Thu Aug 13 04:07:55 2020

At 4 o'clock AM, Day of the Moon, 21st of the Month of the Frost Giant
on the Theran calendar Ethlerrereva perished, never to return.

Race:	elf
Class:	warrior
Level:	51
Alignment:	Good
Ethos:	Chaotic
Cabal:	BATTLE, the BattleRagers, Haters of Magic
Age:	520
Hours:	366

I was the one, you taught shifter forms. I apreciated that you did to make ragers more structurable and notes about the stuff that a rager is a True warrior and so. But, from my sight, villagers are kinda dont_think_just_kill mages thing. If they can be some smarter, they would understand, that magics is not so bad. So, its bad for them to think. Just my point. Connected to you, I appologise, but you were too annoying with this talks, about, you tried to organize villagers, but they are not the army, like empire perhaps. So, you tried to command, like it were look like is rl, not thinking about the specifics, I said before.
About our talks about forms of shifter. I am quite a newb in cf, but, from my sight, did the dont_think_just_kill guy would know about forms? He didnt read books, even, may be dont know how to read. He come and kill the mage, spider or whenever else, so, you asking guy to know forms.
And I can never understand the goodie in villagers, what if goodie mage come to raid? And the idea of Village from my sight is angry evil ones, not good kind ones. Well, its a problem to make the neutral build of yer kind?
Anyway, its was good job from yer side, you tried much and push much efforts and time in your DM.
And, being ESL, I hardly can understand half of talks in cabal channel, so, sorry for mindslowness from my side.

Barbarians are, well, barbarians. But there is nothing about the Village that makes them tactically stupid. Part of the Drillmaster's job is literally to make sure the rest of the village is using solid tactics. Sounds like he was trying to do that.

The fact that you further don't understand how a goodie can be in Village doesn't mean that they can't. It just means you have a limitation. There are thousands of conflicts between alignment/class/cabal/religion/whatever in the game. Those conflicts are what make roleplay interesting. Sometimes there are challenging situations that your character must face.

In short: Villagers do not have to be stupid, evil, or angry. They can be any number of things, as long as they want to destroy magic. The reason they want to destroy it isn't really relevant.

Then called me stupid for pointing it out IC.

GLWYN, Son of the Legend of the Battlefield.

*** This should be under the main death thread ****

Do you have an overinflated sense of your own self worth.

Mechanically, you are spot on, the build has lots of weaknesses. Having played on either side of your RP, you were way to cozy with evil villagers, and had paper thin RP around goodie mages. As for your comments about Saffaeh, I can't totally disagree, HOWEVER, your leadershipd style was painfully crappy, trying to give orders but never understanding what doing so really meant.

In short, read what you said about Pini, and replace that name with your own characters. You aren't very good for the game in your current state.

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. I just finished writing this and am coming back up here to warn that it's excruciatingly long, like even worse than tl;dr. Read at your own risk!

Never done the elf/dagger/stsf/flow and having just seen that fort elf wanted to see how it would work in battle. Strong, obviously, but I don't think people really appreciate all the drawbacks and weaknesses, especially those that come from being a villager. Fear based on theory, rather than practice, kept people away, and in the end, much of this comes from boredom. I'd be alone for hours, and deliberately stay online hoping others would log on, see me, stay on, and then another, and another, and so on, but it didn't happen. There's just so much raiding, gathering items for Tahren, and exploring you can do alone.

I can't tell you how many times I would be very hurt, even near death, and enemies would show up in the area, and then go away. Same with air forms in fact sometimes. The general conceptual fear kept me alive many times it should not have. The rager part of that is, as is always the case, you have to walk to/from everywhere. For example, the fort elf/dagger guy could go and raid orcs and if things got tough just quaff. I couldn't. And with diseases, it's a death trap almost every time. Similarly, every other cabal, when it takes an item, can go do stuff, because if someone tries to retrieve, you quaff return and are but a moment from your cabal. Not battle. People complain we stick around the village, but that's because if we go to farr when we have your item and your online, what was the point of taking it? Often the only way to get a fight is to have your item, and even then, more often than not, people still wouldn't come, not even once. So again, in the end, boring.

