Mon Aug 2 20:46:16 2004

At 12 o'clock AM, Day of the Moon, 21st of the Month of Winter
on the Theran calendar Sargataneos perished, never to return.

Race:	human
Class:	necromancer
Level:	47
Alignment:	Evil
Ethos:	Orderly
Cabal:	SCION, the Scions of Eternal Night
Age:	52
Hours:	240

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valguarnera@carrionfields.com

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I think he's suggesting you are one.

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It's a polite way of saying:

"Go crawl back under whatever rock you came from."

The hidden forest is the area with greater and lesser trolls in, isn't it?

Valg is insinuating that he's trolling, or at least, that's how I read it.

It was funnier without the explanation. Damned English. :-)

But if that was the meaning, that's pretty clever.

I liked Valg's post better when I thought trolls lived in the Hidden Forest.

help hidden forest
'HIDDEN FOREST'
Through the void in Thera's past lies a secretive forest, home to
vast populations of trolls, the fate of which in our time has never
been determined. Both lesser and greater trolls roam the woods,
watchful of intruders and eager to feast on fresh flesh. The intrepid
adventurer might delve deeply into the woodlands and discover massive
iron gates that guard a keep where more powerful trolls live, trolls
schooled in both fighting and arcane arts.

areas hidden
| 20 - 35 | Mortimor - Hidden Forest

areas forbidden
You did not find any areas.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

I am not a troll. I had a role, a really really extensive one. Please don't insult me unless you know what the #### you're talking about. Thank you.

Smiles and blue skies,
Dalton

Normally I wouldn't bother to post on anything like this, but I figured what the hell. You had no role, at least written. I'm not saying you never wrote one. Maybe you did. Then again, maybe you meant to and just forgot. Maybe you typed it up, but forgot to add it. Numerous possibilities, but the fact remains, you had no role. So please, before going down this road, know what the #### you're talking about.

Okay, so you see one of your administrator pals being called an asshole and you decide to step in and defend him. Makes sense to me, except for the fact that you're both wrong. I am abso-####ing-lutely positive that I had approximately four role chapters, one of which was well over a page long. You know how I know I didn't "type it up and forget to add it?" Because I don't do that. I type role chapters up directly before I add them, via dioxide's wrap chop utility. How about you take a look at your ####ty premium battlefield code before you act like I'm some kind of incompetent with his head up his ass? Thanks, and remember: Try to be sure you're right before you tell someone they don't know what they're talking about. It makes you look a little silly.

Smiles and blue skies,
Dalton

I'm not going to argue this back and forth. Suffice to say I never looked at your premium battlefield post, I was drawing from memory when I checked during your quest. Which, I checked again after your post just to make sure. You don't believe me, fine. You had a role. A long one. Best one I've read in a long time. Something is wrong with the code. Let it go.

There is something wrong with the code if you're not seeing a role for me posthumously. Listen, 'letting it go' and 'continuing with this ####' are equal value to me right now. At the moment I have time to burn, and judging by how quickly you're replying to me so do you. Don't try to look like the big man in front of your captive nerd audience by acting like I'm being a tool. Let's recap.

1) I am always right.
2) I had a role, and I'm completely positive of this unless having a role constitutes something other than typing "role subject Some Cool And Symbolic Title; role + Sarg killed some blokes today and turned them into zombies.; role add", which of course it does not.
3) Valg successfully called me out, which gives him a few points. However he nor you know what you're talking about, which subtracts 27 points from your total. Tough break.

Smiles and blue skies,
Dalton

to admit I'm wrong. I dug around and I can see you had a role at some point. It was lost somewhere along the way, which is why it won't show up on the premium battlefield. No I don't know where, don't know when, don't know how. I'll leave that to someone else.

And to think, I thought I'd never live to see the day when an immortal admits he's wrong. Can I hear it from Valg now? :)

Frowns and skies of black death,
Dalton the non-troll asshole

How about you take a look at your ####ty premium battlefield code

1) Your pfile had no role at the time of deletion, as I confirmed. The PBF correctly assessed that.

2) Other characters with roles are posting normally, as you can check.

3) I know I checked you as a Spectre and saw nothing. So whatever you entered was gone a long time ago.

Try to be sure you're right before you tell someone they don't know what they're talking about.

Should I start making links to your posts as "Magus"?

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

1) I'm looking at the pfile right now. There is no role on it, which is why the PBF shows no role.

2) You had no role as a Spectre. This I have.

If you had a role as a lower-level character, it's long gone.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

Thats a pretty fair amount of kills, and his spell list aint too shabby either. I had expected less kills, seems like he did his fair share of killing too. Not too shabby. With a little rod knowledge and time exploring, You could probably do a pretty good necro.

It's funny how snide you're being, knowing what I know.

Oh well.

asd

Well, for some reason, the donation site does not like my credit card number. All the good intentions were there, and I really wanted to see your stats, but alas, we'll forever live in mystery.

It does disturb me that I might not see my characters' stats when they die. If I send you a check now for like $15, can you send me three blank character sheets and automatically post them when my characters die?

