Wed Apr 29 23:22:50 2009

At 4 o'clock AM, Day of the Bull, 22nd of the Month of the Long Shadows
on the Theran calendar Egrelam perished, never to return.

Race:	human
Class:	bard
Level:	51
Alignment:	Neutral
Ethos:	Neutral
Cabal:	None, None
Age:	64
Hours:	320

Alright I am not even sure where to start.
Let me tell you my story:
I have been mudding since 1998 maybe 1999 and was known as one of those Russian cheaters was part of elite Russian circle blah blah during the times when Waigretis was around, Rooqweaz, Zorszaul, Muskul, Drucyrus and bunch of other people.
My previous char got denied for arguing with imms for spreading info about Silent Tower, Hell and pretty much everything else.
Egrelam was a come back character after 2-3 year break and I just wanted to see if I can do it.
PK was no interest to me I wanted to see how the game changed, what was added and I enjoyed every single moment of it.
Frankly I hardly remember my way around Galadon but I am pretty good with some areas, so I started exploring taking people to Hell (I think I did about 20-30 trips in total, some solo) While building a nice set and aiding more and more people I was really enjoying this character.
Some people would call me a hoarder but I am not really sure if agree to that.
Any piece of gear I had I used and if it was useless I would give it away to the young ones. People would say I never take any chances?
Yeah that’s true while carrying 40 aura charges on me I would never walk the Eastern road without flight, aura protection and the rest of the bard crap:)
Leading a group to hell and being bashed and tripped by some of them cause of the gear is something I would never expect,kinda cheap I guess being screwed by new generation of ESL kids but heh such is life.
I would like to thank all the ppl who aided me and I hope I was helpful to you fellas as well.
Flaire you are still missed and you are reborn in a way :) we had good times.
Tellik I could always count on you and you would always keep my pockets full. Thank you for all the travels, we had a blast.
Egrelam was getting old so it was time to delete.
I will be making another bard or a healer some time soon and hopefully going through Hell would be much easier this time.
All I want to say by this people just chill and enjoy the game and you will have a blast, no point whining yelling or screaming or what ever you do! It’s just a piece of text in the end but it can be very addictive.
I knew my rings would kill me in the end but it was worth it, I was building my set for about 200 hours without killing anyone. It was all either from explore trips or people giving it to me.
Imms: I had no role so I never interacted with any of you. Thank you for keeping the game running for so long.
My gear (Not sure if it’s appropriate to paste it here)
You are using:
<worn on finger> (Invis) the ring of regeneration
<worn on finger> (Invis) the ring of regeneration
<worn around neck> a black hammer pendant
<worn around neck> an ivory amulet shaped like a troll
<worn on body> a dragon embroidered red coat
<worn on head> (Humming) the pearl crown of the tritons
<worn on face> a mask of dull black scales
<worn on legs> (Humming) crimson dragon scale leggings
<worn on feet> a pair of black suede boots
<worn on hands> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of fulminator gauntlets
<worn on arms> a phylactery of free movement
<worn about body> the Cloak of the Wolf-kin
<worn about waist> (Humming) a girdle of serpents
<worn around wrist> a studded leather bracer
<worn around wrist> the Bracelet of Charms
<mainhand wielded> (Glowing) the Emperor's mace
<held in hand> (Glowing) (Humming) a beautiful silver harp strung with pure light
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You are carrying:
( 2) a potion of return
an emerald periapt
a sapphire periapt
a decanter of 'Udgaardian Red'
a potion of transportation
an embossed buckler
(Glowing) (Humming) a gleaming white fiddle with golden-made strings
a War Machete
(Invis) (Humming) a pair of gloves of quickling skin
( 2) (Invis) a engraved staff of solid bronze
an oaken staff tipped with an aquamarine
the master's pick set
a monk's robe
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The charms seem to resemble miniature pieces of armor and weapons. Several
personal items, various pieces of food and water containers can also be seen.

The bracelet of charms is a container, made of gold, and weighs 184 pounds 14 ounces.
When you look inside, you see it is stuffed full.
The Bracelet of Charms contains:
( 4) (Glowing) the orb of travel
( 5) some sleeping pills
( 3) an herb of cleansing
(Glowing) an everfull skin
the pouch of nourishment
( 2) (Glowing) the gem of protection
( 6) a gem of seeing
( 2) the chest of inebriation
( 8) a potion of transportation
a drawer key
( 5) a handful of green thistlewood seeds
( 2) a pill box
(13) a potion of return
( 4) an astringent smelling flask
( 4) an exquisite pocketwatch on a silver chain
a dirty cloth blindfold
(12) a potion of flying
a vial of cleansing
(41) a cloudy gray vial
( 2) a curling blackwood staff
(15) a small piece from the pelt of a cheetah
a hollowed out narwhale horn containing a fine leather scroll
( 2) (Humming) a scroll of black magic
( 3) a potion of translucence
( 2) a scroll of harsh characters
an unusual snake-like bracelet
( 8) a flask of everchanging colors
a swirling blood-red orb
a waterlogged journal
A murky orange potion
( 2) a pretty amber flask
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<1086hp 725m 1188mv 24900tnl (-25.76%)> Your character has the following edges:

