In the bug board, where you said that stoneform was not supposed to work for liches, you said to blame Zorszaul for that.


That confuses me completely.

I mean, I can understand any number of IC and game balance reasons for it not to work on Liches...

but to blame it on one character?


What...Did zors exploit it for something? Thus all future liches won't be able to even try?

Did you imms just come to the conclusion that it was stoneform that made zors so deadly (not the constant invoker shields, or dopple, or all the progged eq and tat that could kill people even when he was in TCD) that you decided that stoneform overbalanced liches?

I doubt that is the case, Zors had so many things that made fighting him tough, I just don't see you guys landing on one piece of eq he had and saying "That made fighting him unbalanced", without that, he wouldn't have been as tough. And then making so no other liches could use it.


I mean, I could see saying that the amulet has to work on living flesh...and a lich doesn't have any living flesh...but I just don't see how a mortal lich could have done something that forced you to change the item.

>I mean, I could see saying that the amulet has to work on
>living flesh...and a lich doesn't have any living flesh...but

I believe that was the call.

>I just don't see how a mortal lich could have done something
>that forced you to change the item.

As far as I know, no previous lich had the amulet, thus, before that, no one thought very hard about it.

Oftentimes I read logs, like the Zorszaul ones and say to myself 'That couldn't happen today', for whatever reason. Cabdru aside, no character in CF today is simply that dominant. I'll call Cabdru an aberration or fluke, for argument's sake ;)

My question is this, for example the Zorszaul issue. Why wasn't this changed during his mortal days? I don't mean to sound sour grapes here, but why does it appear that it is _after_ someone kicks ass using item/technique/etc that said thing gets changed? Why not do it during the individual in questions tenure?

Or is it more along the lines of after-badass-dies, issues are re-evaluated from a balance standpoint?

On that note. If we can conceive certain things that could fall into this issue, should we notify imms? Thanks for reading!

Imagine how you'd feel if you were rocking around and then they changed the code so you couldn't do what you had been. There are a lot of people that would delete on the spot in a huff and then whine about it for months and craft conspiracies around it for years.

Actually, this happens all the time. I recall for instance things like bloody shackles, when they were less popular, got tweaked a couple times for a few different Vindicators. This is because the skill doesn't see the light of day much, and I believe the Imms strive to even things out balance-wise before 50 people get PK'd from it. Not everyone throws a hissy over it though.

>My question is this, for example the Zorszaul issue. Why
>wasn't this changed during his mortal days? I don't mean to
>sound sour grapes here, but why does it appear that it is
>_after_ someone kicks ass using item/technique/etc that said
>thing gets changed? Why not do it during the individual in
>questions tenure?

In the case of liches and stoneform, it was.

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