Tue Dec 21 00:19:46 2010

At 9 o'clock PM, Day of the Bull, 1st of the Month of the Battle
on the Theran calendar Thrunna perished, never to return.

Race:	orc
Class:	berserker
Level:	51
Alignment:	Evil
Ethos:	Chaotic
Cabal:	None, None
Age:	66
Hours:	446

too bad I never one. It usually wasn't even close. I thought you had pretty cool RP and were fun having around.

Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think you've actually got me though?
Was fun to have a seriously dangerous Orc running around.

SYWYN

Thieves are a pain in the ass enough to kill without them getting a dodge bash skill, but hey, thems the breaks. We had some good fights when you and some of the other forties would come at me... Getting jacked and having my inventory stolen is not fun though :P

For what its worth, I could never say IC, but Balta liked Thrunna... pretty much always ready for a fight, usually causing chaos and mayhem? What not to like?

Think we had some pretty good fights, you are the first orc, Ive came across which would give me pause before I struck out...

You have some good skills.. kept me on my toes, either our fights would go a> I completely dominate Thrunna and she ran... or b> Thrunna would dominate me and I would run... anything inbetween rarely happened... and most times seems it was B...

I also enjoyed how you roleplayed the whole Truhukk thing (who?)...

And... Balta is sad he can no longer give you strange diseases ;)...

GLWYN...

come back to outtie.. just not as an orc.

Balta

So, I'm going to commence with the bitching, because it's what all my orc death threads have in common, and I wouldn't want to break the streak. These are the orc skills that are not useful:

BERSERKER
Level 2:
Skill: Dirt Kicking
Skill: Elbow
Level 3:
Skill: Knee
Level 4:
Skill: Kick
Level 8:
Skill: Scavenging
Level 17:
Skill: Thrust(Polearm/Spear)
evel 19:
Skill: Slice
Level 20:
Skill: Shield Cleave(Axe)
Skill: Headbutt
Skill: Pen
Level 22:
Skill: Bloodletting
Level 23:
Skill: Crushing Assault
Level 25:
Skill: Steal
Skill: Bloodsteep(Sword/Dagger/Spear)
Level 28:
Skill: Last Stand
Level 31:
Skill: Pin(Spear/Polearm)
Level 34:
Skill: Fashion War Banner
Level 35:
Skill: Enslave
Level 36:
Skill: Bully
Level 39:
Skill: Track Prey
Level 40:
Skill: Desecration
Skill: Set Snares
Level 43:
Skill: Pillage(Shig-ru)
Level 48:
Skill: Dash (*dubious usefullness at this rank, especially since it doesn't get around elf autoattack*)
Level 50:
Skill: Overrun
Level 51:
Skill: Assemble Horde
Skill: Demand Tribute
Skill: Rally Forces

(note: I actually started pasting these in, and then realized it would be easier to delete the one that are actually useful)

I can go through each of these and state why you won't ever need, or shouldn't ever use them, or why they are just plain stupid to waste practices on, but I won't in the interest of time.

That said. I had a ton of fun as Thrunna. I managed to limit the people wanting to actively kill me in a such a fashion as to make my life bearable. I managed to fight/kill some very tough opponents. I managed to make orcs at least somewhat scary. I remember in Preawniks death thread him saying something like "Thrunna I don't think you are as tough as you think you are" and to that I must say, Thrunna was exactly as tough as she believed she was.

I'm not going to say individual player good-byes, but if you have something to say, I'll reply.

Overseer (I an never remeber how to spell Anilueitel or whatever): I don't know what happened with the Boar Hunt, but since the whole point was to inspire an IC Orc Fest, it was an utter failure before it ever failed to happen, so there isn't much to say there. I think you are cool, but the Clan needs an immortal who is willing to do a lot of work that I don't think a HeroImm is capable of. Hope you get your religion soon (if you haven't already) and can help Grinning Skull rock.

Zulg: I love you, I really do, but I have no f'ing clue what you were expecting from Thrunna. I always seem to have this issue where I walk into an interaction and I can't seem to figure out what the hell the immortal on the other end is looking for. It's like a game where no one has bothered to tell me the rules. You know my role, but I don't know yours, and that hardly seems fair.

Keep doing what you do though. I figured it was a long shot when I thought, Hey, one of my spheres overlaps with Zulg's and Thrunna could totally fit in his religion.

