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21873, Your thoughts
Posted by Xalech on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Been thinking about a warrior build myself. Maybe you guys have some input for me. Duergar mace/polearm with trapping/fist and hopefully Scion powers? Your thoughts?
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21877, I can weigh in on this one.
Posted by Stunna on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Couple things... having played my share of duergar/dwarf, human and giant pole specs I can tell you that a duergar doesn't get a whole ton of mileage out of polearm. A lot of your skills are size based, so duergars don't do them well. It still has it's uses, particularly entrap and cutoff (and the occasional chargeset) but overall you'll get more out of other specs w/o something in your package that plays off of what the duerg pole spec is good at. (IE, my dagger/avalanche/cutoff build)
Having also had trapping on a pole spec I'll tell you that your heavy polearm choices are *somewhat* limited. The only two -really- good ones are going to be difficult to get solo, and the two that are juuust heavy enough to make trapping fire are not exactly easy to get. Not insurmountable, by any means, but it just seemed like between disarm, weaponbreak etc. I never held on to my prize polearms long.
In general I am unimpressed with trapping. "Back when" it was a great legacy choice, now I can't think of many scenarios where I'd take it over some others. Even less so on a duergar, even if you do take fist of the titan.
Now, I think if you did exactly what you are talking about but went fire giant, and dropped fist in favor of something else... (Maybe Fires!)It's a viable build. As a duergar though... eh... I think your in for a dissapointment.
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21874, RE: Your thoughts
Posted by Isildur on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
My advice is to make a mental list of some actual Scion enemies from the past six months, then try to formulate a battle plan for how you'd deal with each of them. May help you figure out where you're going to have trouble.
Here's a short list (not all of whom are necessarily "scary") to get you started. In no particular order:
Acvilar Humbert Kostyan Ijerga Kornuel/Seyriannia/Ruhktanshi Mizfara Krikar Macha Jayundar/Nizidrayt Djabree Mharr Ahtieli Ixilth
With mace/pole, you don't have a lot of ways to maledict other than boneshatter. Most people can eat a boneshatter without any problems. For lag you have bash and cranial. So, neither of those is working against a smart invoker, and cranial isn't going to work against someone you can't out-damage while spamming cranial. Plus you've got that duergar vuln working for you, so someone like Acvilar or Humbert w/ wrath/light weapons is going to hurt big time.
Ragers are...ragers. Honestly I'm not sure how non-rager warriors handle them, short of a Kostyan build where you've got Imperial Defense and lots of preps on your side. So, for them, just try to evaluate whether this particular duergar-warrior build is any worse off than a different duergar-warrior build would be against the same opponent.
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21875, RE: Your thoughts
Posted by Xalech on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
My thinking went like this. Duergar is always going to have problems with paladins regardless, so I just have to deal with that. He should be dealing fierce amounts (if I can get the heavy weapons needed) of damage between the trapping and darkfist. Wasnt thinking so much on the sealing the kill side of it, as much as raiding and defending. As far as preps go, I can have a stoneskin and a shield at any given time, of course protection. Still working on the haste, cant seem to find one for a warrior. As for the neither bash/cranial working against a smart invoker, thats a matter of luck really, as he cant have the shield up to protect from bash and protect his head at the same time other than with a piece of head gear.
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21876, RE: Your thoughts
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
>My thinking went like this. Duergar is always going to have >problems with paladins regardless, so I just have to deal with >that. He should be dealing fierce amounts (if I can get the >heavy weapons needed) of damage between the trapping and >darkfist.
IMHO, Trapping is not your best choice if you're not one of the giant-sized races. The subset of maces that are very heavy that are also generally good maces and are also not two handed seems too small to me.
That being said it probably would work decently with the pole spec.
>Wasnt thinking so much on the sealing the kill side >of it, as much as raiding and defending. As far as preps go, I >can have a stoneskin and a shield at any given time, of course >protection. Still working on the haste, cant seem to find one >for a warrior.
You sure can't. As far as I know there isn't one anymore, unique pieces of gear notwithstanding.
>As for the neither bash/cranial working against >a smart invoker, thats a matter of luck really, as he cant >have the shield up to protect from bash and protect his head >at the same time other than with a piece of head gear.
Shield of waves?
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21882, RE: Your thoughts
Posted by Xalech on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Yes. But if he has shield of waves then he can be bashed correct? Or am I mistaken in that he can only have one major shield at a time?
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21884, RE: Your thoughts
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
All of the major shields, including shield of waves, stop bash. (Technically, shield of ooze doesn't, but it's a little odd.)
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