Strong Back: You have a strong back, more able to bear burdens.
Fisherman: Your roots are in the seas and rivers of Thera.
Combat Statistician: You are a combat statistician, keenly analyzing battle.
Lucky: You are lucky.
Languid Lullaby: You enervate your audience with a languid lullaby.
Perfect Pitch: You tune your instruments quickly.
Combat Showmanship: You are suave with the fancy moves.
Extra Training: You have converted your experiences to extra training.
Remain Conscious: You can sometimes remain conscious when others would be knocked out.
Shield Eyes: Your fighting style shields your precious eyes from harm.
Battle Tested: Like a veteran soldier, you can fall asleep quickly after combat.
Zombie Fighter: You are skilled at avoiding the predictable attacks of non-sentient undead.
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Previous characters(The ones I remember)
Mesnek
Zverev
Grizun
Aeliram
Aeligrah
Geramin
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For now I will be taking some rest and spending a week on this thing with my friends:
http://www.waterwayhouseboats.com/Genesis70
If you wish to contact me: shalapin@hotmail.com

Enjoy the game!
Max Ivanov

Did you discover some "trick" to gambling, or what? Because that's a hell of a lot of Inn rewards. If you did figure out a trick, don't post it here. I'm just curious if there's something I've been missing this whole time. Whenever I gamble, I use luck items, take the lucky edge, etc., and I still go in and blow 150 gold with very little to show for it.

Lucky edge and unlimited gold supply and you can win a lot like really a lot.
Try sticking with same number perhaps.
I won pretty much everything except the duck.

nt

I will be posting goodbyes and my sad story in a day or two once I sober up... :)

Just wondering, where you Aeliram? If so, major improvement and damn don't quit CF because you got super gayed.

N/T

What was this elite gear being referenced that caused said Imperials to trick you into grouping and then taking you to a trap?

Make a note though, "WHen Evil Engrish baring Bastards invite you on a merry trip to Hell....chose the Fortlanders adventure party instead."

NT

Because only I and Zwerg know.

Or did it magically appear on you?

My post was for Lightmage to explain things to some degree. YOu may continue. Dont forget to mention "ganksquad" "russian cheaters" and "i dont understand your poor english"

Buddy read my goodbye note, then think again!

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!

Seriously dude. I answered Lightmage, and you immediately got pissy and now say you were trying to answer him, when you did nothing of the sort.

You come off like a gigantic douche. That has to translate into Russian, right (and that's not speculation, I know your player)?

I came back from the club and decided to mud for a bit.
Ditching two players and taking Emperials to Inferno was my own fault.

Drinking and mudding is fun you should try it some time:)

t

####ing storers

You're actually proud of ganging down an uncaballed bard under those particular dubious circumstances.

Everything that was said to me about Egrelam suggests that he didn't hoard eq. He just had geat eq.

If claiming you had issues about geat hoarding makes you feel less cheap, then go you.

You can kill a hoarder without pretending to be allied and waiting for him to be vulnerable.

At least, other people can. Apparently you can't.

You went for a cheap gank, and you are now known for being cheap gankers.

We will cry from shame. Also, we used bash and trip. Cheap skills, yes. Are we known as cheap bashers and trippers now?

It doesn't change the cheapness.

Bash and trip is one thing. Killing groupmates is another, because it is foolproof.

If you just wanted nice gear, that's one thing, and I didn't post when it was left at that, but don't pretend you didn't mean it, or that you didn't know who you were killing.

We wanted some item, and thought Egrelam has it. He did not and then I remembered that another one holds it. Though it does not matter we were not happy getting some of his shinies. Its cheap kill, but dont try to put it, that its so easy to kill explorer-type char who does not want to fight at all and "other people do it (easily)".

This post screams out one of two words to me.

Anyone care to guess?

f

I dunno.. I just wish they could speak fluently and not always hide behind mino and fire giant speech (assuming they speak at all). I don't normally consider myself racist... le sigh.

when people complain about liches hoarding eq and these people are ready to kill liches in cheap way. But when it happens with somebody else they scream about how bad it is.

(it does not mean I take anyone's side here).