I'll also take exception to people throwing out that common line that villagers never leave eastern road. Enough already. It's not just not true, it's stupid. We go everywhere. Even places we likely can't get out of, from the Aturi timberlands to the pine forest to K'tengs and so forth. It's insulting to players and just factually wrong, but worst of all it gives new-ish players the completely wrong impression and maybe keeps them from trying one out.

Being a goodie rager, or really a goodie in any mixed-align cabal, comes with real drawbacks. I'd want to explore with everyone, but cannot group with evils. Can't go get equ with evils. Pretty much can't do anything not really directly cabal related with evils. I'll throw out there that it seems a lot of people are pretty lax about roleplay in this regard. You shouldn't be checking alignment at the cabal entrance. A few of our evil characters I would never have known were evil from their roleplay, which is unfortunate. I get you all have the common value of hating mages (or, enforcing the law, or supporting chaos, or supporting thar-eris, for the other mixed-align cabals) but you should be going about it very differently, and in general roleplaying with others should be, well, evil, or good, or neutral. Evil battleragers hardly ever came across as evil, to me, with the one exception of that dark-elf dagger guy with a P whose name I'm blanking on. I tried to roleplay "good" morality, I guess others will tell me if it came across.

It also comes with the drawback of limiting equ. There are very few highish end options for elf warriors that are not magic or iron. Both armor and daggers. Heartseeker? Magic. Light of redemption? Magic. There are some that exist, and they are good, but if you don't have the one or two, you're out of luck, there aren't really any replacements. And some of the good-only stuff, like the diamond armor, is extremely heavy, so not really useful for elves. For area writers, or people doing reviews of items that should or should not be flagged magic, maybe keep this in mind and be a bit less restrictive.

Along those lines, I made it a point to always talk to goodie mages before ever attacking them. And I think I actually talked to all of the mages, evil or good, before, though I know a couple I did not get a chance until after. She was always about getting people to change, to give up the magic (she had a number of ways of putting it but all essentially meaning that), even the evilest of evil, but especially the goods.

About the build specifically, I can't express how often the blocking escape mechanism of stsf is vastly overrated. In the end I think it netted me two kills, maybe three. I have log after log after log of people fleeing without problem, stsf fully charged, even at the giant. Maybe this character had a bad luck stat (if that's even involved) but over and over and over people would get away writhing or convulsing.

On the other hand, it was remarkable how good the build was in surviving, both pvp and pve. As long as I kept my weight down, paid attention, and was not too crazy, I usually could get out of a bad jam. And in pve it was in many ways better than a berserker, as long as I had a bit more patience - which with an elf, and few if anyone else to play with, I did.

One EXTREMELY helpful thing I had not counted on was the leader weapon. Having a blade I could stab with all the time without fear of breaking it was wonderful. I had to stop doing it with the bejeweled because when it breaks, you have to uncurse, sac, and get again, and at least twice it did not come back to the mob after killing, which was frustrating. But the leader weapon was great for that, even if it was crazy heavy. I typically ran with 8-10 extra str, and often I'd drop my dual wield dagger because the leader dagger is like 13 or 14 pounds.

Ready to answer any questions on my experience with the build, fire away if you want!

People:

First and foremost, I must give my greatest thanks to...Heltun! Worst part about going battle, for non-assassin and non-svirf, is getting that first kill. I reiterate the suggestion that you should be able to pledge at 25 even without a kill, get detect invis, and then not be able to proceed until you get that kill. But for this char, Heltun decided to come fight me, after I had been trying for a week or so with him every time he was visible, and it was terrific. Who knows how long it would have been, but he was game, he was out for fun, and it made this character. So thank you, Heltun's player, for participating in pk in a pk mud! :)

Second, Ergush. Great talks, though not nearly as often as I would have hoped, especially the last month or so. Tattoo problem is really unfortunate, and made me have to change play style which got me killed or lost me a kill three times. Still worth it though. Just consider trying to entice a couple moments from a coder to fix one day! As to the religion, I think I got it, but always room for more and deeper, so probably will try another one day.

