This is a public appeal from me to the playerbase at large.

Please, after someone kills you, please do not cry to them or anywhere else. I don't want to hear about how afk you were, or how wounded you were when they attacked, or how you were sleeping, or that you had previously been impaled, or that they only won because it was a Tuesday.

Maybe you think your killer will hear this and think, "Wow, I got lucky. I wouldn't have beat that guy at all if he wasn't at 1% HP, linkdead, and boneshattered." Most likely you've just gone from being someone they beat to someone they beat who whined about it. If they got lucky to beat you, the way to demonstrate that is to beat them the next time. If they get lucky three or four times in a row, I submit that you may need to rethink what luck is.

Especially don't complain about the gear that's missing, unless you come back to less than half a set of gear (including anything they give to you or drop for you), and even then, you shouldn't if you can help it. It's amazing to me that over the years the amount of stuff that's usually looted from people has constantly gone down, and the amount of complaining about the stuff that is taken goes up. I don't want to hear you claim to have spent the fight linkdead. I don't want to hear you claim to have left five thousand of their cabalmates' corpses untouched. I don't want to hear you beg for mercy, humiliate yourself, or make threats. I don't want to hear that your killer can't use what they took. Especially sad is if they take only one piece of gear that they can use and you're still bitching. All of this makes you sound like a huge ####.

I like watching fights. I like cheering for you. Don't ruin me thinking you're cool by crying like a bitch with a skinned knee if you can help it. Beating the #### out of whoever wronged you is the best revenge.

Thanks. :)

Is when I kill someone and take a few of their things, leaving them with my belongings that I replaced. Then, a while later, that person comes back and attacks me again. So I kill them again, and leave everything. As soon as they unghost, they come right back and attack again, so I kill them again. Now I decide to take one or two other of the nicer things they have remaining in the hopes of discouraging future attacks for a while. They grumble that I'm taking all their stuff, so I explain why and walk away. Then as soon as they unghost again, the idiot comes back AGAIN and dies to me again, so I take more, and they bitch again!

I find this EXTREMELY IRRITATING.

1.) If you can't beat me two or three times in a row, no matter how close you actually came, if you still LOST every time, you're probably not going to win until you do something drastically different.

2.) If I leave your things a couple times, and you idiotically come back to die again and I take more, get the hint and leave me alone! I don't like spam killing anyone unless they royally piss me off, but if you keep coming back, you leave me with no choice. And the only way I can discourage you is to keep taking stuff.

3.) If you fail to head warning #1 and warning #2 and decide to come back yet AGAIN, please don't threaten me by saying, "I'm going to remember this that you took all my stuff. When I see your corpse laying around, I'm going take and/or destroy everything you have!" (Unspoken reason = "Because you're a full-looting bitch so I'm going to full-loot you in return!") No, I'm not a full-looting bitch. I left most of your things several times and you stupidly kept throwing yourself at me. If you don't like losing your things, quit trying to pick a fight with me that you can't win.

Please people. Try to recognize when it's your OWN fault that something bad happened to you and don't bitch about it when you could have prevented it by not being so stupid.

EDIT: This just happened to me today against two different characters, but it's happened to me a number of times in the past, and I've also witnessed it happen between other people many, many times.

EDIT #2: I'm not saying that I'm some elite pk'er. I'm not. But I do have some skill and occasionally I get a build that's perfect for that "crafty kill" or strategic kill. And if it looks like I can't beat you, I'm probably not going to fight, or won't stick around to see the end.

I don't get killed often or kill very often, but I have seen that when around people who do kill often. Very silly.

Make cabal pits useful again. As it is now only one or two pits are full every 48 hours or so.

The pits fail to save after a crash anyway half the time.

Full saccing is a different story and is intentionally meant to demoralize or enrage the victim into getting themselves killed.

I also keep getting tells of people bitching about their gear just because they left my corpse untouched.

Dear jerkass: How am I supposed to get any of the leet gear in the game with three of your cabalmates hovering around your corpse after I kill you if I don't type 'get all corpse' and then beat feet?

Another angle to this is: Why do you think it's bad sportsmanship to loot you fully so that you aren't doing as much damage the second time I come around to kill you? Is this somehow not a viable tacting, keeping you pinned down while keeping my cabalmates geared? Aren't YOUR cabalmates supposed to counter this?

> Is this
>somehow not a viable tacting, keeping you pinned down while
>keeping my cabalmates geared? Aren't YOUR cabalmates supposed
>to counter this?

In theory, maybe. In practice, for a number of reasons, not really.

Winning PKs gives you tangible benefits. Getting involved in PKs is what CF's all about - it's over half the fun of logging in.

Why would you want to discourage someone from trying to PK you by sacraficing their gear. That's just stupid.

If your trying to do something besides PK for a little while and said person keeps coming to get you, despite the fact you keep bashing them down.

I agree with you, but not everyone plays for solid PK.

There are two situations that come to mind at present. These were the two situations I so recently had to deal with.

