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17688, Demons attacking, give me a break please.
Posted by Razah on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
438hp 739m 304mv 06:25:21 (5 AM) c 'conjure demon' harmentia 400
A monstrous demon arrives, ready to expel its rage!

(not aggressive)

438hp 239m 304mv 06:25:28 (5 AM) c 'darkbind' demon 139
You bind a steel-eyed harmentia demon to your servitude!

(bind worked okay)

skip ahead tics

438hp 739m 408mv 06:44:46 (4 PM) You are affected by:
Spell: 'conjure elemental' for 41 hours.
Spell: 'detect charm' for 30 hours.
Spell: 'detect invis' for 22 hours.
Spell: 'armor' modifies armor class by -20 for 20 hours.
Spell: 'conjure demon' for 15 hours.
Spell: 'resist negative' for 1 hours.
Spell: 'slow' modifies dexterity by -1 for 0 hours.

438hp 739m 408mv 06:44:51 (4 PM)
You yell 'Help! I'm being attacked by a steel-eyed harmentia demon!'
A steel-eyed harmentia demon's slice DISMEMBERS you!
A steel-eyed harmentia demon's slice DISMEMBERS you!
A steel-eyed harmentia demon's slice DISMEMBERS you!
A steel-eyed harmentia demon's slice MASSACRES you!
A steel-eyed harmentia demon is in perfect health.

181hp 739m 408mv 06:44:53 (4 PM)

A steel-eyed harmentia demon's slice DISMEMBERS you!
A steel-eyed harmentia demon's slice DISMEMBERS you!
You sure are BLEEDING!

I figured out this class completly earlier and now its different.
Can someone please explain to me why this could happen?
It was not even the end of the demon (still 15 tics left).

I am evil neutral and if i have to let a non-agro demon get weapons out of a corpse to prevent him attacking me mid-way through, then you have got to be kidding me.


17694, RE: Demons attacking, give me a break please.
Posted by Baerinika on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
"I am evil neutral "

Check out your 'score'. This isn't actually true, and it affects your conjurations.
17698, I am
Posted by Razah on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I am Evil Neutral, sorry you looked at the wrong character's pfile.
17692, RE: Demons attacking, give me a break please.
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
If you manage to get a servitor pissed off enough, it will eventually find a flaw in your binding and jump on you.

Ideally, figure out what you're doing that's pissing a demon off that much and don't do it. :P
17693, Last neutral I had, they'd sometimes do it on a whim
Posted by GinGa on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Honestly, I think giving us a way to see how happy they are would help all involved. Sometimes there's just no way to tell what it is they're thinking. There were times I would take an angel around (one that actually didn't come out angry, and was binded fine) and kill ugruks with an out-of-range group. The damn thing turned on me with about 17 hours left on conjuring a new one. Absolutely no reason why it shouldn't have been happy that I could fathom.

Rumour has it, other people are having wierd turnings too. I know I've heard one or two conjurers whine to me in-game but I don't know if they were exagerating for attention or not. One of them complained about having an archon turn after fighting Scions and another about their elemental turning on them just shortly after binding (and hell, I have no idea how to piss an elemental off bound - let alone unbound). Both resulted in very dead conjurers and I looted the one that got done by the elemental pummeling (sucker :P)

Yhorian

Edit: And I was with Kanaev on the nofol binding thing. It was the only plausible way to get rid of a servitor that turned on you while bound. Dismissal is like rolling a 20 in D&D, and fighting it as a conjurer is just insanity. The thing is still bound, so it moves everywhere you do until you nofol to get rid of it. At least I don't have to rank in Shadar anymore... every single time I went to fight archers, I'd magic missile my own archon/archangel. Bleh.
17691, Example 2 (this time its agro)
Posted by Razah on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
438hp 689m 408mv 07:01:28 (6 PM) c 'conjure demon' harmentia 300

A monstrous demon arrives, ready to expel its rage!
A steel-eyed harmentia demon is kept at bay by your a thaumaturgic circle.

only 300 mana in this demon, ok this one is agro.

438hp 627m 408mv 07:01:55 (7 PM) c 'darkbind' demon 350

You bind a steel-eyed harmentia demon to your servitude!

+350 is more than enough for a 400 mana demon, I am evil (23 cha)

skip tics.

458hp 728m 408mv 07:14:14 (5 PM) You are affected by:
Spell: 'conjure demon' for 27 hours.
Spell: 'conjure elemental' for 25 hours.
Spell: 'aura' modifies armor class by -30 for 10 hours.
Spell: 'invis' for 8 hours.
Spell: 'detect charm' for 7 hours.
Spell: 'pass door' for 4 hours.

27 tics left, less than half way in.

458hp 728m 399mv 07:14:23 (5 PM)
A steel-eyed harmentia demon leaps upon you!
You yell 'Help! I'm being attacked by a steel-eyed harmentia demon!'
A steel-eyed harmentia demon's slice misses you.
A steel-eyed harmentia demon's slice EVISCERATES you!
A steel-eyed harmentia demon's slice DISMEMBERS you!
A steel-eyed harmentia demon's slice misses you.

I presume both demons turned on me because they were not satsified
with lack of killing etc. But I am sure this does not follow Scarabaeus's original intention of the BIND spell. If they are not happy with me, then they are free to attack me once the BIND spell wears off (and there is no circle present).
They should not be able to unbind themselves half way through. If this was possible, why not just unbind themselves straight away, would you be happy getting pulled away from your home :)









17690, Idea for conjurers then...
Posted by GinGa on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Have the consider command, also give you how happy a servitor might be.

Since charisma plays a big part of this, you have to assume conjurers are good at communicating with planar beings (so their charisma comes across in dealings - it's not just being pretty, it's about personality and presence). It also stands to reason they should be able to tell if one of them is happy or not. Judging their mood shouldn't be hard if you know what expressions or actions to look for - and it'd be early warning to them turning on you. Them turning would still be killer (and is near guaranteed fatal, since dismissal is so crap without 500 mana behind it) but at least you couldn't say 'I never saw that coming!'

Demon and devil users rejoice!

Yhorian