That is all for now, post and I'll reply, don't post and I won't.

Tac

Sucks at hero pk.

.

Really enjoyed our interactions as well damn I forgot what my orcs name was. Well played though I always wondered who would have won a fight between the two of us. But I generally tried to stay away from that situation,

The mundunugu, or were you Gutluk?

Aww thats right Nuffaekth. Mundungus. The sub class was suprisingly strong. Fought cawr with jharazoul healing him for quite a while. Could have killed him without the healer probaly ten times over, but alas bash finally caught up to me. The subclass was severely limited by its strongest abilities needing pc bodies and body parts, but when you got them you were rolling through people. (Yay 14 hour haste!!)

>Overseer (I an never remeber how to spell Anilueitel or
>whatever): I don't know what happened with the Boar Hunt, but
>since the whole point was to inspire an IC Orc Fest, it was an
>utter failure before it ever failed to happen, so there isn't
>much to say there. I think you are cool, but the Clan needs
>an immortal who is willing to do a lot of work that I don't
>think a HeroImm is capable of. Hope you get your religion
>soon (if you haven't already) and can help Grinning Skull
>rock.

It was all set up to run, not sure who didn't do what.

>Zulg: I love you, I really do, but I have no f'ing clue what
>you were expecting from Thrunna. I always seem to have this
>issue where I walk into an interaction and I can't seem to
>figure out what the hell the immortal on the other end is
>looking for. It's like a game where no one has bothered to
>tell me the rules. You know my role, but I don't know yours,
>and that hardly seems fair.

My role is simple...I'm an Immortal and you want to follow me. Impress me.

Our chat was...odd. I kept trying to understand why you wanted to follow me (what I do with everyone who comes to talk to me), and I never really got the impression you had any idea what my religion was about. Everytime you started down a path I poked holes in your logic, and you ignored that and stumbled on.

>Keep doing what you do though. I figured it was a long shot
>when I thought, Hey, one of my spheres overlaps with Zulg's
>and Thrunna could totally fit in his religion.

I honestly felt like coming to Zulg was an afterthought, and you were trying to duct tape & staple something together that might get you somewhere with me. As with most conversations that go this way, I told you to go, and I'd keep an eye on you...and I did.

>>Overseer (I an never remeber how to spell Anilueitel or
>>whatever): I don't know what happened with the Boar Hunt,
>but
>>since the whole point was to inspire an IC Orc Fest, it was
>an
>>utter failure before it ever failed to happen, so there
>isn't
>>much to say there. I think you are cool, but the Clan needs
>>an immortal who is willing to do a lot of work that I don't
>>think a HeroImm is capable of. Hope you get your religion
>>soon (if you haven't already) and can help Grinning Skull
>>rock.
>
>It was all set up to run, not sure who didn't do what.

Aniliutiel wasn't around at the scheduled time. I don't think I saw him again afterward. Either way, it was a failure before it started since it was supposed to inspire people to play orcs. So no big deal either way.

>>Zulg: I love you, I really do, but I have no f'ing clue
>what
>>you were expecting from Thrunna. I always seem to have this
>>issue where I walk into an interaction and I can't seem to
>>figure out what the hell the immortal on the other end is
>>looking for. It's like a game where no one has bothered to
>>tell me the rules. You know my role, but I don't know
>yours,
>>and that hardly seems fair.
>
>My role is simple...I'm an Immortal and you want to follow me.
> Impress me.

I don't know what I could have done to be impressive in the general sense. 10-1 pk win to loss ratio + solo killer + strong orc chief presence over time seems impressive to me, but perhaps you were looking at something else? I mean orcs don't just kill druids, I'm fairly certain Shura took the anti-paralysis edge just to fight me. I was well respected by allies and enemies (as far as I could tell).

>Our chat was...odd. I kept trying to understand why you
>wanted to follow me (what I do with everyone who comes to talk
>to me), and I never really got the impression you had any idea
>what my religion was about. Everytime you started down a path
>I poked holes in your logic, and you ignored that and stumbled
>on.

Perhaps this is part of the disconnect I have. Your religion is about leadership... why would I want to follow you at all? I wasn't trying to explain why I wanted to follow you so much as explain why I was a good leader. More like (I imagine) being a legend of thera (ala Kasty) then trying to get empowerment or something. Your poking holes in my logic consisted of telling me (from my point of view at least) that I can never accomplish anything IC because the mechanics of the game don't support it.

