Thu Nov 22 07:53:22 2018

At 1 o'clock AM, Day of the Sun, 34th of the Month of the Battle
on the Theran calendar Zanitjah perished, never to return.

hey man. Yeah did not see your pbf until after the posts, and eh. One thing to note is yeah you can do the quests and start the quests earlier and stuff, but bear in mind the point of it is to cheat death (hence why hours are important etc et al, age).

The mummy quest CAN work earlier, but stupidly rare chance. At 150ish hours taking the quest you are in the way early mark, and I did not know that.

So yeah, if you want something that early, do wight. I did my first wight at like 60 hours .

otherwise, play the char a while. Interact alot. I interact with imms, gotten smited by imms and have loved every moment of it (fa veth, Ergush, though my char doesnt know the language lol) he shoved his spear through me

I interact with alot of players and am doing alot. Spend some time with the char and it will be rewarded.

Still does not make the attempt garaunteed trust me, I had a 70ish once and failed. I still enjoyed the char for the most part and was not wasted at all.

So yeah, I can say that no foul play was involved given that circumstance it looks like, and im sorry how things turned out.

Mummy is still VERY worth it.

Next time you don't want someone to be successful, you could at least modify the roll.
Base 70. Roll 75 Fail
I can go away thinking I just missed out and continue the character I started during the incubation.

But modifying the base, it's pretty much saying, we don't want you playing this game, go away.

Or am I missing something?

>Or am I missing something?

You are.

And since you've been decent enough to not jump to conclusions and accuse the staff of something underhanded, I'll let you in on a li.. oh wait, #### you.

Thanks for admitting is was you Umi.

Of course, just about every .AU char ruined in some way from the imm staff was you, so it was not like there was any doubt about it.

#### You

This game is only supposed to be for racist Americans and Russians.

Never had anything but extremely positive IMM experiences.

It was something you did. I can tell what it is just by looking at your pbf. Having succeeded and failed with mummification with different characters you pick up a few things. I'll echo the thought that the imms contrary to some belief do not sit up there conspiring against foreign players. In fact many go out of there way to make it enjoyable. I've seen a certain imm wake up at 4am local time to do an event with a player at a time they could do it. Anyway, it's not what you think it is.

Such nerdrage. I feel sorry for the people that have to pretend to like you =)

You're saying it's possible that something you can do in game as a necromancer can set your base roll as low as 3? Because that's terrifying.

That's like ugh.

...missing something.

Honestly, my first thought with EVERY conspiracy theorist we have is that they all have an insane philosophy assuming Immortals want to spend their day coming up with underhanded ways to screw people.

Seriously. I don't have any idea who you are as a player, much less want to spend my day finding super convoluted ways to screw someone over. We use things like deny or siteban if we want to remove characters or players from the game. It tends to get the point across. Admittedly, I have no clue what affects the chances, and yours is even lower than this one, but you're not the only one who's had horrible chances.

http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=31&topic_id=50969&mesg_id=50978&page=4

At least the dude mastered reanimate

Greater undead 75% made me laugh though.

Not a good example, because that guy is an OOC friend of mine.

I am willing to accept that he got 5% because lets face it 67 hours is pretty early. However, I would not be shocked if his original chance was 15 or 20% first and it got lowered.

I don't think the immortal are spending time working out ways to screw people. The incubation is clearly designed to give this option.

No doubt, some highly well role-played necromancers have been given a boost to their chance (as once mentioned by Sacer). And I don't have a problem with this. I wish I had the creative talent to be in that group.

But I have still died on all three of my attempts despite having the right items.

Beandra died with 85 percent chance of success. Just a ####ty roll.

