Losing exp while having a wanted flag (usually trib guards, city guards, etc) seems like a bit of an occ punishment to me. I shouldnt want to not get wanted because it will set me back in ranking, I shouldnt (or should) because of IC reasons.

Thoughts? Discuss/bash/hate/

I think it is fine as is. The risk of death, hostile npcs, and instant cabal as an enemy seems sufficient to me.

Couldn't resist.

There needs to be something that will still be effective to deter crime as a hero. Guards are not a problem usually then, except the enforcer. But I can not think of anything better at the moment.

Permanently hostile guards, in that they exclude you from the city and attack you if you somehow find a way in.

...that will make you think twice about committing the crime.

If there is no punishment (or potential for punishment), there is every reason to commit the crime.

Death and con loss. Having guards harass you, tribunals hunt you, maybe even an automatic bounty placed in/by the major cities that will encourage other players to kill you to collect that bounty.

It just seems to me that the loss of exp is more of an ooc punishment as opposed to an ic one.

n/t

I don't mind the xp loss from a flag. I just sorta thought this was an interesting question you brought up.

1. How about being unable to purchase from shoppies in protected towns?
2. Being unable to even enter the city without guards stopping/attacking you at the gates?
3. City healers no longer offering their services?

Maybe some of those suggestions don't even make sense to me in an RP sense, but I was more or less thinking of something along the lines of "Your kind isn't welcome here." like they do at the Inn. Perhaps make it after a certain number of times wanted or a certain number of hours spent wanted.

Dunno, just thought I'd toss a few things out.

>1. How about being unable to purchase from shoppies in
>protected towns?
>2. Being unable to even enter the city without guards
>stopping/attacking you at the gates?
>3. City healers no longer offering their services?

Two out of these three already apply to someone with a WANTED flag.

Generally if you attempt to buy something from a shoppie in a protected city they will yell that the criminal so and so is here -and- attack you.

The guard thing is obvious. Any and all guards in cities or on the roads will attack you on sight when you have a WANTED flag.

Healers still heal you though. That's always a plus.

I meant more of on a permanent basis. If you get wanted say three times? You never get to shop in a protected city again. The guards always stop you at the gates, and city healers no longer offer their services to you, etc.

Wanted flags shouldn't change from the perspective of how they work. They should just take away the xp penalty and add the above penalties to career criminals.

Thats what I meant.

Name me another punishment that will make you think twice about committing the crime.

If there is no punishment (or potential for punishment), there is every reason to commit the crime.


It doesn't have to be so (for lack of a better phrase) hard-assed. I like the notion of "Hey, I'm flagged...so I have a whole cabal that will try to kill me as well as every guard mob, AND I can't buy from shopkeepers in towns...game on," rather than,"Oh #### oh ####, I'm ####ing flagged man oh #### this means another hour of mindlessly killing mobs if I get killed!"

Just my opinion here, but there is too much of this "hard ass," no tolerance attitude in CF, and it has always been there. I'm not pointing it at any one person, but it is an overall sense that no one here is willing to budge a god damned inch on anything...it's always been frustrating for me. But, hey, it's still a great game.

this means another hour of mindlessly killing mobs if I get killed!

"..if I get killed by any mob.", that is. If a PC gives the killing strike, you don't get into xp hole.

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Any death while a wanted criminal, PK, mob, etc will result in an xp loss.

Barring a few (arguably buggy) methods some people claim to know about.

.

who pk
<45 Arial Inv> (PK) Danfkin the Master of Ice
<38 Fire War> (PK) Ravnir the Battle-Hardened
<39 Gnome Tra> (PK) Yacama the Elder Transmuter
<51 Svirf War> (PK) (WANTED) Salvrath SteelRoot the Destructive Force of Chaos, Harbinger of Thar-Eris
<51 Felar War> (PK) (WANTED) Ledifel SpearClaw the Seeker of War, Veteran of Battle
<40 Duerg War> (PK) Kebereh the Master of Weapons, Imperial Blade
<51 Arial Bar> (PK) Gerylanst So'Kanr the Bloodied Commander of Battle
<42 Cloud War> (PK) Pubba the Commander of Warfare
<51 Lich Nec> (PK) Ithzaruul the Lich Lord, Anathema to the Empire
*44 Cloud War* (PK) (WANTED) Muug the Initiate of the Macalla
<44 Arial War> (PK) Rajeelit the Initiate of the Macalla
<43 W-Elf Dru> (PK) Zandreya the Druidess of Stone, Adherent of the Glade
<46 Human War> (PK) (WANTED) Brodie the Champion of Battlefields
<42 W-Elf Dru> (PK) Thilzhiloins the Lord of the Hunt, Adherent of the Glade
<38 D-Elf War> (PK) Eade the Battle-Hardened, Imperial Blade


A bit after that who(which shows you that I'm wanted):

Someone utters the words, 'uwwarahuai'.
Softly chanting, someone steps up to you with its hand outstretched.
Like a lover's caress, it slowly traces a line down your arm.
A raging fire seems to burn from within your guts, doubling you over in pain.
Faelria fades into existence.
Faelria's immolation *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
Faelria has a few scratches.

<690(85%)hp 397(100%)m 100%mv 8862tnl 2 AM>
You are hungry.
Faelria has a few scratches.

<690(85%)hp 397(100%)m 100%mv 8862tnl 2 AM>
Frantic and thrashing you scream as fire consumes you!
Your immolation mauls you.
Faelria has a few scratches.