I mean, someone thought my speeches to the kobolds etc. were cool, but then I got completely ignored when I went out and did them. As an the Orc Chief in the world of Thera, it seems immanently within my power to enslave every Kobold in the Kobold Warren and force march them to the Grinning Skull village and force them in to labor there. You know what's stopping me? Mechanics. I was actually trying to come up with a way to enslave them and then drop them off in the village, but couldn't come up with anything other than quitting to leave the mob there without killing it/causing it to dissapear from nofol pets.

>>Keep doing what you do though. I figured it was a long shot
>>when I thought, Hey, one of my spheres overlaps with Zulg's
>>and Thrunna could totally fit in his religion.
>
>I honestly felt like coming to Zulg was an afterthought, and
>you were trying to duct tape & staple something together that
>might get you somewhere with me. As with most conversations
>that go this way, I told you to go, and I'd keep an eye on
>you...and I did.
>

Some direction in that matter might have been nice. If my character didn't fit your vision of what a Zulg "follower" is, communicating what path to take to become that character seems like a reasonable thing to do. Maybe you can't/don't want to do that as the IC Zulg, but you have options. At least if I knew what you wanted from me I could have chosen to try for it, or abandon it. As it was, it seemed like there was no chance, so why bother doing anything different?

I know it probably seems like I'm disgruntled or something, but that really isn't the case. I just really don't understand why my Immteractions consistently end up seeming like pointless exercises, and if I can gain some insight as to what went wrong with this one, perhaps I can make my next one more successful. Hell, maybe someday I'll actually be able to play an empowerment character.

>>>Overseer (I an never remeber how to spell Anilueitel or
>>>whatever): I don't know what happened with the Boar Hunt,
>>but
>>>since the whole point was to inspire an IC Orc Fest, it was
>>an
>>>utter failure before it ever failed to happen, so there
>>isn't
>>>much to say there. I think you are cool, but the Clan
>needs
>>>an immortal who is willing to do a lot of work that I don't
>>>think a HeroImm is capable of. Hope you get your religion
>>>soon (if you haven't already) and can help Grinning Skull
>>>rock.
>>
>>It was all set up to run, not sure who didn't do what.
>
>Aniliutiel wasn't around at the scheduled time. I don't think
>I saw him again afterward. Either way, it was a failure
>before it started since it was supposed to inspire people to
>play orcs. So no big deal either way.
>

We tried to set it up the one time and agreed to postpone it due to the lack of orcs logged in. After you quit out, two more showed up, which would have made three total. Still not a lot, and I can understand why you quit.

The second time is completely my fault - I was logged in 30 minutes before the scheduled start time and got distracted by something afk while waiting for it to start. The higher-up immortal who was actually running the quest informed me that there were hardly any orcs on for our second try either (not that that excuses me not being there - I AM sorry).

In the end, I thought you did a good job with your RP and making orc presence felt. In the end, though, it wasn't enough to get people to roll orcs and participate in clan activities. That's not a reflection on you; merely stating a fact.

You were a good character, and I hope you continue adding to CF with more of the same.

Anliltuel

Like, work with what you have, not with what you hope to have.
It's a bit of a stretch to suddenly expect people to roll an Orc, out of the blue.

... but the quest was not my idea. It's something that Thrunna put into her role and requested I do for her. She completed the tasks I set out and so the quest was built for her.

I am sorry it didn't pan out.

Kudos for that :)

>I don't know what I could have done to be impressive in the
>general sense. 10-1 pk win to loss ratio + solo killer +

These don't matter.

>strong orc chief presence over time

This is better.

>I mean orcs
>don't just kill druids, I'm fairly certain Shura took the
>anti-paralysis edge just to fight me.

I have no idea why you even mentioned this.

>I was well respected by
>allies and enemies (as far as I could tell).

This also plays in better to the religion.


>>Our chat was...odd. I kept trying to understand why you
>>wanted to follow me (what I do with everyone who comes to
>talk
>>to me), and I never really got the impression you had any
>idea
>>what my religion was about. Everytime you started down a
>path
>>I poked holes in your logic, and you ignored that and
>stumbled
>>on.
>
>Perhaps this is part of the disconnect I have. Your religion
>is about leadership... why would I want to follow you at all?
> I wasn't trying to explain why I wanted to follow you so much
>as explain why I was a good leader.