Only thing I would change is to let the mummy know right away whether they've failed. I was doing over my mummy for a week only to find the process could permakill me.

n/t

You based all your assumptions on bits and pieces of what you took
from this person and that, but didn't know all the details, as I
point below to what Destuvius pointed out. This common thing to
blame the IMM's right off the bat when things don't go your way, is
just getting old. There is no big conspiracy going on to #### on
anyone's fun time. I feel bad for Umiron and Scarbaeus when I see
stuff like this over and over. We all have better things to do and
something like this rubs me the wrong way because I see all these
people generally putting a lot of work and love into this game
with what tools are available to them. We all aren't waving the magic
unfun stick around to piss people off. It would be counterproductive
to all the cool stuff people like Ish and Rahsael cook up on a daily
basis. I watched you a good bit, and even with my lack of knowledge
with game mechanics, I knew you had less than an opportune chance.
Wipe yourself off, take a big piece of humble pie, admit you were
wrong and overreacted. And give the big guy Umiron an apology.


Emnon

Wouldn't count on any measure of self awareness coming any time soon. But, he'll be back!

Mon Nov 19 07:49:04 2018 at level 47 (229 hrs):
Gave all correct items to Conservator <PK: 17-7>

Mon Nov 19 07:49:04 2018 at level 47 (229 hrs):
Incubation process started <PK: 17-7>

Thu Nov 22 07:50:07 2018 at level 47 (233 hrs):
Base chance: 3, Roll: 16, Result: Death!
<PK: 17-7>

Thu Nov 22 07:50:07 2018 at level 47 (233 hrs):
Incubation complete, the result is Death! <PK: 17-7>

base chance of 3 is very, very very odd. I know you do not have the hours, but as a leader char with dreadlord should have been quite a bit higher.
I am guessing then you did not have the spells required, so you did not meet two requirements for heavy bonuses. I'm sorry

Yeah it was not due to spells.
For whatever reason someone set it low.

Wow. You are going to need some dice with zero's on them to even have the slimest of chances. Had I know where you were at hrs wise I would not have pushed when you did, I assumed you were ready as you collected the items earlier.

Lady death can be a complete B---- at times. But seeing things like this just re-enforces for me if you are going to go for it go for gold and LICH!

GLWYN

another mummy:

Sat Feb 25 09:47:06 2017 at level 47 (190 hrs):
Gave all correct items to Conservator <PK: 23-1>

Sat Feb 25 09:47:06 2017 at level 47 (190 hrs):
Incubation process started <PK: 23-1>

Thu Mar 2 14:12:59 2017 at level 47 (198 hrs):
Base chance: 60, Roll: 39, Result: Success!
<PK: 23-1>

yes hours. Specific to this mummy, is not only hours but age. Back when this mummy in question became, he had reached old age (through items, something that cannot be done now). It matters.

There was a guy that got 5% from 67 hours, no spell practice and no leader.

I mean why would they add randomness to the base code when they have randomness in the roll.

Seems likely the base is just fixed property based on the parameters of the character.

5% is a very low value, and should be about accurate for a person without the other bonuses. I do not know why your value was 3, given leadership and the rest.
And im sorry for that.

The base value is not a random thing, you get what all start at, and get bonuses to that value based on what you have done so far for the character in progression towards becomming a mummy (age, hours, each kill I think matters a tiny bit, leadership). To have a value of 3 I do think you were ####ed with.

Writing to umiron wont matter, but I would ask someone that actually does give a **** like Ishuli and Scarabaeus for any details they can help give on the matter.



Sorry for all this, and this also makes me less wanting to do the quest though I sort of have to now as per a deal I made.

Good Luck Saam,

Sorry I didn't make you elite, I was waiting for you to get to 43 (hero range) for that.

Enjoy Sigil, it's awesome.

Could be down to things like time of day.

I don’t think it was foul play. It shows up when base chance is modified in timeline (for lich anyway).

From my mummy that was middle aged.

Thu Dec 3 23:03:58 2015 at level 47 (188 hrs):
Base chance: 58, Roll: 31, Result: Success!
<PK: 66-12>

And my mummy fail (also middle-age)

Mon Oct 1 14:51:57 2012 at level 47 (202 hrs):
Base chance: 38, Roll: 40, Result: Death!
<PK: 37-28>

Maybe your repel undead or speak with undead skills affected it?