Third, Nalasul. You were by far the most accessible of the battle imms, and I appreciated it greatly. Thanks for the entertaining commentary and support. I did indeed want to stir things up and get more people to be more active, but in the end it's about the players, not the characters, and if the players don't want to play, nothing we can do about it. One day I'll have to try a direct follower. I'm sorry there was no rites during my 350+ hours, but c'est la vie.

Fourth, battleragers. Yickle and Halimar, I saw you two the most by far in my last 200 hours and you were both fun and well roleplayed. Yickle, I suspected you were a newbie/returning vet, and then when you called the siege encampment "whitecloaks" I knew it, so not surprised by your post below. Thank you, I hope you understood what I was doing when I made you learn the ruins and paths to things. I didn't want you to get yourself or other villagers killed because you didn't know the ways to/from cabals and in and around the ruins. Figured learning it now will help all future characters. Halimar, if you aren't already, I expect you to be commander. Obviously a vet and doing very well, one of only three executioners when I deleted, including myself and Qutt. I think you benefit from people not having the knee-jerk (mistaken) fear of your build that they (mistakenly) did of mine, and so you get more fights, which makes me jealous! :) Keep it up.

Saffaeh, you seem like a nice guy, but you should not be commander. I feel terrible if you have a connection problem, but for whatever reason you put people's lives in danger. You log on, say you'll do something like stay and guard or go raid, and 9 times out of ten you don't, and 20 minutes later the destructor says you've logged off after voiding. Take some sort of elder status, veteran, whatever, but stop being commander. It's unfair to everyone else. Enjoy the char, but don't take a position others rely on with your inability to stay logged on after you log in.

As for enemies, it was a mixed bag, with negative unfortunately as much as positive. Pininip, you sell yourself short. You are a total griefer and were a complete asshole to me and others with me and entirely did more than enough to warrant the full. Also, I happen to know you did not in fact get everything back, and so your need, in real life, as the player, to lie about that, is just delicious. Obviously you were quite upset, which is good, because you are bad for the game.

Katiah, yah, great stuff with the notes. Impressive poetry! ;) I think it had been a long while since cabal leaders used the notes system to drum stuff up, and so I'm glad when I started it encouraged more use. In-character, of course, it was infuriating, as Rarywey will attest! And speaking of Rarywey, yeah, was a great roleplay relationship. Sorry about some of the deaths, but not sorry I gave you flack for using magic. Hope you continue to go exploring with people, bards are just awesome for that.

Ogae, you are right, that last fight did not go the way you expected, because... my key stuck. It entered "art ogae" about seven times. I was so angry, resist fell, blah blah blah, dead. Sadly, it appears orange juice got there and there you have it. I'm going to use you as an example that applies to many though on something else: you would talk to me, meaning you would be the one to start talking, and you would insult me, and then when I responded, you would then say I'm the one being insulting. It was almost surreal and to be honest a bit Trumpian in that it would just be taking on the very thing you said of me. I have pretty much all interactions logged and if necessary I can post the tells, but please accept my word that many of you out there want to be the guy sending tells, but then when you get it back in spades, you immediately devolve into saying it's the person you just insulted who is being the bad guy.