Which is the route most people go.

>More like (I imagine)
>being a legend of thera (ala Kasty) then trying to get
>empowerment or something. Your poking holes in my logic
>consisted of telling me (from my point of view at least) that
>I can never accomplish anything IC because the mechanics of
>the game don't support it.

You were focused on your legacy, what you were leaving behind, over and over. Why can't you be a leader now, not a rememberance?

>I mean, someone thought my speeches to the kobolds etc. were
>cool, but then I got completely ignored when I went out and
>did them. As an the Orc Chief in the world of Thera, it seems
>immanently within my power to enslave every Kobold in the
>Kobold Warren and force march them to the Grinning Skull
>village and force them in to labor there. You know what's
>stopping me? Mechanics. I was actually trying to come up
>with a way to enslave them and then drop them off in the
>village, but couldn't come up with anything other than
>quitting to leave the mob there without killing it/causing it
>to dissapear from nofol pets.

Yes, you seemed to want to do things that you just can't due to mechanics...so why did you keep pushing on it? What were you really hoping for? I was completely lost.

>>>Keep doing what you do though. I figured it was a long
>shot
>>>when I thought, Hey, one of my spheres overlaps with Zulg's
>>>and Thrunna could totally fit in his religion.
>>
>>I honestly felt like coming to Zulg was an afterthought, and
>>you were trying to duct tape & staple something together
>that
>>might get you somewhere with me. As with most conversations
>>that go this way, I told you to go, and I'd keep an eye on
>>you...and I did.
>>
>Some direction in that matter might have been nice. If my
>character didn't fit your vision of what a Zulg "follower" is,
>communicating what path to take to become that character seems
>like a reasonable thing to do. Maybe you can't/don't want to
>do that as the IC Zulg, but you have options. At least if I
>knew what you wanted from me I could have chosen to try for
>it, or abandon it. As it was, it seemed like there was no
>chance, so why bother doing anything different?

Some direction in the matter that it seemed like coming to me was an afterthought? I try to be as open-minded as possible about the various ways to be a great leader, and don't have a fixed vision of what a Zulg follower is. I also don't have lots of advice for you..."Go be more leadery" isn't helpful, and is implied already. As I said, I'd keep watching and see what transpires.

>I know it probably seems like I'm disgruntled or something,
>but that really isn't the case. I just really don't
>understand why my Immteractions consistently end up seeming
>like pointless exercises, and if I can gain some insight as to
>what went wrong with this one, perhaps I can make my next one
>more successful. Hell, maybe someday I'll actually be able to
>play an empowerment character.

Tattoo'ing & Empowerment are two different beasts, and tattoo is much harder. A single conversation isn't going to make that happen. I'm fairly certain after our talk, you never even came back to my shrine, so I assumed you'd given up.

>You were focused on your legacy, what you were leaving behind,
>over and over. Why can't you be a leader now, not a
>rememberance?

I honestly thought if I mention leading now, you would ask who I was leading. Being that at any given time there only seems to be 2-3 orcs, it seemed like a non-starter to bring up. Perhaps I was mistaken.

>Yes, you seemed to want to do things that you just can't due
>to mechanics...so why did you keep pushing on it? What were
>you really hoping for? I was completely lost.

Because while I can't do it, you can. I'm not likely to Imm ever, so if I want to affect change, why isn't playing a character with that goal and getting an immortal involved to help realize that goal a reasonable step? There seems to be some clear delineation in your mind between what can be accomplish IC, and what can be done via an Immortal wearing their buildering/coding hat. I don't have that delineation, which is perhaps part of the disconnect.

>Some direction in the matter that it seemed like coming to me
>was an afterthought? I try to be as open-minded as possible
>about the various ways to be a great leader, and don't have a
>fixed vision of what a Zulg follower is. I also don't have
>lots of advice for you..."Go be more leadery" isn't helpful,
>and is implied already. As I said, I'd keep watching and see
>what transpires.

