I'm fairly sure this has been discussed in the past... But here we go again!

With my old Paladin Amberion, during the shokai days, I ventured far down in hell. (Though I wasn't a Maran, just a squire I think) Which was insanly cool for a newbie like I was then. (Still insanly cool as one rarely gets to visit the lower circles.)

BUT, why can't there be an alternate route into hell for goodies? Depending on mortal leadership and what not, most often goodies of the fortress are forbidden to venture down into hell, well, at least past the first circle.

Is it that it takes to much work? (Which I could understand) Or is it something that Scarabeus forbidden when he wrote the area? Or is there some other reason that I'm just unaware of?

Personally I think it would be neat if there were some sort of quest goodies could take to get through the circles, equally "hard" for the party as it would be for any other group. (Risk or certainty of losing group members and whatnot, hope I ain't saying to much here.)

Well, I'm just curious! Been playing ALOT of evils/neutrals lately just to get a glimpse of hell, and many things I think to myself that damn! That would suit a goodie real good.

Call me dumb, but why goodies cant go into the 2nd Circle via "usual" (bully) way?

Mechanically, they can.

RPwise, many won't.

Sorry maybe I am missing something but whats wrong with giving certain item to certain mob from RP point ?

Believe it or not, some characters are unwilling to drug an animal so it will #### them. :P

What the hell? In Minsk we call that a rockin' Saturday night?!?

Touch me not, for I am chaste!

I expect bull taint is especially evil.

Very strange to be honest, any explanation, why it has be done in SUCH way?

There IS other way to Hell where you don't have to smack with the bull.
It is not easy and requires some preparation and work, like getting very specific keys.

You're either mistaken or know something I don't.

(The latter is pretty possible in this case -- I try to avoid Hell information more than probably anything else.)

If nothing has changed lately...
I would start in Trothon :)
And no, I don't think this path is any good. Hehe. But strictly speaking, it's still a path.

But REALLY, you can get keys somewhere?!? I had no idea! I've done it then. ROFL

Oh, that! Last I knew, that couldn't work out for you, really.

The OTHER way to get there would make a good trivia time question.

There was a thread posted about this, like.... within the last week.

And I can't find anything. (Not even a very old thread I remember reading about 1-2 years ago...)

Thread on Ask An Immortal from two days ago:

http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=8&topic_id=13939&mesg_id=13939&page=

... Only mentioned in one of the post under it. Briefly I might add. ;)

Pasted the wrong link. I think this one is the right one:

http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=8&topic_id=13957&mesg_id=13957&page=

nobody else touches it. So just ask Scar to do it.

n/t