he did it because the character had gear he came by conveniently easy.

Well so what? It just so happens I came across the same gear because I know where to look. Some of my gear I beat my team mate to and he and I bartered back and forth on and it was how we formed a partnership.


It really puts a downer on my day to know people like this thrive here.

Further more I think the guy was playing a duergar earlier and was beaten by my team mates. I think he came back with this character for revenge. Verbage and style of talking are the same. Who knows though right?

Anyone else thing this is ####ty or is it just me? And what are opinions on me having no interaction with the character either in battle or by conversation even if I would normally have to? I simply don't want to give this guy what he wants.

I personally don't understand the mentality of wanting to #### over and drive other players away.

Thoughts on this?

It's nice and sportsmanlike if they leave your gear be, but the fact is that they get to take whatever they like from your corpse. You would be better off with an attitude where you acknowledge this, accept it, suck it up and regear if it happens.

Thinking that others have obligation to leave your gear be will only make you more angry when you get full looted/sacced. You getting angry over full loot and whining isn't fun for neither yourself nor the other party.

As for looting corpses, take whatever you want, even all of it, but don't be a #### on purpose (full saccing/looting just to spite the other person). You should also take an attitude that the other person isn't taking your stuff to grief you, he's just helping himself to the gear as it is the victor's right to do so. In most cases, this is the best attitude to take as assuming can make an ass out of you.

Nothing. Try again.

The loot and it bugging you played a part in your post and I didn't really read the end part.

What comes to your cheating accusations, take it to the Imms, via e-mail or in game, and don't whine about it in the forums.

Anyway, that's my take on things.

Fdg

One, I am not the shaman

two, I never spoke to any of you except the thief, no way to recognize my speech patterns unless you're pasting tells ooc.

I can't prove that. You were pretty ####ing weak.

Then you should never be really upset.

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Equipment is a big part of the game and it's valuable. While having good equipment is going to give you a mechanical advantage in the game, it's going to make you a target because it's a limited resource.

While killing for equipment is rarely the sole motivator in a PK, it can be a big one. Your enemies probably have valid RP reasons to attack you, but having equipment they want might put you at the top of the list.

Crafted's argument is perfectly valid. Not wearing sought-after equipment isn't going to keep you safe from everyone all the time, but it's likely to keep you safer from some people some of the time.

Poor people rarely get mugged.
Your house can't get robbed if you don't have a house.

People can still PK you because you're a flamin' magi or because they just want to grief you, but they can't PK you for better equipment than theirs if your equipment isn't better than theirs. It's your choice whether you want to gain an advantage by having good equipment while at the same time providing another incentive for some people to kill you.

You're lagic is flawed.

This persons ooc motivation was grief. Plain and simple. It shouldn't be tolerated. IMHO.

That's your opinion, but until being a meanie is against the rules, your humble opinion means ####. Nobody has to be nice to you or your group mate. Get the #### over it already.

As for my logic, pick on one phrase if you like, but my post is perfectly logical. If you don't have stuff I want, I'm not going to be killing for stuff. I might kill you over ideology, revenge, etc., but not for profit (so to speak). If you don't have shinies, people won't target you FOR shinies. You'll get killed though, and you'll still cry and bitch and need Tylenol for your aching ####.

Nobody but the guy who killed the other guy knows for sure why what happened did, but nobody has posted anything at all to suggest that it was anything but a normal, routine, run of the mill, totally acceptable lowbie PK.

Opinion and Fact are not synonyms.

I don't give a flying #### about what demographic of people gets robbed the most in real life. The point stands: Nobody is likely to kill you for your possessions in CF if your possessions are less valuable than theirs. You're a ####. You're a soft, whiny bitch, and you're rambling about one tiny flaw in a post I wrote in 30 seconds because you yourself don't actually have anything to say (through your tears) besides some #### about how you don't like the way you and your pals were treated.

Tough ####.

I totally understand the concept of wearing crappy equipment to avoid getting PK'ed.

But this guy was talking about being griefed. What CraftedD just suggested was to wear crappy equipment to avoid being griefed.

Except... the griefer's motivations have nothing to do with equipment. He's going to do what he does regardless of what equipment you're wearing. What CraftedD just suggested is the equivalent of "She shouldn't have led him on" in a rape case.

ntnt

group mates.

The point of the post isn't about gear at all. The point of the post is the motivation of the guy who did this to my group mate.

I think we could do without and be better for it.

If the guy died to someone who was just out to terrorize his lowbie PK range, fine, he got griefed and no, wearing fine leather won't make it any less likely to happen (though it will make it funnier).

> "He said he did it because the character had gear he came by conveniently easy."

To me that reads like the killer though the guy came by a nice suit of limited gear through some unscrupulous means and felt like dispensing a little vigilante justice. Who knows though.

Either way, if you don't put a lot of effort into your equipment, you won't have lost as much time/energy when it's taken from you.

I shouldn't even say "could" as "Do" is a better word.

There are griefers in every game like this. Get thicker skin.

I certainly do see where the griefer's actions could negatively affect us all?

I'm not just naive enough to think that it's ever going to change so I adjust my expectations and play style to account for the fact that you simply cannot ban everyone who lets their anger, frustration, or douche-baggery bleed through their character at some point.

Unless you move to single player games, you are going to have to deal with people whose approach to the game doesn't jive with yours. Until the rules change, your options are to suck it up and deal or leave, and I'm more than a little bit cynical about how things would go if the Immortals tried to directly address "griefing" (as it exists in CF today) through policy.


Them's the breaks.

Sure, you won't die as much to people who are out killing for gear.

But you will die more to people who are killing for ideology.

Overall, you'll probably be worse off if you aim to have bad gear.

I'm less inclined to kill a lowbie/midbie in my range if I know they have junk for gear (and I don't need to for rp reasons).

Some others will see them as an easier target and attack them more.

Two things:

1. Newbies get killed more often because they make themselves available to be killed more often, and they are inherently easier to kill in any given encounter. So even if I'm not especially targeting newbies, I usually end up with more kills on players who "aren't that good" vs. the number of kills I get on players who are "good". I'd argue that's probably the case for any vet.

2. Sometimes I'll avoid characters who are so powerful that I know I have very little chance against them and they're decently likely to kill me in any encounter. Example: Dupmasione. If I were to get a fortress group snared, and Dupmasione was one of them, he's probably not the guy I'm going to attack for the simple reason that he's the least likely to actually die. So, sometimes non-vet players get targeted simply because the other option is just not very productive.