I agree with what you've written here, except the part where coming to you as an afterthought is default negative. With the fleeting and unreliable nature of Immteraction, do you honestly expect any follower to be rolled and played with that specifically in mind the entire time? I just can't bring myself to do that when it might takes weeks to even get an Imm to talk to you, and that talk could go so horribly wrong that that avenue of the character seems closed forever. If my character was "just" a Zulg follower, or if that was a main tenent, I'd want to delete. I, personally, would rather play a character that grows in to an Imm, but isn't wholly focused on them so that if it doesn't work out (or they simply fade and disappear *Grobbak*) the character isn't a complete loss.

>Tattoo'ing & Empowerment are two different beasts, and tattoo
>is much harder. A single conversation isn't going to make
>that happen. I'm fairly certain after our talk, you never
>even came back to my shrine, so I assumed you'd given up.

I had given up. I also wasn't angling for a tattoo. Honestly the thought never even crossed my mind. The purpose was to involve you in the leadering of the other goblinoid races and maybe get some traction on that project. It appeared as that wouldn't happen, so I chose not to devote more time an effort there. If that seems unreasonable, please tell me so, but it seems logical to me.

Tac

>>I had given up. I also wasn't angling for a tattoo. Honestly the thought never even crossed my mind.

You're in my spheres, you're coming to talk to me, we're talking about leadership...and you aren't even thinking of my tattoo. That's a first.

>>Yes, you seemed to want to do things that you just can't due
>>to mechanics...so why did you keep pushing on it? What were
>>you really hoping for? I was completely lost.
>
>Because while I can't do it, you can. I'm not likely to Imm
>ever, so if I want to affect change, why isn't playing a
>character with that goal and getting an immortal involved to
>help realize that goal a reasonable step? There seems to be
>some clear delineation in your mind between what can be
>accomplish IC, and what can be done via an Immortal wearing
>their buildering/coding hat. I don't have that delineation,
>which is perhaps part of the disconnect.

So what you're doing is asking me to do is change the world for you through code. It really doesn't work that way. The majority of changes like that come through the forums, discussions amongst immortals, Santa Zulg, etc. I put your request in line with a shapeshifter writing a role about being a <insert quest form here>.

>I agree with what you've written here, except the part where
>coming to you as an afterthought is default negative.

Call it experience. Typically it's people trying to wedge their character into something it wasn't originally planned to be with marginal, at best, results. I wouldn't say it's 100% negative, but there are few who've done it well.

>With
>the fleeting and unreliable nature of Immteraction, do you
>honestly expect any follower to be rolled and played with that
>specifically in mind the entire time? I just can't bring
>myself to do that when it might takes weeks to even get an Imm
>to talk to you, and that talk could go so horribly wrong that
>that avenue of the character seems closed forever.

There are lots of people who do this and are quite successful at it. Personally I pick a sphere and don't go for the Immteraction myself.

>If my
>character was "just" a Zulg follower, or if that was a main
>tenent, I'd want to delete. I, personally, would rather play
>a character that grows in to an Imm, but isn't wholly focused
>on them so that if it doesn't work out (or they simply fade
>and disappear *Grobbak*) the character isn't a complete loss.

This makes no sense to me. So if an Imm stops talking to you, you'll just delete? Maybe you should avoid Immortals all together.
It sounds like you just want to go with whatever Imm will talk to you, and keep talking to you.

>I had given up. I also wasn't angling for a tattoo. Honestly
>the thought never even crossed my mind. The purpose was to
>involve you in the leadering of the other goblinoid races and
>maybe get some traction on that project. It appeared as that
>wouldn't happen, so I chose not to devote more time an effort
>there. If that seems unreasonable, please tell me so, but it
>seems logical to me.

I guess I'm just as lost as before...why do you think the Immortal Zulghinlour would help you with this? The Immortal Zulghinlour could give a crap about orcs wanting to enslave kobolds, and has no reason to help you.

Ultimately, I guess I'm saying if you want to drive change like that into the game, the forums is a better place to do it, than a character trying to convince a coder to do some work for them veiled as some sort of non-religiousy discussion.

I never knew you in game, but your logs are what brought me back to CF. You seemed to kick some major butt with this Orc, and my hats off to you for that.

After reading your list of "useless" skills and how you had to limit the amount of people wanting to kill you, raised this question with me. Why can't Orcs be in Cabals? I know the whole clan thing...but I don't think it's working out that well, if what your saying is true.

I could be wrong, but Orcs have it rough, would be nice to have a Cabal with ACTIVE members to have your back.

Thanks for all the fun logs to read.