Wijara, I exhort you not to be such the prep whore. You would hit me with devas and oblits just regular, and the one time I got you was when you got cocky and did not have anything, even with Inaj being with you when you chased me. You had class, and I appreciate that, but I just don't see the point of always having every single possible prep, like sanctuary (gotten through a prep) and all that, for most if not all fights. It kinda breaks the game and with so few people, you were a statically relevant portion of people to fight. Back when there were 50, 75, 100+_people, then you being a huge prep whore would not mean as much because there were a dozen other people to fight. But today? Just not the case. You could start on the giant and then finish the destructor even before I could get back to the village, much less defend. I will say, getting the head back that time while you and Inaj were right there at the vanquisher with me was a real highlight.

Speaking of which, I'm sure there will be a lot of hooting and hollering, but the destructor is not strong enough for what he faces. One of the things I mentioned above, about people not coming to fight me or not realizing just how weak this build can be, is never more true than in raiding scion. It would usually be 15-20 runs to take it down. Between slow, soften, poison, mental knife, weaken, and oblit/annihilate black fire novas, I could go from 1k to 300 hp in two rounds. All that while having three or for air shifters, as well as Ogae (you more often than not did not defend) meant I could be a corpse easily. And that doesn't even consider if there was a defender all those little nightwalkers who steal everything (that should be changed) as well as transmuter your ass with disruptions and other nasty stuff. I watched people raid the destructor and as every other cabal has access to preps and other character buffs (shields, sancs/black auras, etc.), it was sad. The destructor went down faster than the tribunal or even keeper (if only berserkers, with a defender the keeper goes down faster, but of course you have to deal with 52 hour confusion - that duration also should be changed). I've raided every cabal at one point or other, and done so as mages, priests, and warriors, and given all he ever can get are bandages/poultices every three hours, I think he's a bit on the weak side.

Maeneekoni, I kept that skin and sack my entire life. I think I had it for over 300 hours. Thank you! :) We had some fun, though you were hidden so much of the time, even with no enemies or anyone at all, that I personally don't understand how you have fun playing the game. At one point I was on for almost 2 hours when you first came out of camo, and you were above me on the list! I doubt I'll ever understand, but if that's what floats your boat, ok. I would have liked to travel more and try to do more, but it never seemed really to work out. Thanks for the recent help being my guidepost getting out of the sea!

Aynwinria, similar though not nearly as much hiding. You kinda dropped off the last few weeks, I hope everything is alright. You did really well with the acolyte rp, and while Eth probably didn't appreciate it so much, I the player recognized it as tip top rp. I hope you can reinvigorate the fortress and keep it up.

That's a lot of rambling and I can't think of anything else right at the moment. Also not proofreading so sorry for any obvious typos and stuff like that. And if I forgot someone who obviously I had singificant interaction with, I'll respond if you post.

Finally, if anyone would be generous enough to pick up the pbf, I would be grateful. Wife does not permit me to spend even the five bucks on cf. When I have the time, as I did these last few months due to the virus, I spend much of it on cf, which she does not appreciate ;). Not ideal, but there you go.

Good luck to everyone.

*Pininip, you sell yourself short. You are a total griefer and were a complete asshole to me and others with me and entirely did more than enough to warrant the full. Also, I happen to know you did not in fact get everything back, and so your need, in real life, as the player, to lie about that, is just delicious. Obviously you were quite upset, which is good, because you are bad for the game.

I had two instances of OOC behavior as Pininip and both were from you. I'm a little confused by your psycho statement of deliciousness from me saying I was able to regear quickly. I was laughing a bit because when I was fighting you my daughter was tugging on my arm for me to unpause her show while I kept trying to type 'c word' and I think I ended up mistyping it 3 times before I died. It's funny to me you complain about not getting fights after that.

The reason I took the 3 items from your previous character after I dispersed you into the throne room in orc village was because your RP was super arrogant and you talked a lot of trash while you were out of range. I warned you to leave. Losing gear you were given at a low rank was a big enough deal for you to go OOC and delete, and go OOC again and full sac someone with your next character. Usually tat'd leadered characters don't swing that way but you're one of the special breeds. I'm glad you felt vindicated though if it helped you move on with your life, mine wasn't phased. I am bad for YOUR game and I'm okay with that after having interacted with you.

in all the wrong ways

like a weird mix of jerry/shravthar/graatch rolled in 1

Taking someone's items that you don't need only because you decided his roleplay isn't good enough for your perception - is 100% OOC move. So it's hilarious to read your above statement where you blame someone for goind OOC after you did some OOC #### to him.

