Okay, so, now I can talk about this in context.

Basically, I'm not sure it's a good idea to hand out imm xp and other rewards for things that are primarily based on player skill and class matchups, unless we're talking about something where the player did something that was just incredibly impressive (e.g. successful raid defense while hopelessly outgunned, etc.)

Specifically I'm thinking about the arena tournaments. These were a lot of fun, but success primarily depends on one's class, gear, cabal powers, how much one preps, and general player PK skill. Not that these are bad things, they're just not something that should probably be used as the basis for handing out perks.

I still think the arena tourneys should have some type of reward, but I'd lean towards making it more role-play centric. Give people special titles, maybe give them special room descriptions like Igbah had. Consider giving edges that are more cosmetic in nature. Or, if you can think up some new edges that are "fame" related, that could be a reward. Maybe beefed up versions of the commerce skills, along with a big chunk of gold in the bank for winning the tourney?

Just some thoughts.

Was as Provost, I could not justify my RP to goto an event with a criminal standing there and participate like they were not a criminal.

On the other hand, I wanted to run in with my guards and start smacking down on criminals but me, the player, could not do that and ruin some one elses fun and ability to compete in the event. So I just stood in Galadon and got annoyed. This doesn't just mean criminals that were in my range.

Because of these things, I think arena events are not Tribunal Friendly. If I ever saw a Tribunal standing next to a criminal they could harm at the arena, I would have given them a warning that the next time, they may be demoted for standing next to a criminal they could harm.

Literally every single Cabal except Herald, has the same issues you just described. As a Paladin, can I justify hanging out next to a Duergar in the Arena? As an Outlander, can I justify standing next to a Conjurer? As an Imperial, can I justify standing next to... anyone?

Every character has to adapt to these situations, unless they happen to get lucky enough where their enemy isn't there.

I have seen fort members talking to members of the empire in the square in Galadon hundreds of times. The ONLY reason for a Trib to talk to a criminal is to convince them to turn themself in. Beyond that, as Provost, I'm yelling at you.

I can stand and talk with a member of the outlanders if they are not a criminal without any problems. Have done so with many of them. Criminals, nope.

Tribunals are the only cabal that is paid to do a job. They ar ethe only cabal that can place a mark on you that affect your through out the lands and the are the only cabal that have the ability to call help that will attack a specific section of the player base on sight. This alone makes them unique.

Not to mention, If there is a criminal in the arena, I can not walk in there with my guards or they will auto attack the criminal. "So don't bring them." you say? That would just be suicide.

>Not to mention, If there is a criminal in the arena, I can not walk in there with my guards or they will auto attack the criminal. "So don't bring them." you say? That would just be suicide.

Most Tribs do not have guards and are not on duty when they walk outside of Galadon to the arena. A provost, too, can go off duty for a bit. And it is common, especially during imm-run and herald-run events, for people to put aside their fights for a bit. It is also common for them not to put aside their fights for a bit. A tribunal warrior walking into the arena with criminals nearby is not suicide. First of all, he can grab a good seat (it isn't like tribunal are extremely poor). Second of all, even if he doesn't grab a good seat, he doesn't have to attack. He just doesn't. Don't attack. So very hard.

>Tribunals are the only cabal that is paid to do a job.

I would argue that this makes it more legitimate not to attack them outside of your job. Not less. If you were a member of the Fortress trying to purge evil or a member of the village who hates mages with a fiery passion, I would have a much harder time seeing you justifying walking in and sitting there than an off-duty Tribunal.

Yeah, it feels weird when you are walking into the arena and sitting next to two or three of your archenemies. But you know what? Thats a good opportunity for interaction that you probably normally wouldn't have. Just because he's your enemy doesn't mean you absolutely have to kill him on sight every single time without forethought or preparation. Not every interaction with an enemy has to start or end with you two trying to kill each other. Worst case, just ignore him.

You don't want to ruin another player's fun: thats wonderful. Trust that they won't ruin yours. Or if you don't, spend a little money. Jeez.

