To whom it may concern:
I am writing this letter to all of you people whom have turned this mud into a less roleplay more kill anything that moves mud. It seems like the playerbase has become more and more bloodthirsty and less and less about roleplaying. Dont't get me wrong there, there are those that still do attempt to roleplay, but sadly it seems they have become further and fewer between. If your entire intent is to roll something up to kill whatever moves without any reason other that "because I can", "I was bored", "I am just bloodthirsty", or the even better Is not recieving tells, then please, do it somewhere else. I understand not wanting to recieve tells while doing something, but to run around pk'ing everything in sight and not in the least bit interacting...wow. Go play POSmud please, and stop tarnishing CF. I know CF is a bloody, not so nice place, but its far removed from what I remember four years ago when I started. I would like to challenge all those out there to make CF a fun place to be again, instead of a mindless ranking place where nothing is said, and the interaction you get from pk is mostly borderline ooc, along with the reasons for the pk itself. This of course not to all of you, but I will say that I have been rubbed wrong quite often here lately. Please lets restore the roleplay to CF, and come up with something other than the lame and unoriginal ideas that seem to be brought to the table, just so you can have your PBF published with your 100+ player kills. Or atleast lets see those numbers mixed with a little bit of interaction. I am sure I'll be flamed for this, and told this and that, but if any of you out there can say with any certainty that roleplay has take a back seat, then shame on you. Later.

that this type of whining about RP/PK and so on and so forth makes its way into the game. Its like you can't even kill anyone anymore that they don't tell you your a crappy druid, paladin, maran, battlerager. Every ghost in Thera tries to preach your RP to you. Well you know what, ####head*, knock it off!

*Not directed at the poster, just at ####heads in general.

So I have to only make roles for my Orcs and Anti-Paladins that specify a special type of character they will never try to kill?

>So I have to only make roles for my Orcs and Anti-Paladins
>that specify a special type of character they will never try
>to kill?

Did I say that? This is the crap that gets old really quick, the

assinine excuses to the exception, etc. Its not the PK that I am

talking about it is the mindless, no roleplaying PK that people seem

to have grown accustom to. It just seems like the excuse nowadays is

roll some "serial killer" and justify by saying oh thats his role.

All I'm asking is for you people to me more original and not so lame

and solely concerned with pk.

My RP rarely involves having long Bond-esque dialogs with people my character would reasonably loathe or want to obliterate or find weak and prey on.

You play for your reasons, which is fine. I tend to get rather bored sitting around chatting though. I PK because its what I enjoy and unfortunately if I've got my evil necro on and you're one of 3 guys in my range there's a good chance I'm going to hunt you and try to kill you.

Regarding quiet mode, I don't blame people. One of the things that turns me off to the long drawn out Bond-esque dialogs is the fact that typically this is what I hear when I kill someone:

Them- What'd you do that for?

Me- Because it was my desire, at the time.

Them- **** **** I bet you feel real tough, pickin on me. Jackass.

Me- Toughness has nothing to do with it though I can see now I didn't make a mistake in quarreling with you.

Them- Whatever, gimme back my armor or I'll tell the imms on you!

At which point I turn on quiet mode. Ironically, I rarely even loot more than 1 or 2 things, yet 80% of the time someone complains about it.

>Did I say that? This is the crap that gets old really quick,
>the assinine excuses to the exception, etc. Its not the PK that I
>am talking about it is the mindless, no roleplaying PK that
>people seem to have grown accustom to. It just seems like the excuse
>nowadays is roll some "serial killer" and justify by saying oh >thats his role.

A human would probably have to be psychotic to want to kill anything that moved. An orc? That's just the way orcs are.

Honestly, I can think of several robust roles that involve indiscriminate killing. And I don't have a problem with them.

What I do have a problem with are players who kill indiscriminately with characters whose roles don't warrant it.

This is what I mean. Things like a svirf warrior running around killing everything. A gnome shapeshifter flyto murdering anything that happens to move. These are the things I refer to, granted an orc, a necro, duergar warrior...I would expect these things from....but its the others that bug the hell out of me. I guess I wasnt clear enough.