Bit of a difference in looting items and telling someone they're a griefing POS or they ruin the ####ing game while IC.

You can use whatever excuses you like to approve your own behaviour, but you both went OOC and you've been first of two. Probably you split OOC behavior in categories like "light OOC" and "heavy OOC", but it's only for your own point of view. So, I'm sorry to tell it after your speech, but you've got no room here to talk of OOC.

Our times just matched up terribly.

Whenever I logged on, you had to leave. Real life takes precedence though. I was really looking forward to fighting you in the midbie ranges but it just wasn't to be.

GLWYN!

I try to be visible as much as possible so those who seek the Fortress or me can do so. I tried to provide counsel as best as possible to you. We had some good adventures though disappointed we didn't do the one thing we wanted to do. Just couldn't get the other person with us, or one of us three would be missing. My hours dropped a little b/c I started working again. Stupid Covid (I didn't have it myself) kept me out of work for almost three weeks. My play times are just a bit random right now and being pretty much alone in the Fortress for a while sure didn't help matters. Anyhow, good interactions and adventures for us two, and good luck with your next!

Tried to afterfigh-RP with you. Got semi-OOC whines and insults back. Turned my phone off and added your number into a 'never talk again' list.

I suggest you to learn to split yourself and your characters, because RP doesn't mean 'be a rude asshole to your events'. Especially for an elf. Especially for a female. Especially for a character that is not a thug.

This reminds me of a fortress elf invoker who loved to send '#### off' tells, and called it RP. )

But there is a good news too - you'll make a cool goblin/orc character and shine with your arpee there!😉

Just wanted to add: there's no reason a female character can't be as rude (or more so) than any male character.

It could be that in some fantasy parody. But not in a serious setting, only maybe as an exception. But sadly, each and every current battlerager thinks that more trashtalks they send, the better is their arpee. Similar story was 'bad mages killed all my family and burned my village'. It's a common joke nowadays that the rites should be replaced with a trashtalks contests, and if you're not a badmouth ####talker, you are not getting into the battle cabal.

Are you seriously trying to argue that in a serious setting, females cannot be as rude as males?

That's literally the stupidest thing I've read on these forums, and these forums are literally filled with people saying stupid stuff.

(n/t)

..butthurt you brought here out of the game. Chill and take it easy. You're top ####talker of all I've seen anyway, and you continue it even here which only confirms it.

To be clear: I wasn't necessarily endorsing trash talking.

My only point was that there are no special RP guidelines for female characters that would require them to be "less rude" than male characters.

I don't argue with that. But in this particular case we are telking of the elven woman. Elves are a highest intelligent race in the world. And intelligent people are not rude, by definition, because rudeness is a quote opposite to int. I think they may be harsh, but not taking like goblins, unless they took 'dumb' flaw (or how it is called) several times. And that was not the case. That is my point, and that a such lack of RP makes people want to type 'ignore %username' in the command line. Too bad this player can't understand that - that he is missing a lot of cool in-game opportunities and plots, just because he is playing not his character, but himself. And this is a common problem of the current playerbase, to be honest. That's all.

What world are you living in? Intelligence has nothing to do with manners.

Intelligent people can be rude, crass, vulgar and insulting just as much (if not more) than anyone else. Conan O'Brien graduated from Harvard and created the masturbating bear sketch. Lewis Black graduated from Yale and.. well, is Lewis Black. Intelligence doesn't mean that you're polite, or use flowery words or whatever you want it to mean.