I enjoy posting them. It's a shame posting them here is such a hassle and Imms don't comment, because I think there was some stuff in those logs that was interesting.

As to your question, I don't know. I think it would be hard to go that route now, especially since I imagine certain orc abilities combined with certain cabal powers would indeed be unbalanced. I've always thought the Clan should be a cabal in its own right, but that doesn't seem to be the way the staff wants to go. For the longest time, keeping orcs as complete punching bags seemed to be the way they wanted to go, but things have progressed from there.

Orcs have it rough because they have zero natural allies but two entire cabals wanting to kill them. I agree it would be nice to have some support, but I seriously doubt that is in the cards.

I liked what little I saw of this character. I thought you did a good job inspiring young orcs as well as making those in your pk range have a decent amount of respect/fear of your abilities. Sadly, not many opportunities popped up for us to interact, because I think it would have proven a very good experience. Well done.

Nae-nae

Level 23:
Skill: Crushing Assault
Skill: Fashion War Banner
Level 35:
Skill: Enslave
Level 36:
Skill: Bully
Level 40:
Skill: Desecration
Skill: Set Snares
Skill: Assemble Horde


Useless? Really? Dude, no wonder you suck at hero PK. :)

I don't get it why do you have so few PK's? Based on what i saw IC i was sure you will kill more than 200 people. Did you spend most of the time gathering blood?

And about useless orc's skills. Spinebreak and trampling with edges to imrpove it alone worth 20 skills + 20 spells + specialization + legacy + 20 thief points + ...


Can you list your previous characters? You was very very good :) Respect man, even though you always tried to call someone in to gank me after you spinebroke me. I think you would actually kill me if you didn't do it.

Did the newbie academy sitting at level one really make that much of a difference? I saw you sitting there for RL weeks it seemed like at level 1.

Thrunna was a beast, no doubt about it. I would always scream at my screen when things were going my way as Kourin and you'd break my back. Ugh, that was such a disheartening thing. I like the Character though. Well played.

GLWYN

I guess I didn't convey it as well as I thought I did, but basically she was in the breeding pens for the first part of her life (until she could no longer produce offspring) and then came out and went all berserker. I idled for the first 250 hours (roughly) until I reached middle age. It was why she was always complaining and making a point of being old and all that.

Shifters are a real pain in the ass for orcs to fight, so any time an orc can make their day miserable, it is a good day for an orc.

Isn't there a flaw for that?

But feel free to ask Santa Zulg.

Editted to add:

Frail
Clumsy
Ignorant
Foolish
Sickly
Repulsive
Teleportation Sickness
Susceptible to Magic
Narcoleptic
Gimpy
No Undead
Unsteady Hand
Dopey
Reckless
Macho
Disorganized
Hemophiliac
Squeamish
Weak
Myopic
Coward
Conspicuous
Rushing Adrenaline
Lightning Rod
Oblivious
Death Taboo
Thick Fur
Ancestral Curse
Extreme Paranoia
City Slicker

And shot down every time for whatever reason.

250 hours? I don't think I've had a char over 250 hours ever in the past 12 years.

Awww, this is sad. Thrunna rocked!!
Concept, RP, fighting, the whole shebang.
Sorry for messing up your plans for Truhukk :(

You were Thrunna's one chance at having an orc ally to rock with, and believe me, we could have rocked together, but you totally screwed it up by going all goodie on me. I'm glad you played out the whole not being squelched thing and all that as part of your role. I thought that was one of Thrunna's more devious maneuvers.

I had fun with Truhukk though, and the drunken mother thing was fun, even if Jesmeus kept trying to screw it up.

But believe me, I really did want to see how many charges you were worth. Was hoping we'd need to kill you down in hell for one reason or the other.

I enjoyed our rp sessions, good char overall. Why the delete?

But I was more interested in limiting my number of enemies. No sense in having the entire Theran population hunting you when you can fairly well count on an ally count (in Clan) of zero.

The one time you slept me, I had run out of detect invis, but seeing as plague was pointless, there was little chance of my dying. I would have been worth about 6 charges (less at that time) if my calculations are correct.

The delete is because for the last couple of weeks (since I got a stable internet connection at my new house) I was trying to figure out what to do with the character. Since I was getting exactly no where with any of the stuff that I tried to do with the character, and since I had nothing left to accomplish with the character, it seemed time.