>This is what I mean. Things like a svirf warrior running
>around killing everything. A gnome shapeshifter flyto
>murdering anything that happens to move. These are the things
>I refer to

If anything, the incidents of those kind are drastically down today versus 5-8 years ago.

When was the golden age of role play in CF? Roleplay is up far beyond what it has ever been in the CF landscape. Cloud giant mass murderers used to be the norm. Seriously...

I saw at least 3 of these with my last char. I'm not so sure they're gone so much as you just steamroll them now. *shrug*

It's a tricky and very dicey question to answer when the golden age of CF's roleplay was/is/will be. Mainly because which aspect of roleplay are you referring to?

Intra-cabal roleplay?
Inter-cabal roleplay?
Cabal roleplay as a whole?
Foe vs Foe roleplay?
etc, etc, etc.

The latter one is really what I see a lack of these days, and what *I* think silencedstalk was mostly noticing. Things have become a lot more competitve since the day CF first started letting Therans rumble. Is it a bad thing? Not at all, it's just very different. I think as a whole roleplay is vastly improved...but I think it's hard to see since generally the roleplay is intra-cabal and ally based. IE: If you're a good, you'll see the roleplay of a well played Maran....if you're an evil, chances are he's just kicking your ass (or at least trying to)...just like a lot of goods miss out on some of the really cool Imperial/Scion roleplay. I'm avoiding the phrase 'back in my day'...but, one of my more memorable moments as Shokai (the mortal) was some of the exchanges Boltar and I had.

If anything constructive can come of silencestalk's post, let it be a call for more occasional foe v foe roleplay....not limited to the harassing tell, or the quick sword slash.


- Unca Floofi

This is a pk mud. This is a rp mud. The two do go hand in hand. There have always been and will always be mindless killers. Quite often, they are caught and labeled as such. Recently there have been a few lame assassins who got titles for their ways. It has happened to many other types of players as well. These types of players do not get any of the immortal type rewards. All they get are their lonesome kicks. Those who do both get the good kind of interaction. The good thing about these mindless types of killers is that it gives the other players a chance to learn by thinking about ways to either avoid them or figuring out a way to kill them. If I know a mindless killer is out there and is more than likely trying to find me, I will set the trap for them. You just have to use that type of mentality instead of feed their own little ego trips that only satisfies them.

On another front, the intra-cabal rp has been really solid for awhile now. Empire and scion have always been interesting and more recently, the Outlander cabal has been a blast with the rp and intra-cabal spats. Quite often, Innis and I will have chats over the cabal channel just to keep things going. It is so much better than the past in regards to rp than the old ragers/masters-knights/shadows-justice/entropy.

>> It is so much better than the past in regards to rp than the old ragers/masters-knights/shadows-justice/entropy.

Well obviously you only speak for yourself there. I couldn't disagree more. I find that the inter-cabal politics these days are a maze within a minefield. Black and white, like the old days, is what I prefer.

My golden age though was way back in the day when people used to play CF wearing a tank top and thongs. They didn't have to have a shower and a shave then dress up in a white collar and black bow-tie before getting skull. My golden age was before Quake was made, so that people couldn't say "Go play Quake you bloodthirsty killer". It was a day before the heart explosions, before distention, a day when you could log on, kill a few people in MUD school, get slayed a few times all while listening to the lastest Smashing Pumpkins CD. My golden age was before the forums, when the player count was over 100 and you didn't know 99 of them OOC. My golden age was when you didn't have to make excuses for every single act of violence, a time when you could kill Bob the Invoker because you just damn felt like it. My golen age was a time when the only penalty for botting AFK was arriving back at your keyboard at the altar. My golden age was when I was learning how to PK .. the hard way (charm/tess underwater). I guess ultimately though, my golden age of CF was a time when people weren't complaining about "mindless" (*) killers, they were fearing them.

(*) I've always found mindless to be an ignorant word to use when describing people who focus more on the PK side of CF. What everyone has to understand is that each person who plays CF is unique. They have their own PK/RP ratio. You may find some characters bordering on "one dimensional" because they do not have fifteen chapters in their role or some overly articulate description, but you may be suprised to find out that if YOU actually try to initiate some sort of interaction with them, you may get a response. People who follow up getting PK'd by praying about it or running to the forums to bad mouth them just sicken me. If you want to be immersed in a completely RP environment, then CF is not for you. If you enjoy RPing and do it well, how on earth can you criticise someone who enjoys PKing and also does that well? If you can't hack getting PK'd then get the #### out.