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nt

heh.

Briefly, the other Scions seemed to hold you in very low regard. You had a habit of issuing orders to them which would have gotten them and you slaughtered, which quickly turned into them ignoring you, or mocking you privately or publically.

My advice for future characters would be to sit back and learn a bit more from the more experienced players. You tended to alienate the people who might have taught you something. My read on the character wasn't that you were RPing a character who had these characteristics, but rather it was your own impatience and overestimation of your own capabilities showing through. Relax a bit, accept that you have a ways to go before you can strut about, and people will probably react more positively to your character.

This doesn't mean playing a "nice" or virtuous character- all of the most successful Scions were far from nice. However, they had other characteristics that made them respected by their peers- catchy style, creepy allure, unique backgrounds, etc. It's probably worth choosing a role which would make other people want to interact with you in some way, as a villain or otherwise. Sarg's role seemed aimed at the opposite, inviting avoidance.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

It is possible (especially for someone who views pk aspects of this game as a distant secondary to the rp aspects) that he was purposefully playing a character that thought he was the ####, but in reality sucked. After all these people exist in real life, which is where you thought the personnality was coming from, but I'd venture to guess that some (I've done it) veteran players occasionally play characters that purposefully suck. Perhaps the point of the character wasn't to inspire respect, fear, or any other positivish emotions, but rather to be distained for not only the attitude, but also the complete inability to perform. Now giving a character like this Chancellorship would be retarded, but I think it's possible (if not very likely) the character was exactly as the character was designed (have to see the role to find out) rather than a bleed through of his OOC personnality.

This isn't to say your points aren't valid, I just wanted to make the point that *I* view it as a possible role choice, rather it having to neccessarily be a bleedthrough effect.

i.e. tell KILLER "You ####ing ####ing I'm gonna ####ing kill you, you looting son of a bitch cocksucker" is 99.999% of the time bleedthrough (or just bad/nonexistant rp), where something like threatening someone and claiming great prowess, but then botching the attempt might be on purpose.

Dunno if this makes and sense or even why I felt the need to post it now that I've re-read it, but so be it it's going up anyway.

Laearrist

This isn't to say your points aren't valid, I just wanted to make the point that *I* view it as a possible role choice, rather it having to neccessarily be a bleedthrough effect.

Yup. That'd be a good thing to use the role command to document, even if you did it in a very brief fashion. Because a lot of characters do have that angle as a bleedthrough effect, it would be significant if the player pre-outlined that a character is intentionally overplaying the temper/arrogance. Given how common it is as a bleedthrough, I'm generally less inclined to believe an after-the-fact explanation of that sort.

I did this for a past character that had no concept of personal safety. If I led a group into near-certain-death, and called them sissies for not daring to follow my (horrible) leadership, I wanted the role to communicate that the player knew better, even if the character clearly didn't. :)

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

> I did this for a past character that had no concept of personal safety. If I led a group into near-certain-death, and called them sissies for not daring to follow my (horrible) leadership, I wanted the role to communicate that the player knew better, even if the character clearly didn't. :)


Sounds like a lot of the past imperial sect leaders, including myself. Expect we weren't rolepalying idiots, we just were.

All it takes is for imm support of an unpopular scion, give him Chancellorship, and other scions are forced to fall into line.

Why? Because imm support has given said chancellor ability to remove them from the cabal. I've wanted to go against the Chancellor before and the only thing stopping me wasn't pk ability, character opinions etc, it was that imms had given the guy I didn't like the power to uninduct me.

It kind of annoys me when players go against how they would normally act in order to avoid some sort of penalty or consequence. If you stick to your role and stand up to someone who can uninduct you, chances are the Imms will see this and act accordingly, possibly reinducting you and punishing them. Even if they don't, at least you didn't have to compromise your role which should count for something to you which should be the only thing that matters anyway.

Of the course the weak player will just say it was part of his role to kiss his ass until he deleted/con-died... to keep his best interests looked after.

And of course, if you just want the powers, then suck it up and carry on and simply ignore the retard.

I guess it is just different playing styles. But if someone annoys me, cabal mate or not, I will tear him a new asshole.

> It kind of annoys me when players go against how they would normally act in order to avoid some sort of penalty or consequence.
If you stick to your role and stand up to someone who can uninduct you, chances are the Imms will see this and act accordingly, possibly reinducting you and punishing them.

How is it bad rp to not go against an evil superior who has the power to reduce your power? That's largely what orderly evil is about.

> Even if they don't, at least you didn't have to compromise your role which should count for something to you which should be the only thing that matters anyway.

Yes. And is it bad rp for an orderly evil not to want to be thrown out of his group to fend for himself, without the benefits that come from that group?

> Of the course the weak player will just say it was part of his role to kiss his ass until he deleted/con-died... to keep his best interests looked after.

The weak player? Orderly evil specifically mentions this kind of behavior. I'm all for getting a paladin de-inducted to stand up for what he believes in, but an orderly evil is all about using the existing structure for his or her benefit. That doesn't mean getting yourself booted from it.

