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SaagkriFri 14-Jun-19 11:56 PM
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#73378, "Nice straw man"


          

No one thinks a thug should be able to go head to head with a warrior and to my knowledge no one has said so.

Yes, trappers and poisoners can be a real pain. But, that does not support your assertion that thugs should not have better melee because, as you know, a thug is neither a trapper or a poisoner. Nor are they a binder or pickpocket.

A thug forgoes all those other paths to pursue melee. Yes, they can learn some things in other paths, but not the higher level stuff and if they do try to climb another path, they are giving up thief staples like Gentle Walk, Knife, Cheap Shot, Shield Block, etc. to do it.

One of the reasons why I think that thugs are underpowered at hero is their maledicts. If you can last long enough to Kidney Shot, Gut AND Gouge (that's 5 combat rounds assuming you don't miss any) it's not going to hurt as much as one boneshatter, one kot or kans, impale, etc. as far as stats go. So, while any other class is actually killing you with spells, supps or skills, you are using mediocre direct damage skills that are not going to hinder your foe.

Also, at hero, everyone but ragers has fly up which defeats the most expensive thief skill, cheap shot (even more expensive than acrobatics)...for about 150 copper.

At least at L42, you might get lucky and fight someone not covering stats very well or not flying.

  

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HOT TopicGive all thieves general skills? [View all] , Sertius, Tue 11-Jun-19 04:49 PM
Reply RE: Give all thieves general skills?, Aylosi, 28-Jul-19 05:32 AM, #43
Reply That makes them more like stealth warriors, incognito, 28-Jul-19 01:55 PM, #44
     Reply 10 points is a high cost, lasentia, 30-Jul-19 11:56 AM, #45
          Reply RE: 10 points is a high cost, incognito, 31-Jul-19 01:37 PM, #46
Reply With fewer players, thieves are less fun, Amortis, 23-Jul-19 01:34 PM, #41
Reply RE: With fewer players, thieves are less fun, Ishuli, 23-Jul-19 07:19 PM, #42
Reply RE: Give all thieves general skills?, Caecilius et al (Anonymous), 19-Jun-19 08:58 AM, #37
Reply I'd love to pick your brain., Quixotic, 20-Jun-19 12:50 PM, #38
Reply RE: I'd love to pick your brain., Caecilius et al (Anonymous), 23-Jun-19 04:08 PM, #39
Reply RE: Give all thieves general skills?, Thaedan (Anonymous), 30-Jun-19 06:27 PM, #40
Reply Some thief tweaking ideas in bullet form., Saagkri, 15-Jun-19 10:05 AM, #28
Reply RE: Some thief tweaking ideas in bullet form., Ishuli, 15-Jun-19 10:27 AM, #29
     Reply RE: Some thief tweaking ideas in bullet form., Saagkri, 15-Jun-19 11:39 AM, #30
          Reply So you want to nerf pickpockets, Bemused, 16-Jun-19 04:45 AM, #31
               Reply Quite the contrary, Saagkri, 16-Jun-19 05:18 AM, #32
                    Reply Your butthurt is showing, Bemused, 16-Jun-19 05:22 AM, #33
                         Reply Are you having a bad day?, Saagkri, 16-Jun-19 05:44 AM, #34
Reply You all need to stop thinking that thieves should be a ..., Bemused, 14-Jun-19 06:57 PM, #23
Reply Nice straw man, Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 11:56 PM #24
     Reply This is closer to a valid argument imo, Destuvius, 15-Jun-19 04:48 AM, #26
          Reply RE: This is closer to a valid argument imo, Saagkri, 15-Jun-19 05:48 AM, #27
Reply What exactly is it about thieves that makes everyone sa..., Destuvius, 14-Jun-19 05:09 PM, #21
Reply RE: What exactly is it about thieves that makes everyon..., Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 06:12 PM, #22
Reply RE: Give all thieves general skills?, robdarken_, 11-Jun-19 07:09 PM, #3
Reply Nah, Onewingedangel, 11-Jun-19 06:05 PM, #2
Reply I wouldn't say that is where they are strongest, incognito, 12-Jun-19 12:56 AM, #4
Reply I'm against this. NT, Ishuli, 11-Jun-19 05:09 PM, #1
     Reply That's a rather blanket statement, Sertius, 12-Jun-19 11:51 AM, #5
          Reply RE: That's a rather blanket statement, Ishuli, 12-Jun-19 02:12 PM, #6
               Reply Easy Fix, Wasted, 12-Jun-19 05:13 PM, #7
               Reply My choice would be more unpopular., Ishuli, 12-Jun-19 05:38 PM, #8
                    Reply Because that would accomplish nothing?, Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 09:37 AM, #14
                         Reply I think you and she (and you and I) just disagree about..., Mcbeth, 14-Jun-19 03:40 PM, #17
                              Reply I disagree about shifters..., Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 04:57 PM, #20
               Reply What's special about a rager thief with climb?, incognito, 13-Jun-19 02:44 PM, #9
               Reply Convenience., Ishuli, 13-Jun-19 03:02 PM, #10
               Reply As someone who has had a climb rager..., Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 09:06 AM, #12
               Reply I specifically go to the Mines of Zakiim... , SPN, 13-Jun-19 10:59 PM, #11
               Reply Thieves are woefully underpowered..., Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 09:18 AM, #13
               Reply Other thing to mention is, incognito, 14-Jun-19 11:28 AM, #15
               Reply RE: Thieves are woefully underpowered..., robdarken_, 15-Jun-19 02:31 AM, #25
                    Reply Most classes can flush a thief, incognito, 16-Jun-19 02:36 PM, #35
                         Reply re threats to assassins, Quixotic, 18-Jun-19 08:50 PM, #36
               Reply Put steal in pickpocket path in exchange, Sertius, 14-Jun-19 03:36 PM, #16
                    Reply RE: Put steal in pickpocket path in exchange, Mcbeth, 14-Jun-19 03:41 PM, #18
                         Reply RE: Put steal in pickpocket path in exchange, incognito, 14-Jun-19 04:49 PM, #19
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