I was wondering what was up with elf learning rates. I haven't played an elf in maybe 4-5 years (and that was a bard) but I have played a few wood-elves, felar, cloud, and storm rangers maybe a year or so ago and they didn't seem that hard to advance skills.

My current elf ranger is in mid-20's.

Only 1 weapon mastered and no defenses mastered.

Int and Wis maxed since level 1

Always leveled alone.

Switched around weapons to try and maximise learning.

Have things been slowed down for elves over the years? To me, the one great advantage of elves is how fast they learn. And they need it given the fragility of the builds.

Okay, whine over, you can return to your regularly scheduled rants and raves.

>I was wondering what was up with elf learning rates.

>Have things been slowed down for elves over the years? To me,
>the one great advantage of elves is how fast they learn.

According to the stats I've kept track on learning rates based on intelligence of the character...nothing is wrong. The learning rates scale up as you would expect with 24&25 being the highest chance (the stats I keep are number of chances to learn vs. number of times actually learned per uptime).

>According to the stats I've kept track on learning rates based
>on intelligence of the character...nothing is wrong. The
>learning rates scale up as you would expect with 24&25 being
>the highest chance (the stats I keep are number of chances to
>learn vs. number of times actually learned per uptime).


After some further time, I think the biggest lag to learning I've seen has been with the weapons and defenses. The other skills, particularly ones you can command input (e.g. elbow) have risen fairly quickly like I would expect with high Int.

I've also noticed that learning from failures seems to have been toned down since I last played a year or so ago. Now I only seem to get 1 - 2% on failures when before I seem to recall regularly getting 2 - 3% with the same general Wis.

Anyway, I'm done whining. What is, is. Thanks for the time you Imms put into the game. That doesn't get said enough with the whining us crappy players do. :P

>I've also noticed that learning from failures seems to have
>been toned down since I last played a year or so ago. Now I
>only seem to get 1 - 2% on failures when before I seem to
>recall regularly getting 2 - 3% with the same general Wis.

Nope, nothing has changed there...that's just the RNG messing with you, it's always been 1-3 (though you probably notice the 1% far more often than 2% or 3%...I know I do).

Level with a group, so you can hit tougher mobs, so you spend more rounds in actual combat, letting your weapons do your damage as opposed to flee/ambush.

The XP Pen on Elf and the higher hp on harder mobs will slow you down the same way that learning alone with a dumb, hardier build will.

I actually figured the exp penalty on Elves would INCREASE the relative learning you'd have at any given level because it'd take more time to get there (i.e. more mobs to kill than say a human at the same level).

There'd have to be some benefit to being an elf to compensate for a PK list that has everyone 10 ranks above you in it.

Shouldn't there?

I meant slow down as in slow down how quickly you level, which means more time to take advantage of higher learning rates.

I think you have to look at it from a different perspective.

You were disadvantaged for three reasons.
1) Elf low hp
2) ranking alone
3) Ranger skill set.

1) Low hp means your fighting weaker mobs (mobs closer to your own rank, or even below which means you have a smaller chance to learn.

2) ranking alone there is a significant damage to mob decrease, combined with the low hp you cannot handle stronger mobs. As point 1 stated, more closer to your rank, or below. less chance to learn.

3) I tried a wild-elf ranger before, and tried ranking alone, typical output is Ambush. Flee. Camo. Ambush. Dead. Or you may stay after primary ambush, but even then the lesser mobs if you had a good weapon you did most of the work already. It equals less round combat, which is when you are primary defending.

Elf learning rates are perfectly fine.

I have had several elf paladins, i always love them because it basically meant no real time training skills. They do it in combat.
I have almost always had my defenses (included getting shield mastery) before the 25th rank.

My only human Paladin, he didnt get shield mastery until close to 45th.

I have seldom fought anything that didn't give me between 200-500 exp (solo) and I haven't been using the ambush-flee-ambush model all that much.

I've done a lot of rangers over the years, including a bunch of heroes of various races. So I'm decent about being able to kill fairly tough mobs, fairly easily on my own. (still suck at PK but that's a whole 'nother story).

My last elf, Firhindil, didn't perfect dodge until level 38 or so and parry was finally perfected on the mob right before I hit level 51. And I tanked a lot and fought in several pks.

I didn't even bother with weapons because it was so tedious.

Probably worth an imm investigating, especially since that code went in that made chars with less than 18 int learn as though they had 18 int. Seems fishy.

asdf

I don't know if 18 was the cutoff, but there is new code in place to boost the learning rates of the really low int races. This is likely a response to the way bards and transmuters can annihilate low int classes by exploiting the mental vuln. Now that there's enough of a drawback to having low low int, the learning doesn't need to be quite as slow.

Maybe you should pay better attention to the announcement forum.

http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=3&topic_id=1816&mesg_id=1816&page=

That's cool and all for the lower int races but doesn't that make playing an elf or dark-elf slightly less appealing? Whenever I've played those races it's because I can learn faster than the others. I still learn faster but not quite as much as before. For the sake of parity wouldn't it be nice if the higher int races also got a bump to learning?

>That's cool and all for the lower int races but doesn't that
>make playing an elf or dark-elf slightly less appealing?
>Whenever I've played those races it's because I can learn
>faster than the others. I still learn faster but not quite as
>much as before. For the sake of parity wouldn't it be nice if
>the higher int races also got a bump to learning?

No. Those races got a boost with evade, which is why I gave the low int races a boost to learning to balance that out a bit more.

suweeeet.

High int races are almost exclusively high dex races as well. So high int + high dex = learn fast + evade. On the flip side low int races tend to be almost exclusively low dex races. So you get crappier learning + worse evade.

I just tried to even things out by giving a boost to lower int learning.

nt

n/t

but then I thought of the idea of a felar being overpowered and laughed.