Saagkri | Fri 14-Jun-19 11:56 PM |
Member since 17th Jun 2014
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#73378, "Nice straw man"
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No one thinks a thug should be able to go head to head with a warrior and to my knowledge no one has said so.
Yes, trappers and poisoners can be a real pain. But, that does not support your assertion that thugs should not have better melee because, as you know, a thug is neither a trapper or a poisoner. Nor are they a binder or pickpocket.
A thug forgoes all those other paths to pursue melee. Yes, they can learn some things in other paths, but not the higher level stuff and if they do try to climb another path, they are giving up thief staples like Gentle Walk, Knife, Cheap Shot, Shield Block, etc. to do it.
One of the reasons why I think that thugs are underpowered at hero is their maledicts. If you can last long enough to Kidney Shot, Gut AND Gouge (that's 5 combat rounds assuming you don't miss any) it's not going to hurt as much as one boneshatter, one kot or kans, impale, etc. as far as stats go. So, while any other class is actually killing you with spells, supps or skills, you are using mediocre direct damage skills that are not going to hinder your foe.
Also, at hero, everyone but ragers has fly up which defeats the most expensive thief skill, cheap shot (even more expensive than acrobatics)...for about 150 copper.
At least at L42, you might get lucky and fight someone not covering stats very well or not flying.
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Give all thieves general skills?
[View all] , Sertius, Tue 11-Jun-19 04:49 PM
RE: Give all thieves general skills?,
Aylosi,
28-Jul-19 05:32 AM, #43
That makes them more like stealth warriors,
incognito,
28-Jul-19 01:55 PM, #44
10 points is a high cost,
lasentia,
30-Jul-19 11:56 AM, #45
RE: 10 points is a high cost,
incognito,
31-Jul-19 01:37 PM, #46
With fewer players, thieves are less fun,
Amortis,
23-Jul-19 01:34 PM, #41
RE: With fewer players, thieves are less fun,
Ishuli,
23-Jul-19 07:19 PM, #42
RE: Give all thieves general skills?,
Caecilius et al (Anonymous),
19-Jun-19 08:58 AM, #37
I'd love to pick your brain.,
Quixotic,
20-Jun-19 12:50 PM, #38
RE: I'd love to pick your brain.,
Caecilius et al (Anonymous),
23-Jun-19 04:08 PM, #39
RE: Give all thieves general skills?,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
30-Jun-19 06:27 PM, #40
Some thief tweaking ideas in bullet form.,
Saagkri,
15-Jun-19 10:05 AM, #28
RE: Some thief tweaking ideas in bullet form.,
Ishuli,
15-Jun-19 10:27 AM, #29
RE: Some thief tweaking ideas in bullet form.,
Saagkri,
15-Jun-19 11:39 AM, #30
So you want to nerf pickpockets,
Bemused,
16-Jun-19 04:45 AM, #31
Quite the contrary,
Saagkri,
16-Jun-19 05:18 AM, #32
Your butthurt is showing,
Bemused,
16-Jun-19 05:22 AM, #33
Are you having a bad day?,
Saagkri,
16-Jun-19 05:44 AM, #34
You all need to stop thinking that thieves should be a ...,
Bemused,
14-Jun-19 06:57 PM, #23
Nice straw man,
Saagkri,
14-Jun-19 11:56 PM #24
This is closer to a valid argument imo,
Destuvius,
15-Jun-19 04:48 AM, #26
RE: This is closer to a valid argument imo,
Saagkri,
15-Jun-19 05:48 AM, #27
What exactly is it about thieves that makes everyone sa...,
Destuvius,
14-Jun-19 05:09 PM, #21
RE: What exactly is it about thieves that makes everyon...,
Saagkri,
14-Jun-19 06:12 PM, #22
RE: Give all thieves general skills?,
robdarken_,
11-Jun-19 07:09 PM, #3
Nah,
Onewingedangel,
11-Jun-19 06:05 PM, #2
I wouldn't say that is where they are strongest,
incognito,
12-Jun-19 12:56 AM, #4
I'm against this. NT,
Ishuli,
11-Jun-19 05:09 PM, #1
That's a rather blanket statement,
Sertius,
12-Jun-19 11:51 AM, #5
RE: That's a rather blanket statement,
Ishuli,
12-Jun-19 02:12 PM, #6
Easy Fix,
Wasted,
12-Jun-19 05:13 PM, #7
My choice would be more unpopular.,
Ishuli,
12-Jun-19 05:38 PM, #8
Because that would accomplish nothing?,
Saagkri,
14-Jun-19 09:37 AM, #14
I think you and she (and you and I) just disagree about...,
Mcbeth,
14-Jun-19 03:40 PM, #17
I disagree about shifters...,
Saagkri,
14-Jun-19 04:57 PM, #20
What's special about a rager thief with climb?,
incognito,
13-Jun-19 02:44 PM, #9
Convenience.,
Ishuli,
13-Jun-19 03:02 PM, #10
As someone who has had a climb rager...,
Saagkri,
14-Jun-19 09:06 AM, #12
I specifically go to the Mines of Zakiim... ,
SPN,
13-Jun-19 10:59 PM, #11
Thieves are woefully underpowered...,
Saagkri,
14-Jun-19 09:18 AM, #13
Other thing to mention is,
incognito,
14-Jun-19 11:28 AM, #15
RE: Thieves are woefully underpowered...,
robdarken_,
15-Jun-19 02:31 AM, #25
Most classes can flush a thief,
incognito,
16-Jun-19 02:36 PM, #35
re threats to assassins,
Quixotic,
18-Jun-19 08:50 PM, #36
Put steal in pickpocket path in exchange,
Sertius,
14-Jun-19 03:36 PM, #16
RE: Put steal in pickpocket path in exchange,
Mcbeth,
14-Jun-19 03:41 PM, #18
RE: Put steal in pickpocket path in exchange,
incognito,
14-Jun-19 04:49 PM, #19
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