Elves can be snobby, uppity assholes with superiority complexes where they use their longetivity and intelligence to view many beneath them and treat them like children. Just b/c you think an elven female must bring you warm milk and cookies, and just be pretty little thing, doesn't make it true.

As someone who played one of the most hated (or liked) elven females where people talked about my RP for years b/c people didn't know my role, or saw past her icy exterior, brought fumes to some people b/c I didn't roleplay the goody goody, here is a cookie elf.

I truly feel for you if you believe all characters should be cookie cutters and not a different persona then stereo typed characters.

I'll stop at this point b/c I can go on and on about RP.

Rudeness may be direct (insults, trashtalking) or intelligent (smart-insults). The best kind of insults are insults, where a respondent isn't 100% sure if he was insulted or not. That's (in MY opinion) is how 'rude elves' could be. So you are correct, I've talked of the 'brute and primitive rudeness', trashtalks here. And of course I always love to see intelligent smart-insults from the enemy, but, unfortunately, it's a quite rare case (and not this one for sure). :)

Yeah, see the part where I talk about assholes who talk #### then get all upset when it comes back at them. You're high on the list, buddy. And way to be sexist!

This mummy-guy shouldn't appear here with OOC blaming as he's confirmed ####talker himself.

So you basically called me out because I didn't RP the way you wanted me to. You didn't RP the way I wanted you to either. You were annoying, always wondering what I was doing, and never once talked about tactics. When I ignored you, you kept asking.. You didn't know what to do with any of the info I gave you; BTW as a scout I'm supposed to tell other Battle people where everyone is. You hoarded gear. You hoarded magical gear which you can't use. You tried to call me out for taking my things back, when I should've jumped in on that fight (WAR!). There's a reason noone made "peace with Orcs," it's lame RP. Doing it as an elf over a piece of equipment is also very very lame RP. Why the hell would an elf do that? You're from a village of barbarians, we weren't complaining about Orcs raiding. My char wasn't gonna take much more of your lip, he was ready to start ambushing you at the giant. Get kicked out of Battle if necessary. I know the only reason you told me about X was to keep it out of your enemies hands. You never followed the second rule of defender.. But I actually had fun fighting with you. Phyxraen was a drow, the drow/elf banter went like it was supposed to. Not every evil cares that much about elves. If your char was supposed to be annoying/question everything you did a damn good job. If you thought that was "goodie" rp it didn't feel like that. As my drillmistress, I had to give you a bit of respect. You know, the whole Battle tablet/code thing. If you weren't drillmistress our conversations would have gone much differently and I would've challenged you to at least 2-3 fights.

These days, looting is more sensitive then it ever has been. From what I saw/heard, you took it to the extreme in multiple situations and having some inside knowledge, you definitely hoarded things beyond cool.

Actually, I purposefully did not call you out or in any way identify you. There were, I think, five evils when I deleted, and I said nothing specific about any of them. You just outed yourself.

But now that you did, I didn't want you to roleplay any particular way, except that it be as an evil. You didn't. As for being a scout and giving info, you often would tell me where people were... who I couldn't fight, and had told you I couldn't fight. Which, ok?

I hoarded no gear. I used everything I had. I kept the abomination axe, but other than that everything I collected I gave to Tahren at one point or another. I kept my weight under 50% so, you know, can't hoard. I kept the magic items in the village and gave them when useful, as everyone else does. So not sure what you're talking about here.

And you're being deliberately misleading about "calling you out" about taking things. I killed someone, myself. You were not part of it. But you then took things from the corpse. You don't get to take things from other people's corpses. Sure, you may have had those things before, but they aren't yours anymore once you lose them. If you wanted them, you should have asked. Frankly, it was me who almost took you to the circle for taking from my corpse without my permission. And if you had jumped in on my fight, I definitely would have. But I felt bad for you so I let you keep them and talk like an idiot about you get to do what you want with other people's kills.

