Wed Oct 6 21:31:48 2010

At 9 o'clock PM, Day of the Great Gods, 12th of the Month of the Winter Wolf
on the Theran calendar Balthudar perished, never to return.

Race:	dwarf
Class:	warrior
Level:	51
Alignment:	Neutral
Ethos:	Chaotic
Cabal:	BATTLE, the BattleRagers, Haters of Magic
Age:	135
Hours:	133

The build worked about like I expected it would.

I found myself rarely ever fighting mages, though. Shapeshifters some, but other than that it was bards, druids, warriors...was kinda annoying to be honest, since the build was based around killing mages.

It worked pretty well against druids too, especially once none had a level advantage on me, but meh. I just wasn't having fun anymore.

I kept trying to make myself start enjoying the character, but finally decided that despite spending a lot of hours perfecting stuff like entwine/etc., I simply wasn't enjoying it.

Thanks to everyone I interacted with. Ohbehb, thanks for the induct.

I had fun messing with you ;)

Your more than welcome to come back to the Village!

We never really got to muck around together all that much, but still you always seemed solid to me.

Good luck with what you roll next.

What was your build huh?

dwarf whip/flail hth gates whispers berserker

Wield one whip, entwine and you're using ironhands right away (please feel free to dirt me thank you), pummel or crushingblow, bloodthirst if need be.

You know twist I would have to say that build is pretty much designed not to fight mages but to fight warriors, bards, druids, etc.


I mean while lash is great entwine is not super effective against mages since they all have word of recall.

Hand is more neccesary when you deal with maledictors which are really only a-p's and necros and they tend to be a minority of the mage crowd.

The most common mage fight/kill is shifters and vital isn't exactly big on maledictions.

I mean the combo itself has great potential but I don't see how you envisioned it to be a mage killing combo. Only A-P's can dirt kick btw.


I am curious about the whispers legacy though. What kind of hp regen would you say you were seeing with it per tick while just walking around (standing) (10-50, 50-100, 100-150, 150-200)

I agreed. As a mage, I do not really care about entwine - I can word anytime. No problems. HtH spec is not very damaging/lagging imo. Probably good against necros/aps but what about other mages? It looks like anti-melee build. You do not care about disarm, you nerf their dodge, etc.

The build was all about killing mages and ppl who came into the village. Lash works for mages outside reliably.

It was also quite cool for me that my tattoo cursed. I surprised a few mages with that, let me tell you.

-----Abernyte

Without it I see no problem wording out. I fought flail specs before as a mage, never had problems with them. Maces/axes were much worse for me. Sometimes daggers.

Deleting that was dumb. IIRC you had all 100s. Basically one of the most powerful combos possible, IMHO, given the spam prac being done and having that tat.

which was basically done and just needed tarting up and tweaking but I was getting stiffed by Valg at the time and in retrospect should have just deleted Grogim instead of Broghelan.

-----Abernyte

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... was for fighting someone who:

A. Was in the village.
B. Got cocky and let me get them close to half-ish health before wording.
C. Got cocky because I ran for a couple ticks and whispers regen made me halfway healthy again while they hadn't healed much at all.

I've found that most mages will die more to a skill like crushing blow (or pincer) than trip/cranial. I suspect this is because many mage players (myself included) will just word once they start getting cranialed - it'll still take like 4 rounds to go through because I've entered too many commands or whatever, but eventually it'll go through.

Crushingblow (or pincer), though, especially when done by surprise, will seal a kill a lot better. At least for how I play.

With only a 19 wis max?

How well did it work for you?

Also, you laid waste to an arial experiment of mine in like Two or three rounds without missing once.

I had a stupid amount of -AC (Probably -350 or more)at Level 15, as well as parry and shield block and you went right through it.

Nobody else in the game even hit me once with normal Melee up to that point. Why were you able to so easilly bypass that as a lvl 20 flail spec? You didn't seem to be wearing anything amazing at the time. Any idea?

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For whatever reason, my Balthudar logs start when the char was past level 25.

And I don't remember the fight. So...yeah no idea offhand.

Worked great. I could sleep for 2 ticks and heal up 1000 hp.

Even fighting, when combined with gates, I would generally heal faster than I'd take damage against leveling-mobs.

I helped several ragers hero after I did because skeletons were pretty easy - start with strip with my pounding-damage whip, once they had no weapons entwine and pummel/crushingblow/evasion and I'd be taking MUTILATES most of the time when they hit me.

With 1400 hp to blow through, we'd regularly clean off the mountain without needing to rest if I was with guys who could do enough damage.

It has been hinted that wise recovery would allow whispers to work with your wisdom as well. Perhaps they thought it worked on wisdom all the time.

It would if you had the edge and wis was higher than con, but it appears to work off of your regen and act as a multiplier which will be con based unless you have the edge and wise recovery. I did take whispers with a 19 con char, took all the healing edges. Could heal about 350 per tick when asleep. So I imagine all that with 25 con would be much higher.
Did not take wise recovery though, as 19 to 21 seemed not worth it.

That would definitly back up Twists experience with big con.

N/T

Fdg

Did it on a gnome once and I've done it on an arial. The gnome was insane! :D + it's rare that your wis goes down.

Then the Wise Recovery edge was unnecesary and thus a waste of edge points.

So you might have thought the edge WR was kicking azz but in reality it was taking no part in the equation.

WHISPERS OF THE GREAT SEIGE
Those warriors who heard the Whispers of the Great Siege knew the nature of
hardship, and are tenacious even in lean times. Learning to quickly recover
from injury, and stretch rations of food and water to their limits, these
warriors learned to SUBSTITUTE WILLPOWER for more mundane needs of the
flesh, fighting on through the worst of conditions.

The will power part might imply something about what immediately precedes it. Stretching rations of food and water, they subsist on will power instead of those things.
Whispers you have to eat and drink less.

Read all the way through that sentence.

and this is really not the right place for discussion but nep at one point was kind enough to explain the interaction between whispers and wise recovery.

And people happily ran with the wrong conclusion.

I mean, I really shouldn't even be asking since I know the answer.

Will saves in DnD are calculated using your wisdom modifier.

Fgg