TRUE THAT!

"It is so much better than the past in regards to rp than the old ragers/masters-knights/shadows-justice/entropy."

You mean like; Narsche says, 'Spam get all altar!'

At least someone got it. There is a difference between a golden age and fond memories. I have fond memories of playing Asteroids when it first came out. It sure as heck isn't what I would call the golden age of video games.

True. But it's hard.

It's like when you use your turn signal before switching lanes. You don't want to signal your next move to your enemy! :P

>It's like when you use your turn signal before switching
>lanes. You don't want to signal your next move to your enemy!
> :P

I've been saying that for years and they called me crazy. :(

You ARE crazy. In a sort of mad-genius, crazy-uncle-in-the-basement-closet-who-we-still-love-and-let-out-on-holidays kind of way :P


In response to Balrahd...believe me I know it's hard, and I'm not so much saying *everyone* should attempt it. I'm just saying that there are oppurtunities to roleplay with enemies outside of 'Die you pig####er!' or the 'why did you kill me?' type tells back and forth. Roleplay doesn't even have to involve face to face or same room interactions...you could discuss the difference of goals and agendas via tells (if applicable), or what not. Foe vs foe roleplay doesn't work for all roles, and in some cases it's almost breaking role to do so...but there are some cases where I see people miss a golden oppurtunity.

Zebra cakes and diet mountain dew all around.

>>This is what I mean. Things like a svirf warrior running
>>around killing everything. A gnome shapeshifter flyto
>>murdering anything that happens to move. These are the
>things
>>I refer to
>
>If anything, the incidents of those kind are drastically down
>today versus 5-8 years ago.

Immortals have the power to bring it to zero on a rp mud.

editted to add: players have the responsibilty to keep it down, save for newbies coming in.

>A human would probably have to be psychotic to want to kill
>anything that moved. An orc? That's just the way orcs are.

Agreed. Bloodlusted mindless orcs. Orcs usually follow orders a lot from bigger/stronger orcs.

>Honestly, I can think of several robust roles that involve
>indiscriminate killing. And I don't have a problem with
>them.

I can too. But still, without reasons to substantiate them to kill another pc, it's just blatant pking, hack and slash style. Unless as you put it well, pyschotic. Does the mud want everyone in it to play pyschotic pcs so they can go around killing?

>What I do have a problem with are players who kill
>indiscriminately with characters whose roles don't
>warrant it.

Agreed.

>To whom it may concern:
> I am writing this letter to all of you people whom have
>turned this mud into a less roleplay more kill anything that
>moves mud. It seems like the playerbase has become more and
>more bloodthirsty and less and less about roleplaying. Dont't
>get me wrong there, there are those that still do attempt to
>roleplay, but sadly it seems they have become further and
>fewer between. If your entire intent is to roll something up
>to kill whatever moves without any reason other that "because
>I can", "I was bored", "I am just bloodthirsty", or the even
>better Is not recieving tells, then please, do it somewhere
>else. I understand not wanting to recieve tells while doing
>something, but to run around pk'ing everything in sight and
>not in the least bit interacting...wow. Go play POSmud
>please, and stop tarnishing CF. I know CF is a bloody, not so
>nice place, but its far removed from what I remember four
>years ago when I started. I would like to challenge all those
>out there to make CF a fun place to be again, instead of a
>mindless ranking place where nothing is said, and the
>interaction you get from pk is mostly borderline ooc, along
>with the reasons for the pk itself. This of course not to all
>of you, but I will say that I have been rubbed wrong quite
>often here lately. Please lets restore the roleplay to CF,
>and come up with something other than the lame and unoriginal
>ideas that seem to be brought to the table, just so you can
>have your PBF published with your 100+ player kills. Or
>atleast lets see those numbers mixed with a little bit of
>interaction. I am sure I'll be flamed for this, and told this
>and that, but if any of you out there can say with any
>certainty that roleplay has take a back seat, then shame on
>you. Later.

Word to the wise, use line breaks. I got bored after the 2nd sentence.

As to what I could infer from your post, it's nothing new.