And you're also misleading about peace with the orcs over a piece of equipment. He wanted something I had, I did not want anything he had. Maybe you don't get it, but orcs are a distraction for the village, and making it so that villagers didn't have to go to the orc village to retrieve and fight the orcs instead of all our other enemies was exactly what a good drillmaster would do. Any rager should do, really.

I have no idea what "X" is, but ok. In the end, you seemed like a newbie. I left things for you in the pit, you didn't even look, including at the end when I had to force you to look at a helm that I had left for you three times.

As for questioning you, yeah, when you do stupid or weird things, that's the job of the drillmaster. I really wish you had challenged me to the circle. Would have been a moment out of the boredom at the end. And you would have lost. :)

Oh, I full looted one person, ever. Pinny. Pretty much everyone else I took nothing at all aside from coins, or perhaps one or two at most. I have the logs. So third time's the charm with your swings and misses! Thanks for playing.

So you would have taken me to the circle over attacking someone we were at war with? Think about that.

I constantly told you people you could harm, too. Yes, going to fight near the tree would be a bit of disadvantage for you, but you had me there to help.

Stupid or weird things? Dude you questioned EVERYTHING. Sorry you see that as what a drillmistress should do. It didn't feel like you were trying to help me improve.. I thought that was your RP but sounds like it was you going through the char.. so because I didn't do it your way I did it wrong, as an evil reclusive giant. One of the times: When we're both running back sorta hurt and confused from getting the equation, no I'm not gonna take eastern road when there's 2 air shifters so I can get arteried or hurled by my confused drillmistress.. as a ranger.. not in the woods..

I admit, I don't have all the gear memorized like I did back ..then.. but to call me a newbie? you're out of your mind and seem mad for something. Maybe I don't care that much about gear? I was more confused why it so important for you to get me that piece of gear.. thanks for the helm though it's nice. I don't know the other evil ragers. But you called all 5 of us out.

I might've lost at the circle. But I will always have my arena victory over you. You would not win if I was ambushing you at the giant.

I've seen you take the strongest of people's items. Yes you didn't CARRY the items you would hoard, I know what you did. You didn't LEAVE them in the village either. You did something else which I don't wanna specify. But it's very ####ty.

Orcs are a distraction for the village.. but as en elf, you should be happy someone else wants to kill them too. Not just you. The Orc in question shouldn't be dealing with the elf either. Elf vs. Orc is a strong hatred or just as strong as Rager Vs. Mage. I couldn't wrap my head around that whole thing. He drinks elf blood for crying out loud..

You have a lot wrong in there, and I'll point it out, but this will be the last from me to you here, if you feel you need the last word, it's yours.

You really are a newbie if you think taking someone to the circle for attacking someone another villager already is fighting is odd, it's in fact recommended. You absolutely need to take some time to brush up on the village, the most circle challenges in history are because people jumped in on fights.

You also would tell me someone was somewhere you were, who you could fight. Why would I go fight them with you? Like I said, you would point things out that were useless. Which I never chastised you for, so not sure your problem, but ok. Shrug.

And no, obviously I didn't question everything. I questioned things that made things more difficult, more dangerous, more risky, for seemingly no purpose. And the one instance you mention here, when you explained why you took the longest possible route while bringing a cabal item home, I said ok and in fact apologized. But of course you don't mention that.

Yes, you won in the arena. Did it not strike you odd I never retreated, never really did much but one or two things? It was to give you a boost of confidence. And you ambushing me at the giant would have resulted in you dead. Doesn't matter now, can't actually do it, so think what you wish.

Please stop with the lying about hoarding. As I said, I left magic items in the village and gave to Tahren when useful. And I gave everything but one piece, the axe, at one time or another. I have no idea what you're referring to, but it's just made up, so please, stop embarassing yourself. I've got the logs, so if necessary I'll just send them along. Ask people who I killed how much, if anything, I took. Hell, I left Neajess weapons one of the times I killed. So just stop.