The first one is a character who seems to be a fairly new player, or at least new to the class he's playing (maybe new to the pk scene). He comes at me, and I destroy him. Ok, no big deal. I'll probably hunt him intentionally if I see him nearby. He comes again, I destroy him again. Ok, now I feel like having a little mercy on him cause I know I don't like spend Con like it's water. This is even more intensified by the fact that he used the exact same tactic which absolutely CAN NOT work. Apparently he didn't figure that out the first time, so I'm really feeling sorry for him. He comes again, so I destroy him again. Now I feel REALLY sorry for him, so for HIS sake, I want to try to discourage him from wasting his con on me, and then getting frustrated with the game and giving up. I don't sac his gear, I just take a couple pieces because I know he's playing a class and build that could easily acquire more without pk. This situation is out of pity.

The second one seems to be considerably more knowledgeable about the game and certain game mechanics. He's clearly not a newb but is still not a match for me in pk AT THIS POINT (he probably will be later). By this time, I've been having a hell of a time finding groups to go rank with. FINALLY I get one, and we're having some success but it's a little slower than the power-ranking I normally do. That's fine because it's at least steady. Then this bozo comes running in and tries to pk my group (two of us can harm him, one cannot). We kill him and take a couple things. He unghosts, comes running back in, so we send him packing. He heals up and comes back. We kill him and leave his things. He unghosts and comes back. We kill him again. Now we're starting to get irritated because won't let us just do some ranking. I'm not kidding, this guy hurled himself at us constantly for close to 2 hours. He didn't quit until we had taken almost every piece of gear he had that was actually worth anything (we ended up leaving his food, water, container, skull rings, and similar type basics). If I had been at a level where I had all the pk-related skills I needed most for my build, I would have been content to let him keep impaling himself on me. But I didn't, and although I might be able to send him packing every time alone, I wouldn't be able to kill him every time without help, and I really needed those skills for pk'ing OTHER people who would otherwise totally destroy me.

(I think I had more to say, but I got distracted with the game and now I forgot. So I'll leave it at that.)

>The second one seems to be considerably more knowledgeable
>about the game and certain game mechanics. He's clearly not a
>newb but is still not a match for me in pk AT THIS POINT

I think this was me. I also think you're overstating how many times I came at your group, and possibly how little success I had. Here's the sequence of events as I recall them:

1. I come at your group while you're resting and attack MeleeGuy. MeleeGuy tries to stand and fight, but soon realizes that's a bad idea and runs off. ShifterGuy also runs off. Nobody dies.

2. You guys regroup. While I'm looking for you, my demon kills me. I come back to my corpse and find that ShifterGuy and OtherGuy have gotten their first and looted some stuff. Woe is me. OtherGuy, who is not in my PK range, threatens to leave me naked if I bother your group again.

3. I wait to unghost and you guys start ranking again. Once I've conjured, I come back and attack melee guy. He gets beaten up, flees, then comes back and attacks me while I'm aiming at ShifterGuy. I die. Some more stuff gets looted.

4. You guys disband. I find MeleeGuy in Tir-Talath alone, but am too slow to engage him. He sends me a tell saying how bad of an idea it would have been for me to attack him. Personally, I disagree. I then find ShifterGuy in his Galadon guild. I try to kill the guild guard, which just results in my elemental dying and ShifterGuy running off.

5. I die to a demon while trying to PK some unrelated AsassinGuy south of Hamsah, decide evil conjurers are a pain in the ass, and delete.

Afaik I only actually died to your group once. The other death was to a demon, and two of you apparently happened to be nearby.

The two characters I'm talking about were not conjurers.

n/t

If you don't want to hear our complains...
Stop damnit killing us, Nep! }(
Especially when we are link dead or boneshattered.

seriously.

Cheers,
Jhyrb

I've played the game for a few years now, off and on. Only one hero, and a few close, but the whining in game is ridiculous. I win rarely, most times I flee, but when I do win and take a thing or two (because I haven't seen it, or think it would compliment my newb gear nicely) people start bitching.

I'm fed up with online gaming, CF is the only thing left. You can rape someone you kill (take all their shinies) or do whatever, but in the end it's still a game I enjoy playing because of the option to do so.

I've always seen myself as the player IMM'S don't like, because I suck at PK and I'm a mediocre RP'er. Posts like Daevryn's give me hope that I'm not the lame dude logged in, but at the verty least I'm mediocre.

Admittedly, I am a little drunk, but this is by far the coolest game I have ever played. Been gaming damn near since I was born. Just stop bitching and enjoy yourself. Worry about the asshole that screwed you out of a promotion in real life or something. As for here, get over yourself and just imagine.

asfsaf

Does Baer know that you have access to a computer? She's likely to rip you a new one just for a) keeping it away from her or b) using it on your vaca.

:)

You mean the one we got back from a few months ago? :P

Nah, the one on your Daev/Ray forum that Ray posted on the 6th of March this year.

"Hey all,

Just wanted to give you a heads up that we'll be on a computer-less cruise from the 8th-15th, so neither of us will be available! You all behave! I'll think of you as a lounge on a beach in curacao and imbibe on blue hawaiians! (well, maybe not)"

nt

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n/t

...until I read it.


Vaca means "cow" in Spanish, bub. I thought you were saying "How's the old cow?"

hehe

There will be no white flag above my door. - Dido