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Topic subject(DELETED) [TRIBUNAL] Zaltais the Preceptor of Temperance, Magistrate of Voralian City
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76826, (DELETED) [TRIBUNAL] Zaltais the Preceptor of Temperance, Magistrate of Voralian City
Posted by Death_Angel on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Tue Feb 10 01:15:22 2009

At 8 o'clock AM, Day of the Sun, 27th of the Month of the Winter Wolf
on the Theran calendar Zaltais perished, never to return.
Race:human
Class:paladin
Level:46
Alignment:Good
Ethos:Orderly
Cabal:TRIBUNAL, the Blood Tribunal
Age:41
Hours:154
76827, What? Why?
Posted by Zubi on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Just saw you get beat on by a bunch of outlanders. That's the reason? (Man was I stalking you alot! Never got to do anything though...)
76828, RE: What? Why?
Posted by Zaltais on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
You know it was my first character i have ever played in CF, and i have to say it was quite the experience learning a new mud from scratch. Alot of the aspects are suprisingly similiar to my last MUD, but there is alot of things that distinctively separate it. It is hard comming from a 7year veteran top player on another mud to newbie here. But overall i met alot of very generous and nice people who guided me through the game.

I deleted really out of my own frustration. I had a difficult start with empowerment because i took justice sphere and tried to be empowered by Maractis (as a newbie i did not know it meaned so much and my own vanity kept me from reading the helpfiles until it was to late) I have to say on his part, wow, he really gave you alot to think about and while it was frustrating... it was also rewarding, and i would really like to thank Marcatis for that.

I love playing Knights/Paladins but i found that through experiencing the world new, I died alot of mob deaths, a fair bit of pk deaths, though i would like to think i gave fairly good considering my status i started struggling alot comming up with ways to keep my con up.. I found myself breaking my role more and more out of this frustration to the point i became rather disgusted with the whole character. Overall he just didnt develop into the character i was hoping he would be, although it was a great class for learning the world. Shield spec is awesome. Although i have to say i have only negative comments about shield bash. I fought almost every race and i dont think i had one successful stun even with it at 100 percent. Makes it hard to captialize on any successful pk fight and lag him enough to kill him.

I like to give a big thanks to Doriel, Sarien, Nian, Iktul, Nidblot.. I am missing alot of names but it was fun. Even the battles against enemies.

Once again, thanks to everyone, I'll be seeing you all in game,
hopefully improved and making a better impact ingame.
76829, Awesome attitude and welcome.
Posted by TMNS on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
PS Shield bash is unreliable AT BEST and paladins were never meant to be able to lag (until you get Defiance (which is a badass sword), then you rape groups for fun (roll dwarf so you can tell people there's another fist under you beard)).
76835, RE: Awesome attitude and welcome.
Posted by Zaltais on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I did love having Defiance, that is of course until i had Killed Jolindar when we were fighting and it it blew up on me everytime i tried to get it after that. :(
76837, Yeah, don't um, kill goodies with anything goodie item that progs.
Posted by TMNS on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
In general it's a bad idea. :)

Good luck.
76830, Well, then I must congratulate you to a very well executed first char!
Posted by Zubi on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
My first hero ever on CF was a Storm giant paladin. ;) I struggled ALOT with empowerment and trying to become a Maran. (Was during Shokai's days, 8 years ago.) Though I was quite a bit younger and went ooc alot so no wonders I had a hard time.

Shield speccs ain't really meant to be "killers" in PK. Sure, they can "win" almost ANY fight, but the target almost always escapes alive. And that is sort of how they're meant to be.

I hope you enjoyed it, and I'm looking forward to meeting your next char.


Btw, you almost kicked the crap out of me on eastern road when I jumped you. Had totally forgetten what wrath can do to you at younger lvls. ^^
76832, RE: Well, then I must congratulate you to a very well executed first char!
Posted by Zaltais on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Wrath has always been a ridiculously powered ability and in honesty i always tried to use other tactics unless i really wanted to prove a point and win quickly. Angel Wings is just beautiful, Flank attack takes a bit to long for my taste, alot of opportunity for the victim to just flee, but if it lands, fairly powerful on pk.

I find the most difficulty in Paladins is their lack of assists in battle. Shield bash gives the emote of the victim falling, it should act like bash in the sense it either misses, your unable to knock them over, or you are successful. Chance for stun is nill, even when i was fighting gnomes and elfs (I was unfortunate to have to hunt a few). Absolutely no chance for blind, although i did like the multiple effects of angel wings.

I found my roleplay was rather lacking in this character, more for the speech then actions. I found i was criticized for alot of things i would normally have found acceptable. For example, being at war with Outlanders and fighting alongside other Tribunal (despite alignment and ethos). It was always my believe that when one wore the mantle of magistrate, all were brothers and comrades. It baffled me when i was criticized for attacking an Outlander with Nidblot, or aiding him when outlanders striked at him. It is a terrible weakness to allow a fellow tribunal not only die but potentially be looted because of this ideal. I think that is what bothered me the most. That and being criticized for hunting(and killing) good criminals. Although i always tried to give a few an agreeable offer of leniency for giving themselves up.

