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Topic subjectBirds have no hands!
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22205, Birds have no hands!
Posted by Gwildaththea on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
They shouldn't be able to shackle the condor around its wrists because it doesn't have any!

commune birdform
<731hp 870m 1087mv 26000tnl 5 AM PROTECTED civilized new>
You close your eyes and hum for an instant.
You continue to use the mystic power of your foraged herbs to shift into the shape of a condor.

<731hp 820m 1087mv 26000tnl 5 AM PROTECTED civilized new>
fly

Your hands involuntarily flinch from the stabbing pain as Annkhu clasps barbed shackles onto
your wrists.
Annkhu's bloody shackles hits you.
Annkhu is in perfect health.
22259, FNCR
Posted by Scarabaeus on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
You probably shouldn't be able to shackle any shifted form, realistically.

(Yes, I realize there are some humanoid animals.)
22261, Are you saying..
Posted by Lhydia on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
You took away the ability to manacle/shackle shifters?

22262, I'm saying...
Posted by Scarabaeus on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I'm happy to be convinced of a scheme in which manacles should work on animals; currently I'm not sold on the logic of throwing manacles on a mongoose, so it will not presently work.
22264, Wow. That's a huge gameplay change...
Posted by Lhydia on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
...to fix a cosmetic issue. Time to roll outlander shifter.
22265, Perhaps
Posted by Scarabaeus on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I'm not sure I would say "huge", but it is significant.

I also would not consider it purely cosmetic. The world needs to have a consistent internal logic, insofar that we don't stretch it beyond reasonable limits. I wouldn't expect a Tribunal to be able to shackle an air elemental, for example.

Nothing removed from the bug queue is set in stone, so I wouldn't get too excited about it yet.
22269, What about one-handed?
Posted by Kstatida on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I wonder if you can shackle those who take one-arm flaw then.
22271, empircal data
Posted by Scarabaeus on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
Take the one-arm flaw and report it as a bug if you get shackled. :P
22273, Haha I would never
Posted by Kstatida on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I hope torak does though with his love of playing something crippled :)
22266, Not in Nottingham.
Posted by Iunna on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
22267, where animals can...
Posted by Scarabaeus on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
...wield crossbows, hammers, and swords. Huh. That's compelling.
22275, OMG I love you for this. Just watched this last week.
Posted by TMNS on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
The best Robin Hood, still.
22276, FWIW, Bloody Shackles are a rare, special ability.
Posted by Quixotic on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
If we were to imagine the Blood Tribunal to be guards running around with iron chains, tackling criminals and then slapping them into the stocks, then your idea that shackles shouldn't work on them is appropriate. Using said log, shackles should also not work on any class that can shift phase or pass door--the shackles would just fall off.

However, shackles are a very rare ability conferred by an item of power, and powers tend to trump class abilities.

To give the most popular mage class the ability to ignore the powers of a cabal that can apply its skillset to a limited group of characters in an even more-limited subset of situations seems to herald the impending death of the cabal.

If your intent is to neuter the Blood Tribunal, just lose the cabal and move on. If you look at balance, I think we have precedent that powers tend to supersede class abilities. And if we look at logic, remember we are playing a game of fantasy.
22277, RE: FWIW, Bloody Shackles are a rare, special ability.
Posted by Scarabaeus on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
I'd suggest taking it down a notch; whether you intend it to or not, your response comes off as being over the top.

I view the manacles as something other than handcuffs carried on a belt; I do think they need to maintain some semblance of logic, even if they are divine/magical/etc. Slapping manacles on an anaconda, for example, seems like a pointless endeavor.
22281,
Posted by Scarabaeus on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
That didn't take long. If you have future comments on bug fixes, take them to the immortals that read Gameplay.