<668(82%)hp 397(100%)m 100%mv 8862tnl 2 AM>
Your wrath wounds Faelria.
Your wrath wounds Faelria.
The gods protect Faelria from Rajeelit.
Faelria fades into existence.
You parry Faelria's poisonous bite.
You parry Faelria's poisonous bite.
Someone has a few scratches.

<668(82%)hp 397(100%)m 100%mv 8862tnl 2 AM>
over
The searing pain of your immolation momentarily distracts you from your task.
Someone has a few scratches.

<668(82%)hp 397(100%)m 100%mv 8862tnl 2 AM>
Someone utters the words, 'bjyyzh'.
Someone buffets you with a controlled blast of air!
Someone's blast of air sends you flying!
Before the Temple Altar


Standing in the shadows an armored guard stands vigilant watch.
Rajeelit has arrived.
You flee from combat!
Faelria's buffeting <<< ERADICATES >>> you!
That really did HURT!

<334(41%)hp 397(100%)m 99%mv 8862tnl 2 AM>
Frantic and thrashing you scream as fire consumes you!
Your immolation wounds you.

<315(38%)hp 397(100%)m 99%mv 8862tnl 2 AM>
Your message didn't get through.
Someone utters the words, 'bjyyzh'.
Someone buffets you with a controlled blast of air!
Faelria fades into existence.
Faelria's buffeting === OBLITERATES === you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Faelria has a few scratches.

<119(14%)hp 397(100%)m 99%mv 8862tnl 2 AM>
Rajeelit says 'Let us leave.'
Frantic and thrashing you scream as fire consumes you!
Your immolation wounds you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Faelria has a few scratches.

<100(12%)hp 397(100%)m 99%mv 8862tnl 2 AM>
Your wrath decimates Faelria!
The gods protect Faelria from Rajeelit.
Faelria fades into existence.
You parry Faelria's poisonous bite.
You parry Faelria's poisonous bite.
Someone has a few scratches.

<100(12%)hp 397(100%)m 99%mv 8862tnl 2 AM>
**snip fleeing a bit**

<61(7%)hp 397(100%)m 99%mv 8862tnl 3 AM>
Frantic and thrashing you scream as fire consumes you!
Your immolation wounds you.
You sure are BLEEDING!

<42(5%)hp 397(100%)m 99%mv 8862tnl 3 AM>
Your message didn't get through.
Someone utters the words, 'bjyyzh'.
Someone buffets you with a controlled blast of air!
Someone's blast of air sends you flying!
You aren't fighting anyone.
Faelria fades into existence.
Faelria's buffeting <<< ERADICATES >>> you!
You have been KILLED!!

You have died, but the Carrion Fields are not finished with you yet!
Your soul is returned to the realms in the form of a ghost.
You will return to your corporeal state in a short while.
Be careful, for even a ghost should fear some dangers!

<1(0%)hp 1(0%)m 99%mv 8862tnl 3 AM>



So, died to a player as wanted, no xp loss. If the killer had been any mob, I would have gotten into the xp hole.

Since dying to a PC while wanted SHOULD result in xp loss, as things stand right now. I do know of at least two ways to avoid XP penalty while flagged, but I haven't tested either one in forever since I just accept the xp loss as part of a flag.

>
>Name me another punishment that will make you think twice
>about committing the crime.
>
>If there is no punishment (or potential for punishment), there
>is every reason to commit the crime.
>
>
>It doesn't have to be so (for lack of a better phrase)
>hard-assed. I like the notion of "Hey, I'm flagged...so I have
>a whole cabal that will try to kill me as well as every guard
>mob, AND I can't buy from shopkeepers in towns...game on,"
>rather than,"Oh #### oh ####, I'm ####ing flagged man oh ####
>this means another hour of mindlessly killing mobs if I get
>killed!"
>
>Just my opinion here, but there is too much of this "hard
>ass," no tolerance attitude in CF, and it has always been
>there. I'm not pointing it at any one person, but it is an
>overall sense that no one here is willing to budge a god
>damned inch on anything...it's always been frustrating for me.
>But, hey, it's still a great game.

I think it does have to be so (for lack of a better phrase) hard-assed. Of course, that is why I asked for alternate solutions. If you bring a solution to the table instead of a problem you are more likely to get a coversation or debate.

From my standpoint. If there isn't something that makes you think twice about committing a crime, Galadon is no more protected than the Eastern Road. That may be fine for veterans of CF, but you need to think about the new and non-vets as well. There needs to be a place that is at least a little-bit safe. Major cities and their guilds is what we've decided that place is. People are obviously still targets there, but it's not like the Eastern Road where you do where pk, see someone and start chasing.

On top of that, with the changes we made to XP holes however long ago that was, I think this is really not a big deal. A smart person takes that into account when they decide to commit a crime. I'm 1000 xp from a level...I'm probably not going PK'ing in town. I just leveled....what the hell...it'll only add a couple thousand XP to what I already have. I'm already in an XP hole...nothing else to lose but con...let's do it!

"If there isn't something that makes you think twice about committing a crime"

It makes -me- think twice, not my character. I'm not sure how this plays into a IC reason...not that it doesnt, I just see it as an OOC consideration instead of an IC one.

And to reply to one a bit further up, my post was naming 'punishments' that were IC that already existed plus an idea for a new one.

Thanks for the replys and input!

>...that will make you think twice about committing the
>crime.
>
>If there is no punishment (or potential for punishment), there
>is every reason to commit the crime.

What if there was an outlander power that negated or mitigated the penalties for dieing while warranted? This makes sense both IC and OOC, to me, and allow you to change the penalty for others.

If that's done, then you could make dieing while wanted result in the loss of a full con point. That would be a serious drawback, and have the benefit of also affecting heros.