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Topic subjectA newbish question
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15743, A newbish question
Posted by dalneko on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Let's say I have a battleaxe. This battleaxe I have is a mighty fine battleaxe since it has a freezing bite and I can use it to potentially own fire giants by hitting their vulnerability. Now this mighty fine battleaxe is also made of metal. Specifically iron. Would I, with this mighty fine tool of destruction, also be able to potentially own elves (high & wood) by hitting their iron vulnerability? I am not sure on this and have tried asking in game but never really got a straight answer. Thinking the forums could help. Thanks.
15745, Weapon Vulns
Posted by WildGirl on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
As I understand it, vulnerabilities are stackable, but the curve is not exponential.

For example, if a race was vulnerable to a metal and an element, using something that had one or the other would hurt them more than using a weapon against them that had none of their vulnerabilities. But, if you had a weapon that had both the metal and the element, it would hurt them more than one single vulnerabilty weapon, but not twice as much. From a number perspective, it would be like normal weapon = 1.0 damage, one vuln weapon = 1.5 damage, two vuln weapon = 1.75 damage.

There are weapons that exploit three vulns, and it would be maybe something like three vuln = 1.95. Its sort of a law of diminishing returns situation. You're still limited by the avg. damage output of the weapon, but sometimes if you can exploit multiple vulnerabilities, its slightly more favorable than wielding a higher avg. weapon with no vuln exploits. Part of game balance and all.
15746, Uh thanks.
Posted by dalneko on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
But really, that's a little more info that was necessary for the question which Theerkla did answer well enough. Simple questions only really need simple answers. Appreciate the numbers though. I'm sure it might come in handy to know sometime.
15748, RE: Weapon Vulns
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM

>There are weapons that exploit three vulns

Uh, like what?
15749, Ornate silver scepter!
Posted by GinGa on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Its silver, blunt and divine power - on a calandaryl skeleton.

I'm not positive blunt and divine power mix but someone went out with two equal weapons, a searing sword and a searing mace. Apparently, the mace hurt more than the sword despite being equal (lightforged weapons, I think). I could be wrong, but thats what I'd felt was right before the test.

Yhorian.
15751, Nope!
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
It's blunt or it's divine power. Either-or.
15761, I once had a giant...
Posted by WildGirl on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
...who had trapping/chilling. The damage I did against Calandaryl skeletons with a divine power mace (blunt + divine + heavy) didn't match the damage I was doing with ornate silver scepters. In fact, I dual wielded the scepters and went to town with oblit/annihalate drums. You can't exploit three vulns like that?
15762, RE: I once had a giant...
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Nope, because the divine power mace isn't blunt.

However, in that case holy + silver probably is greater than just holy.
15763, RE: I once had a giant...
Posted by Valguarnera on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
...who had trapping/chilling. The damage I did against Calandaryl skeletons with a divine power mace (blunt + divine + heavy) didn't match the damage I was doing with ornate silver scepters. In fact, I dual wielded the scepters and went to town with oblit/annihalate drums. You can't exploit three vulns like that?

1) That mace is divine, not blunt. Try to beat up gnomes with it. Is not so good.

2) Nothing is "vuln heavy". Trapping just lets you deal more damage to anything when wielding heavy weapons.

3) Something else is in play there.

4) Some items inflict more or less damage against arbitrary targets. Like Humansunder!

valguarnera@carrionfields.com
15765, Probably as simple as
Posted by Theerkla on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Ornate silver scepter = average 18
15773, Ooooh, oooh!
Posted by GinGa on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
What about buffet of a flying gnome with an magic/air malison!

If that's three vulns hit (flying, blunt and magic) That's three vulns, triple nastiness!

Okay, so its not a weapon. I was trying to think of an odd situation with a heart seeker/amathylar or something. Guess if this isn't right, I can't really think of a situation more than 2 vulns are found.

Yhorian.
15774, RE: Ooooh, oooh!
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Buffet's not bluntful. :)
15776, How about
Posted by DurNominator on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Using the wrathing whitesteel sword named "Duergarsunder" to do the extra buff damage to duergars(Material vuln whitesteel, damage type vuln wrath, special weapon prog vuln Duergarsunder). But if you want a real case with three vulns, Mort's acid vuln half-drow vs Humansunder is the closest thing so far.

On the other note, would magic vuln make you vuln to all spells, such as fireball, or just the damage type magic?
15777, Armored War Barge.
Posted by Straklaw on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Honestly. I don't care who you are, getting canoewhacked by a barge HAS to count for three vulns.
15752, RE: Weapon Vulns
Posted by Mort on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
The Humansunder against an acid-vulnerable half-drow, duh. Sure, one isn't technically a vuln and one is just a half-vuln, but it's 3 damage increases right there!
15753, Actually this raises a question
Posted by Drag0nSt0rm on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
If a damage noun counts as two types of damage for instance Defilement, which I think is Acid and unholy damage, if something was potentially weak to both would this count as a double vuln? Or am I completely full of crap starting at Defilement?
15757, RE: Actually this raises a question
Posted by Daevryn on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
>Or am I completely full of crap starting at
>Defilement?

Yup. Defilement is negative/unholy damage. (To be clear, that's two names for one damage type, not two different damage types.)
15758, Thank you
Posted by Drag0nSt0rm on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
That was perfectly clear, I always did wonder about that...
15769, Got to ask a few more...
Posted by GinGa on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
What kind of damage is Digestion?!?

What does Chaotic Blast count as?

Rending gale? This always seemed to be magical but it doesn't cut through resist physical.

Thanks!

Yhorian.
15771, RE: Got to ask a few more...
Posted by DurNominator on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
rend /rɛnd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, rent, rend·ing.
–verb (used with object) 1. to separate into parts with force or violence: The storm rent the ship to pieces.
2. to tear apart, split, or divide: a racial problem that is rending the nation.
3. to pull or tear violently (often fol. by away, off, up, etc.).
4. to tear (one's garments or hair) in grief, rage, etc.
5. to disturb (the air) sharply with loud noise.
6. to harrow or distress (the heart) with painful feelings.
–verb (used without object) 7. to split or tear something.
8. to become torn or split.


Based on that, I'm going to say that the damage type is slash.
15768, RE: Weapon Vulns
Posted by Isildur on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Whitesteel weapon w/ holy attack on a duergar anathema?
15744, Yes
Posted by Theerkla on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Attack verb and material type are two different things and can each hit separate vulnerabilities. I'm still searching for that whitesteel wrathing weapon to tool duergar.