What?

Exactly, Tribunals ARE paid to do a job. And that means when they're off duty, they don't have to do that job anymore.

For every other cabal, it isn't a job. It's a way of life. A Tribunal that's off work is just a guy. A Fortress guy, or an Outlander, or Villager.. they're never off work.


Obviously you're playing a Tribunal and are looking at this from a seriously limited view. But every single caballed character has similar decisions to make about how to handle it. Tribunals aren't special.

Oh, and FYI, as a criminal, I haved talked to Tribunals a lot. A whole lot. Probably more than any other, cause I know Tribbies will just be sitting there 90% of the time.

The idea being that as long as it is assured he will be there, then if he isn't beaten square, he can at least be caught more easily once the contest is over. The contest brings the criminals from hiding and causes them to spend their resources.

It just seems... cheap to me. People always talk about full looting as being stupid as it ruins the game for the other person. Me killing a person in an arena event, making it so they can not compete, to me atleast, is along those levels. I can not bring myself, as a player, to take away someone elses fun.

>It just seems... cheap to me. People always talk about full
>looting as being stupid as it ruins the game for the other
>person. Me killing a person in an arena event, making it so
>they can not compete, to me atleast, is along those levels. I
>can not bring myself, as a player, to take away someone elses
>fun.

And yet, you play Tribunal.

I think you just lost your argument here.

Spend the cash for a secure room and stop being retarded.

The Outlanders didn't like this explanation, but my excuse for not attacking the various evil folks who were there was, "I'd get the crap beaten out of me by the IMMORTALS standing there before I could kill whoever it is I was trying to kill, so what's the point?"

Yeah, but Arena tourneys are actual events, just like a Herald joke-telling contest or whatever. People are getting rewarded for showing up, participating, and roleplaying.

Think of it this way: If you, as Mizfara, choose to come participate in the Arena Tournament, rather than, say, sit nearby and stalk evilguy and eventually assassinate him, you may not get anything out of the whole deal other than a night of some RP and "Play-PK". Same as a Herald contest.

Shouldn't you be rewarded for choosing to participate in the Imm-sanctioned event, rather than going off doing your own thing?

I guess. I'm just trying to prevent the scenario where the strongest, most decked out prep whores end up getting perks that make them even stronger, just by virtue of being strong to begin with and spending a lot of time to stock up on obscure preps.

It also shafts certain classes. I mean jeez, look at that fight I had against Grishnak. Was he a crappy orc? Not really. I'd say he was actually above average. But he just didn't match up well against martial-trance'd searing-light-staff-wielding asssasin w/ 75 damroll.

...bribe people (repeatedly) to come to RP events, you just might be doing something wrong. I can't put my finger on as to what though.

I don't have an opinion one way or the other myself because I honestly can't be bothered to 'let loose and hang out'. Usually when these events happen it's a good chance to get in some hardcore ranking or restocking on copper, flight, detect invis, returns, teleports and enlarge/reduce while your would-be opponents are otherwise preoccupied (and not doing the same).

Recently I overheard a certain Herald mention she was willing to pay gold if someone would show up (snooping at its finest). A couple global echoes later and the Inn had a nice crowd. Luckily, the character did have gold to pay all the visitors, though I didn't actually see anyone get paid.

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I don't have an opinion one way or the other myself because I honestly can't be bothered to 'let loose and hang out'. Usually when these events happen it's a good chance to get in some hardcore ranking or restocking on copper, flight, detect invis, returns, teleports and enlarge/reduce while your would-be opponents are otherwise preoccupied (and not doing the same).

You're welcome to do that, but I think it's obvious why there's an incentive system geared towards players who are interactive with one another.

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that they usually happen 3 AM or some other hour that is often completely unsuitable for me.

Roll a Herald and throw some mid day events! Har!




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*glare*

3 AM system time, to get back at American Heralds. ;P

Clearly you just need to move to the United States. It is, as we all know, the center of the known universe.