> And of course, if you just want the powers, then suck it up and carry on and simply ignore the retard.

Exactly. I've played scions who got inducted by saying they wanted the powers. So yes, if an imm gives someone the power to uninduct, I have to suck up to them. If this person doesn't have that power, I don't.

> I guess it is just different playing styles. But if someone annoys me, cabal mate or not, I will tear him a new asshole.

Verbally? I'm talking about pk, full-loot, don't let him set foot in the cabal HQ again.

>How is it bad rp to not go against an evil superior who has
>the power to reduce your power? That's largely what orderly
>evil is about.

I tend to think of evils as someone who would usurp a superior's position by scheming or in the manner I prefer, direct confrontation. Not just waiting idly on the sidelines for someone to delete.

>Yes. And is it bad rp for an orderly evil not to want to be
>thrown out of his group to fend for himself, without the
>benefits that come from that group?

I suppose. But too many of these types of evils will do nothing to advance their standing in the hierarchy and just be content to have the powers and not get uninducted. These characters I deen weak though justified if that is your role. But we all know that truly evil characters crave power and should stop at nothing to get it and too few will actually take the risk of uninduction.
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>> Of the course the weak player will just say it was part of
>his role to kiss his ass until he deleted/con-died... to keep
>his best interests looked after.
>
>The weak player? Orderly evil specifically mentions this kind
>of behavior. I'm all for getting a paladin de-inducted to
>stand up for what he believes in, but an orderly evil is all
>about using the existing structure for his or her benefit.
>That doesn't mean getting yourself booted from it.

True, but there must also be attempts at self advancement which few actually take the risk to do.
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>> And of course, if you just want the powers, then suck it up
>and carry on and simply ignore the retard.
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>Exactly. I've played scions who got inducted by saying they
>wanted the powers. So yes, if an imm gives someone the power
>to uninduct, I have to suck up to them. If this person
>doesn't have that power, I don't.

You may, but shouldn't evils try and dethrone that person ahead of them? Basically what I am saying is that there should be a lot more bickering in the cabals amongst its members, even bloodshed, especially evil cabals. But this seldom happens because most people are afraid of getting uninducted (losing powers). The Empire comes close at times, but I see the sects as too buddy-buddy and within sects, bickering is next to nothing.

More blood in the HQ I say! Yar!

I guess the way I see it is this.

The problem is, you can scheme with other characters and achieve total dominance over the leader you don't like. You can prevent him entering the cabal hq. You can kill him on sight. However, you cannot prevent him de-inducting all of you. In "reality", once you've pk'd him and prevented him coming to the cabal hq he should no longer be leader and no longer be able to uninduct. But because of imm support, he can, and there is nothing your char can do to prevent that. Maybe it can get reversed, but maybe not.

I'd like to know more about this character's role. I have my own impression of the character but honestly would feel better about voicing my two cents if you'd be willing to give us a little insight into what you were going for and what you envisioned Sargataneos as exactly. Don't be shy.

Plain and simple, Sargataneos was a ####. Stemming from his background role (which you'll get to read if one of you throws 5 bucks towards my character sheet) he was basically rejected from an early age for a variety of reasons. This lead to him not really caring about other people, hence the reason I never greeted people with anything more than their name. I'm going to assume that's the part of my character that you were interested in.

Yes, I would be online and Sargataneos would be doing this thing and I'd get a phone call from friends who used to play long ago and I'd laugh and read to them things that were said or done and your response to them and so forth. We'd all come to the comclusion that it was your role and I told them if so, I had to be impressed because you don't win many friends or much support like that. I give you high marks for sticking to it regardless of the repurcussions (spellcheck). Good luck and I look forward to more info if you find cash doners.

Ouch man ouch. Can't say I've ever hero'ed a mage class before .. so I can't really give you much advice but uh, preps are a good start OH, and actually using them before starting a fight with a rager too *helps alot*
Good luck on your next and don't be such a panzy with low con ! =P

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Every site I've tried has taken your credit card number without any problems.

Bwahahahaha.

Buhah

Before this character I didn't know any abs, and now I have a few sources. Granted, they're hard to get to pre-hero, but it's better than nothing. Also, a certain maran thief stealing the few abs wands I could find didn't help things much- damn dude, you really know how to play a thiefy thief :P. That time you stole the codex out of my hands as I was bringing it to the Archmage was pretty funny.

You... so... annoying. Please, roll a defense-defense shifter and explore an area or two. Leeching prep locations and relying on others completely for game knowledge is just... annoying, and, dare I say the N word... yes... Noobish. I expected some competency out of you, seeing how you spectred a necro, which even with the evil heavy times, is tough, and because of that I helped you more than I feel I should have. But yes, I was sorely disappointed. Yes, you did roleplay cocky well, but as Valg said, when you're a beggar, that's not the best attitude to ask someone to spare some change with. Anyhoo, I best leave before I say anything more scathing than I've already said. *wave*

P.S. 20 extra credit points or paid overtime points to anyone who guesses which parts of this I added after the "Anyhoo..." part. Points valid anywhere you convince a teacher-supervisor/manager to accept them.