That's because liches played by skilled players who also have really nice gear are "really hard" to kill. Non-pk-oriented bards aren't. Especially when led somewhere under false pretenses then double-crossed.

are you saying difference that bard was unskilled(was he? most likely he was skilled player). So if he is skilled and hard to kill you can do it to him? Otherwise no?


p.s. Non-pk-oriented bard much harder to kill =)

The only time I can think of someone trying to kill a Lich with this kind of lameness is when Palin tried it against Zorszaul. Who simultaneously was trying it against Palin. But this happened last century.

I did think the Palin-Zorszaul situation was potentially lame if Zorszaul was really played by an IMM (because then Zorszaul's player would know that Palin had an IMM quest to kill him, making it easy to pierce through Palin's pretense of grouping together to gather EQ and betray Palin first). Wow that just sounded really soap opera-ish. :)

Overall, though. I thought this kind of thing was what evil characters were supposed to do? Betray each other? It's sad, pathetic, and mean spirited. But isn't that what being "evil" is? I'm with Daurwyn and Nep and all that re: this being horrible sportsmanship, but still... what's the downside to being evil if this isn't it?

The OOC pathetic part is that (1) Zwerg and Linden are bragging about betraying groupmates as if it's cool, and (2) neither Zwerg, Linden, or any of their ilk are trying ANY betrayal attempts within the Empire. Which, call me crazy, is supposed to be the balancing factor for why imperial powers are so cool. Will the IMMs EVER consider rebalancing imperial powers in light of the fact that betrayals just don't happen? :P

>The OOC pathetic part is that (1) Zwerg and Linden are
>bragging about betraying groupmates as if it's cool, and (2)
>neither Zwerg, Linden, or any of their ilk are trying ANY
>betrayal attempts within the Empire.

This really cuts to the heart of what I was trying to say.

It's not that it's out of character or bad roleplay. It's not even that I might not do the same thing in their shoes. I just wouldn't treat it like any kind of achievement to go to Hell with a non-PK-oriented character and gang them down.

The other downside to publicizing it (Zwerg and Linden's choice, so I can't really call it character assassination on anyone else's part) is that, not to channel Pro, if two guys who don't seem to speak English as a first language ask me to group up and go to a locked room, I'm running the other way. (Or getting even more of my friends to wait for them there.)

I really have no idea why you got my post as "bragging" since I clearly used the word "shame".

http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=4&topic_id=79333&mesg_id=79355&page=

Wow.

I am "newbie" in Empire and maybe I just dont know something, but isnt "any betrayal" results in anaphema or demotion for betrayer? Also I clearly stated one more reason of this in my first post.

You just need to be sure your fellow betrayers aren't going to betray you.

Besides, there are lots of ways to betray people without getting caught.

Thanks for advice, I will think about it.

We were not get caught. I just posted it here.

C'mon I'm not saying that Zwerg and Linden did something they should be proud of or that they did something wrong (I don't really know what happened and all). However I'm sick of people who justify the same situation in different ways. That's it.

I think I was sort of agreeing with you.. but then it may not have come across from my tone or my rant re: imperial politics. But I was.

Plus, I was curious if you were talking about the Zorszaul situation or something else.

Betrayal would be ok if it wasn't pretty much infallible.

Wasn't the A-P's name Palan?

Her council took her somewhere cursed, let her get hurt and ganged her down horribly, then Enlilth Anathema'd her.

That is the basic equivalent to what douchebags 1+2 did.

Of course, for Egrelam, this is why you don't go places with Imperials or the occasional Scion.

I'm always ready to face cheap way of killing me.

NT

I would consider it just as bad if someone did it to a lich. Don't see that happening though.

I can only applaud to people who does not change their point of view whenever it's good for them

unlife is so hard! QQ

comrade. nt

Seriously, to bitch about losing hell gear you got in "dubious" circumstances is a total douchebag move.

But I'd expect nothing less from the player.

I didn't especially like your char before, now I just think you're a giant douche. Or a turd sandwich.

I'm not proud. At all. Actualy right after the kill I felt realy dirty. But now after almost week cooldown yeah I'm glad we did it.

Since that must be what this is all about, you never getting props in kindergarten.

So now, here is your cookie, way to go!

nt

NT

You trick ganked a guy then you have to go post something like this?

Maybe you should go check out WoW or group masterba......

Dealing with you is the only thing I feel some shame about, though I dont like gear hoarders :p
Actually we did it by mistake - mixed you with another person.

Good luck with your next

I feel shame about what I did to you to make you delete a character you put effort and time into

even though you are a "gear hoarder" so that makes it ok for me to shamelessly gank and full loot you.

But it wasn't you we were after, so even though we did all that to screw up something you put effort into, it's ok for us.

But in the end..

I guess I am KIND OF sorry...

####ing Kind of sorry?

WTF is that, tell me, either you are sorry for something you did, or you are not... you don't kind of apologize for being a total prick.

Either you do, or you don't.