It's hard to think that anything other than foul play was responsible. I'd be more than happy to be corrected though.

Looks like you got boned, dude.

I agree.
Probably the only thing that would not be foul play would be a bug.

However, it's technically not foul play. Sacer has been on the record before that the incubation process gives the opportunity for the imms to modify your base. The example referring to raising your base for exceptional roleplay etc.

Naturally stands to reason they will lower it too.

Otherwise, what's the point of a 3 day incubation if not for this purpose?

So I don't take issue they can change your base, I just take issue that my base got set to 3 when I essentially ran my last 2 empire chars with the best roleplay that I can achieve. And actively avoided pissing people off by not full looting and not multi-killing weaker opponents.

I wouldn't be surprised if not mastered reanimate was like -50% because it's the only spell that EXPLICITLY says it should be mastered in the help file.

Seems unlikely.

Would make more sense that the % in 5 to 10 spells would impact 20% of your chance or something. 96% being better than 75% as well.

The idea that gaining 4% more in renaminate would increase my chances of mummy by 17 times (53% v 3%) is just crazy.

If there was a real reason, one of the imms would have come out by now and explained it. Presumably none of them want to stand up to Umiron.

The idea of taking my words about -50% literally is what's crazy tho.

NT

It's been said before - often the reason Immortals don't respond is
because we don't have the answer you're asking about.

The only Immortals who can answer the "why" explicitly would be those
who can check out the code - which is two. Secondly, my guess is that
even if you were *shown* the explicit code, you still wouldn't believe
it wasn't altered. At this point, I honestly don't know what else to
tell you besides either believe us, or don't. I guess either way you
have an idea what to expect.

A -lot- of undead related spells and skills way below 100. Never seen someone attempting without solid 100's in their pbf. I forget what my chance was, but it was higher, with leader, and I had mastered if I recall everything but maybe speak with dead, which was in the 80's. I saw 80's in spells you can spam without a target, sooooo...

230 hours seems like enough time. Better 'luck' next time, I guess!

P.S. I could be wrong about this, I've attempted 1 maybe 2 mummies. I like(d) wights, back when they could use potions.

Sat Oct 20 06:56:25 2018 at level 47 (148 hrs):
Zanitjah began the quest to become a Mummy <PK: 8-3>

Sat Oct 27 07:40:31 2018 at level 47 (169 hrs):
Zanitjah has been granted by Empire promotion <PK: 8-3>

Mon Nov 19 07:49:04 2018 at level 47 (229 hrs):
Gave all correct items to Conservator <PK: 17-7>

The chance is set when the quest begins, so if your spell mastery was junk when you made the trek down that would be a pretty hefty ding on your chances, as well as not having any leadership bonus hooked to it at the time.

Ow, now this is interesting.

Thu May 19 13:03:30 2011 at level 47 (230 hrs):
Tavlin began the quest to become a Mummy

Fri May 20 20:27:55 2011 at level 47 (240 hrs):
Gave all correct items to Conservator

That seems a bit odd to do it that way, in any event, would be nice if something like that was in the helpfile.

However, I still doubt base 3.

http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=31&topic_id=55909&mesg_id=55914&page=

This guy had worse spells, not a leader and did it at 107/123 hours and got 33%.

I checked about 13 rolls with correct items, average roll was 58 with a Stdev of 13 not including the 67 hour Spectre that got 5% or my 3%.

You overreacted and were explained exactly what you did wrong, your response is to double down on your imaginary slight....

The chance is calculated when you say "yes" and get your item list. At that time, Zanitjah checked virtually none of the boxes (wasn't leader yet, didn't have all the spells, not enough hours, etc.) and so his odds were terrible.

