I'm curious, why/when did tame get nerfed? I haven't played in a good long while, but I've noticed that a lot of things that I used to be able to tame in the old days can no longer be tamed (i.e. 'too intelligent to tame' message).

It's not like the skill was overpowered but it makes a couple of the half-way decent ranger ranking areas kind of worthless now because the aggressive mobs aren't worth enough exp compared to the difficulty in killing them when you add in all the aggressiveness.

Which means the usable ranger ranking areas are even fewer now. :(

>I'm curious, why/when did tame get nerfed? I haven't played
>in a good long while, but I've noticed that a lot of things
>that I used to be able to tame in the old days can no longer
>be tamed (i.e. 'too intelligent to tame' message).

Sometime in the July/August timeframe we changed tame so it wouldn't work against dragons, devils, demons, undead, and anything that is denoted as "sentient".

Why? Because you don't get to tame humans, elves, gnomes, giants, etc. It just doesn't work because they are too intelligent.

>It's not like the skill was overpowered but it makes a couple
>of the half-way decent ranger ranking areas kind of worthless
>now because the aggressive mobs aren't worth enough exp
>compared to the difficulty in killing them when you add in all
>the aggressiveness.

It also really doesn't make sense that as a ranger you walk up to a super-aggro fire-giant who wants to kill you, and suddenly he's no longer interested in beating the snot out of you.

my felar ranger couldn't tame squat.

My guess would be it's based on the race itself. Some races can be tamed, others can't. Which races apply may have been determined by some hard number of int, but I doubt they're going to tell you the specific cutoff.

I doubt it's based on a comparison though. If tame were going to compare a stat, charisma makes more sense. A sentient being such as a human should be untamable, even to an elf.

For instance, how does Mark of the prey reveal the location of rangers in the wilds? Both visually and by paying for info on whereabouts? Don't assassins already have it good enough?

Why are crocs defensive forms even though in nature they are larger than gators?

Or why is a fox a top tier form? We're talking a 5lb animal here.

Why don't wood-elves sneak, at least in say, oh, the woods?

Why are felar allowed in Outlander when Minotaur aren't. Given their origins are similar.

How can a gnome hand spec cause serious harm to a fire-giant? (Even though he may not win)

How is it we can see from Galadon to Hamsah Mu'Tazz, a distance that seems like it would be hundreds of miles? Or across the oceans?

Or can use where in areas it should be impossible to see people.

I appreciate the logic of the changes to tame, but unless it was making rangers over powered, was their really any need?

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no science is better

>Sometime in the July/August timeframe we changed tame so it
>wouldn't work against dragons, devils, demons, undead, and
>anything that is denoted as "sentient".

And cactuses. Heh.

Actually, I noticed it on owlbears and kuo-toa slaves. I wouldn't have thought either of those things were considered 'sentient'.

Similar to Sahuagin. Thus sentient. Why else would they be called slaves and not beasts of burden.

Except that you can tame the sahuagin slaves on the same island. And they're miners with picks and everything.

If it were really about intelligence, then elves should be able to tame fire giants because of the disparity. I understand the limits on tame and thought previously they were fine even though you couldn't tame the undead or things like the headhunters in Mal'trakis. The current changes though really cripple ranking in some popular areas for rangers and there really aren't a whole heap of them around.

But taming isn't down to a disparity in intelligence.

Not with the cf definition of taming, anyway.

Yeah, I know. I was just carrying through the argument since the echo you get it that they are too intelligent to tame.

That doesn't imply an int comparrison. Just that the mob is at a level where soothing the savage beast doesn't apply.

Can't tame Owlbears, trolls, kuo-toa slaves.....none of which should warrant the 'sentient' tag.

It really has made tame a useless skill for the most part.

I could understand it if was OP'd to begin with but really.....

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