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Topic subjectCheap shot... broken, nerfed, or I'm stupid?
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22145, Cheap shot... broken, nerfed, or I'm stupid?
Posted by Deathmonkey on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Masted cheap shot recently, and I'm still missing 85% of attempts. This is nothing like I remember it being... or even what I remember playing against more recently.

Was this skill rebalanced? Did something break recently? Am I dumb? Is this tied to an unpracticed skill, somehow?

I don't see any mention of it in the code updates.

Thanks...
22159, RE: Cheap shot... broken, nerfed, or I'm stupid?
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Hard to say what's going wrong without knowing all the circumstances.

One thing that might be new depending on how long it's been since your last thief (although it's probably 6+ years old) is that cheap shot will fire less as more stuff is fighting the victim. In other words, cheap shot sort of gets better as you have more people tripping someone (because you get more chances to use it) but sort of gets worse in that each chance is less likely to fire it.

One on one it should still be pretty reliable, and I can't think of any amount of unfavorable circumstances which would make it miss 85% of the time.

Later thug skills may improve its reliability slightly as well.
22161, RE: Cheap shot... broken, nerfed, or I'm stupid?
Posted by Deathmonkey on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Always 1v1... missing 75-85% of the time, skill at 100%. Seemed to be acting like orc cheap shot.

At the time I posted this I was roughly level 21, generally sparring someone with +/- 2 levels.

KICK was (and is) unpracticed.
22155, Been that way since neo-thieves went in~
Posted by Enbuergo1 on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
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22157, No, Bundeltorf was a neo-thief with pwn cheapshot. nt
Posted by Marcus_ on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
nt
22162, It was superior pre-neo thieves. I've played both.~
Posted by Enbuergo1 on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
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22163, More like it was broken pre neo-thieves and got rebalanced, but otherwise this is spot on nt
Posted by Scrimbul on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
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22152, With my orcs I noticed that it fired considerably more often as I grew in level.
Posted by RobDarken on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Regardless of my percentage in the skill.
22153, Yeah... but thug cheap shot firing the same/worse than orc? (n/t)
Posted by Deathmonkey on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
boo
22154, Just give up. =P n/t
Posted by Lhydia on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
gr
22149, RE: Cheap shot... broken, nerfed, or I'm stupid?
Posted by Abernyte on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Noticed similar and at 85hrs old and having ranked on mobs that are hooded with the whole group spamming trip I am at 91% . That is hurting badly when elf warriors out lag me on just tripping me, than I could tripping and cheapshotting them.

Thieves need dual backstab back but as a skill recieved in the 40s. They are not cutting it imho.

-----Abernyte
22148, As far as I remember, I used to hit 80-85%...
Posted by Marcus_ on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Are you a full thug, or did you just take the path up until cheap shot? That might be a factor.. (I heard it is for some other skills)
22151, RE: As far as I remember, I used to hit 80-85%...
Posted by Deathmonkey on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
That's what I remember too. I only have thug skills.
22147, RE: Cheap shot... broken, nerfed, or I'm stupid?
Posted by Valguarnera on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
There haven't been any changes of late, and I'm not seeing any Edges or anything in there that would be likely to break it.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com
22150, RE: Cheap shot... broken, nerfed, or I'm stupid?
Posted by Deathmonkey on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Okay... is it supposed to miss 75-85% at 100?
22160, Prone defense springs to mind
Posted by incognito on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Recently added edge to help vs cheapshot.

Could be this, if there really is a problem?