While I'll admit it's not the most intuitive thing ever, I'm still a little surprised nobody pointed it out given how much scrutiny some folks have paid to how this particular quest works, but there it is.

So, since the beans are spilled anyway, for the next guy: don't start the quest until you're good and ready.

Gr

he did carry that mast like a baller, tho

Gr

FWIW, I have combed through your character history (from the archived pfiles) and the calculation code. No one messed with your chance of success, though I now think the success calculation should be reworked. It will take a little time (schedules permitting), but that is some pretty old code.

Aside from mackle melting down, that code DOES really need a rework, being totally counterintuitive.

Can you tell me my % chance?

233 hours wasted.

Never making another Necromancer, so not worth the gamble.

Gr

I think on timeline

Wight is risk-free and in my opinion, the power difference is very minor - especially when considering risk vs reward. Of course, you couldn't have gone Empire...

It's a bit hard to give up the Empire option.
For one, the only spell that works is sigil.
It's the only reason people ask me to join raids on inners or PVE with mobs that hit all (ie zombies no good).

Even vs mobs, I don't know why debuff spells fail so much, they have only very minor impact on the fight.

Vs players with saves or racial resistances, necro debuff spells are really quite horrible. Not just the -4 levels either. I failed over 20 crimsons on a sleeping level 40 svirf. Imagine trying to crimson or poison a sleeping level 51 dwarf.

Cents, Circle and Damned are great too. Empire powers, especially as DL really make a spectre a viable char.

I knew all this and the risks of going for mummy. So I can't complain now. But still it's hard to accept when you were so close to having a pretty cool character.

Being able to attack people trying to cure scourge in cities > sigil

the +1 int as mummy really puts a noticable difference on spellcasting (not putting spellbane into equation) it really does. Wights do not get that, they get strength instead, which without enhanced damage does not go far. Also a weakness to silver means another vuln easily abused, especally by maran, that even if you make yourself highly resistant to fire, and resistant to holy, that is a vuln you cannot reduce. I've had two wights and loved them both, and druids / fortress gets huge advantages against you, instead of as mummy, only druids get that huge advantage (if you again, resist holy).

Also to note, as a mummy with umbra your pets can no longer be summoned at most times once you get one, whether you are empire or not which is a huge deal, and a huge bit to a necromancers' offense in fighting, especially greater undead skills (even ghoul can wreck a persons day, not to mention all the auto attacks from undead). An empirial necromancer has things even better having power of the damned boosting them. A wight gets nothing, and is often having their minions summoned into places they cant get them back from, and it hurts. That is where the biggest powerlevel differences come into play, a non wight undead can have an army at most times, where a wight is severely hindered.

I would recommend a wight to anyone, being a level 51 necro and having all those invulns and resists etc, as well as + 4 levels is awesomesauce. A mummy though really is THAT much better.

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sigh. Now I am the last black atm, and that puts me in a position I dont wanna be in. Also you with this failing, didnt get to read my notes with stuff I have in motion that I REALLY needed you for. Thats a bad spectre. BAD BAD spectre. No spankings for you.

You would have had a decent % chance as a leader char, but if you had waited some more hours (little less than 20) would have been higher, as long as you had the correct items. I'm sorry you didnt succeed.

Also, trust me, mummy is VERY worth it, not to mention the immunities to some damage, and all blackjacks / sleeps etc et al (though druids are op against you) you can protect yourself damn nice from fire and decently to divine rather easily. So having been a mummy before I will say worth it, and dont give up. Just wait a bit longer, and make sure to have the spells perfected needed (I do not know specifically which, so I perfect everything that I know it could possibly be, which is everything but speciifics like detect invis, invis, eh).

If you had the correct items, at that hour given if you had all correct spells perfected, and leader position about 50%. I think closer to 80% with hours also.
Lich is a bit lower on numbers, and wight is garaunteed.

I hope that will help a bit with next necro man.

At least I swear scarab posted that at some point.