And as for orcs, you really don't want to see the point. She's the drillmistress. Her job is the village - and the war, and it should be yours, too. Have you ever been to a rites? Every single time, every single person, every single imm, always talks about limiting distractions. Which is what orcs are. Focus on the true enemies. And preserving villager lives. Which, as you should know, was what Ethlerrereva was about, perserving life. She got kudos for doing it, just so you know. I don't judge the orc, but he got the two things he wanted, an item, and his focus on his own betrayers, the empire. You got a problem with that, go roll fortress and fight orcs all the time at whim.

Like I said, you acted like a neutral, wanting help from an elf, never acting evil, never doing anything remotely evil, just neutral wanting all the benefits. If that makes you happy, good for you. It's a game. But don't pretend it's not what it is.

Enjoy your last word.

Let's try to cool it. You guys can litigate this when all the involved characters are dead and gone. I do want to respond to this bit though:

>So you would have taken me to the circle over attacking
>someone we were at war with? Think about that.

Taking someone to the circle for attacking a battle enemy could be entirely appropriate depending on the circumstances.

I agree with you Nalasul. Depends on the reason/circumstances.

If the reason is parity, there's no parity in war. That's what I was reading this. Guess I wasn't clear enough and just assumed she'd take me to the circle for parity reasons.

Yes I'll cool it, it's getting personal and I wasn't trying to get it to there.

Ethle, I don't remember you apologizing ever.. but my blinders may have been on. That was question #242342343 it seemed in my eyes. Just my perspective.

I think it's tough to rp goodie villager, but you did it well. You really made it about saving the world and trying to enlighten people.

I enjoyed our interactions OOC. You know how it was IC.

Thank you. Appreciate it. As a player I was impressed with the slick job you did. As Eth, it was a grave, grave betrayal. One of the worst of her whole life and for which she would never offer forgiveness. I don't know if you were not leveling to avoid her, but if you had leveled, she would have gunned for you a lot! :)

Good luck and have fun!

Sad to see Ethler go. It was nice to talk with you and look at the story you came up with for your character. Neat concept. I do not, however, miss Ethler... mainly because Ergush refers to people by their names and not "He, She, you , etc" and spelling your name was a pain :)

I did enjoy our talks and you helped me flesh out some stuff about the religion with your questioning, so thanks! The Tattoo thing is unfortunate, but something that is out of my hands for the time being.

Thanks for all the fun and GLWYN!

Ooc.....

Did you work your early skills in mourdrillar?

My goodie saw you spend hours in mourdrillar, and ic hated seeing a goodie kill off neutral pacifists.

But, I admit, ooc...I never actually saw you kill a mob in there...just spend hours and hours in there.


But, ooc, I could never kill moudrillar pacifist mobs as a goodie.

I'm likely to smack any goodie I see doing that in one fashion or another. BUT I also don't always catch people doing it.

No matter what align, going there is always tempting.

Rarywey has/had a lot of opinions about you going on besides how we interacted on the surface. It was a lot of fun to have a friendship that often resulted in some slightly adversarial interactions, at least from my POV. I hush no one, especially if it frustrates you.

Never really got to interact with you in person, but in all honesty enjoyed the fun banter back and forth via Rarywey :)

Best of luck to you.

Was great fun, as I wrote, good job on the poetry!

Wish we'd actually have fought. My only recommendation would be to tangle more with your enemies! Good luck and have fun.

I thought it was cool you went out of your way to teach non-magicians how to be less reliant on magic. I remember specifically walking back to the main cities instead of using a return potion just because of your talk with me about becoming too reliant on magic.

Just wanted to say: you were extremely consistent with the hard-ass/demanding role-play.

I also appreciated how you tried to spur people to be more involved/active in the cabal.

You'll be missed...

My first warrior and villager in about 25 years. Appreciate the patience and help. Sad to see you go since you were 1 of 2 people who regularly showed when I was around.