It seemed to me that there were a lot of conflicts with the Code of Paladins, and upholding that of the Tribunal.
76833, Yes, the code...
Posted by Zubi on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
The code is hard to interpret, and there are many ways to do so. But if it fits your role to aid a evil duergar, since he's another magistrate, then it's all good. If it wasn't, I'm certain you've gotten some direction from the imms somehow, by lowering your empowerment lvl or something.

But you should know, whenever people die, most of them will be whining about something. ;) Just ignore it, or you'll get frutrated in the long run. heh
76842, RE: Well, then I must congratulate you to a very well e...
Posted by ayrios on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I was one of those that tried to caution against you helping an evil spire mate, mainly because being a good paladin means not aiding evil in anyway, and i figured if a provincial was turned neutral for aiding evils with equipment and such, a paladin saving and assisting an evil in a fight that was outside your jurisdiction was probably going to get similar problems and I didn't want to see that happen to you. Imms want to see that your alignment comes before your cabal(I think), so if you are good, you better not hurt any one good unless they are breaking the law in your jurisdiction or you are defending the spire or raiding the tree. Going out into Silverwood an activeley assisting a duergar fighting a good ranger, even if the ranger is a criminal, is something I think the Imms will frown upon. (I believe that was the incident you refer to) We all just tried to tell you and warn you because we didn't want to see you get any punishment from the Imms for doing it, at least that was why I did it. Figured a good character that plays well should avoid having something happen that may cause him to stop, and losing empowerment as a paladin would probably do it.

And just a note on hunting criminals, the vindicator's job is to hunt criminals, not that of a magistrate as far as I can tell (Shalsad warned me for aiding him one time when he fought a criminal in galadon and I was posted at seantryn), so once you left the city the focus is more that you are of the light and so was the criminal, not the spire/criminal aspect. Of course, good outlanders will likely still attack you if they are good and get away with it, but that's just how it seems to be set up in terms of the cabals. It's what makes playing a good tribunal somewhat frustrating as you said, and a paladin even more so. But your character was pretty impressive for your first, and I am sure if you keep it up you can become even better.
76831, Btw, how did you find out about CF? n/t
Posted by Zubi on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
n/t
76834, RE: Btw, how did you find out about CF? n/t
Posted by Zaltais on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I played a MUD called Solace where alot of the player base frequently jumped between the two back in the day. I remember trying out CF years ago and i dont think i ever got past the academy. I knew what i liked and i wasnt open to a lot of change. Solace has since been on a large decline and its playerbase is becomming non-existant. I havent played solace for awhile now, but i often check up on its status and because of the low player base now their isnt alot of opportunity to experience the good old days. I was looking at new muds to play a couple of weeks ago and came across Achaea, gave it a shot and was absolutely disgusted at the northeast, northwest room possibilities, their format of combat etc. I remembered how everyone talked about carrionfields and decided to give it another try. It is very similiar to solace in classes, abilities, combat etc, so it was a pleasant transistion.
76838, Nice to meet one more Solace vet! n/t
Posted by Neitaro on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
nt
76856, I'm teh true Solace vet
Posted by Elhe on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
:) Really. =)
76867, RE: I'm teh true Solace vet
Posted by Zaltais on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
You've aroused my curiosity, who did you play? what timeframe?
76990, I think it's not a good
Posted by Elhe on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
place to discuss another mud. But you can e-mail me, danik_iv@mail.ru
76995, +1 to the russian perma! nt
Posted by Artificial on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
nt
76996, Why did you e-mail me request to join us?
Posted by Elhe on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
You must be russian for that :P
76997, Why did you e-mail me request to join us?
Posted by Elhe on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
You must be russian for that :P
76998, touche. nt
Posted by Artificial on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
nt
76839, Thought you did a good job
Posted by Mreash on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I wouldn't have known this was your first cf character. We had some good scuffles, and some fun banter. Good luck with your next.
76840, I could tell you were new, but 1st character?
Posted by Nivek1 on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Color me impressed.
76845, You didn't do too badly for your first character.
Posted by Bertmern on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Really, impressive job.

Keep it up--I like the character.
76848, RE: What? Why?
Posted by Isildur on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Kudos for playing a paladin for your first character, actually getting empowered, and actually doing some good. You have a bright future here.

If you wanted, you could now try one of the "standard" newbie classes. Assassin maybe. Just know you're a lot more fragile than a shield spec paladin.
76886, RE: What? Why?
Posted by Nidblot on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
It is hard to play a tribbie paladin. Not just due to working with evils within the Spire, but also in regard to law vs paladin code vs good criminals. Shield paladins are not exactly cut out to seal solo kills at hero levels, so do not worry about that at all.

I knew you were kind of new, but really liked your attitude during our first interview. I tried to help you out as much as i could (evil shaman vs infidel paladin). With a few more hero chars under your belt i am certain you will be a pro :)..


Good luck with your next, and hope to see you around in another incarnation.



76954, RE: What? Why?
Posted by Nian on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I thought Zaltais was well played and a solid character in all respects. I'm an all 'The Light' kinda guy, and you were the more pragmatic, Law/Justice Paladin guy. Those (little) differences made it fun to discuss things with you. You were a good friend to Nian.

Much luck on whatever is next, I'm looking forward to it!
77115, RE: What? Why?
Posted by Doriel on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Zaltais,

Wanted to say it was my pleasure. You were a quick learner and we had a lot of good times. Keep it up, you have the ability bring a lot to the game.

See you in the Fields my friend.