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AereglenFri 16-Sep-16 01:42 PM
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#64942, "False."


          

>False. It is a solid argument and it can be remedied by diminishing the sum of advantages a vet can gather over newbies.

False. It is not a solid argument. In fact many vets didn't spend any time farming those edge points anyway. Players like shamanman are notorious for rushing to hero and bringing a lot of action to the hero range. Even without those edge points they still kicked a lot of ass.


>Or it can have the exact opposite effect: as one realize how complicated and time consuming is this game, it is likely (and I suspect it is why playerbase is going down) he'll go somewhere else where he feels he can do more than just not dying to pk fights...

Like I said, those players could look at the vets who didn't farm the edge points ans till end up being some of the toughest characters. It would show them if you want to really be deadly you need to focus on things like timing and strategy rather than farming/grinding. Because until someone knows timing and tactics, no amount of edge points are going to help them land PKs.


>I've been playing CF for almost 10 years and I rarely seen vets taking time to run newbies around... I think it's better to bet on making the game a bit less complicated to attract new players

I've been playing since 1997, and I've had my newbie hands lead around the game lots of times and many of those times the person showing me around was an obvious vet. About half of those times we were evil too. Taking out a few edge points wouldn't exactly make the game less complicated, since they're still edges.


>False: there's a lot of positive comments on the change. With all the classes, races, legacies, virtues, thief points, etc. we have plenty of customization available. I don't think losing the customization possibilities offered by edges is up to the benefits it can bring to player base. Not only newbies will find it less complicated but there's vet who, like myself, find it very interesting not having to see the same room/mob again and again to gather edges points.

That is not entirely true. Yes there was a lot of positive comments, but there was also a lot of negative comments and even some players stopped playing all together because of the changes. There is a lot of customization available, yes, but there are also six classes with absolutely no way to customize outside of role and descriptions. And people need to stop saying they "have" to grind and farm every possible edge point possible. Nobody ever put a gun to anyone's head and said farm these points or you die. Having two more edges than other people is not that big of a deal. You can play priests now without needing empowerment but there are penalties. By your logic those penalties should not be there, like the edge points shouldn't be there available to be farmed. But I don't hear anyone making a plight to get the imms to remove those penalties. In fact people seem quite happy about having the option.

  

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HOT TopicEdgepoints [View all] , Sarien, Wed 14-Sep-16 09:05 AM
Reply Hehehe, like there's new players. There's no one left b..., Serial Ranger, 16-Oct-16 11:02 PM, #74
Reply There are new players., Aereglen, 17-Oct-16 12:00 AM, #75
     Reply Of course, vorian, 19-Oct-16 06:58 PM, #76
Reply RE: Edgepoints, Bemused, 22-Sep-16 12:50 AM, #49
Reply Well done Umi !, vorian, 15-Sep-16 09:22 PM, #25
Reply False., Aereglen, 16-Sep-16 01:42 PM #31
Reply Try to see it my way?, vorian, 17-Sep-16 10:53 PM, #33
     Reply Conversely, incognito, 18-Sep-16 01:28 AM, #34
          Reply RE: Conversely, Destuvius, 18-Sep-16 05:24 AM, #35
               Reply Fighter, Cleric, Mage, Thief., Murphy, 18-Sep-16 06:58 AM, #36
               Reply DWARF CLERIC IN MASTER PLZ AND THX. NT, TMNS, 18-Sep-16 08:35 PM, #37
               Reply Did somebody say..., Umiron, 18-Sep-16 09:01 PM, #39
                    Reply Slander and falsehoods., Jormyr, 18-Sep-16 11:48 PM, #40
                    Reply Cock-tease :) NT, TMNS, 19-Sep-16 01:51 PM, #43
                    Reply I thought the same., Aereglen, 19-Sep-16 03:36 PM, #46
                    Reply Umiron, I have to say...., Doof, 20-Sep-16 04:50 AM, #47
               Reply This is already too much fluff..., vorian, 18-Sep-16 08:58 PM, #38
               Reply RE: Conversely, incognito, 19-Sep-16 03:22 PM, #45
                    Reply Seriously..., vorian, 22-Sep-16 05:30 PM, #50
                         Reply RE: Seriously..., incognito, 23-Sep-16 03:51 AM, #56
                              Reply The absurdity here..., vorian, 23-Sep-16 05:05 PM, #57
                                   Reply RE: The absurdity here..., incognito, 24-Sep-16 02:59 PM, #58
                                        Reply Apparently, vorian, 25-Sep-16 10:01 PM, #60
                                             Reply RE: Apparently, incognito, 26-Sep-16 10:40 AM, #64
                                                  Reply Obviously, vorian, 29-Sep-16 05:08 PM, #65
                                                       Reply RE: Obviously, Kstatida, 29-Sep-16 06:11 PM, #66
                                                            Reply You did it again, vorian, 29-Sep-16 07:17 PM, #67
                                                                 Reply RE: You did it again, Kstatida, 30-Sep-16 06:02 AM, #68
                                                                      Reply My name is Kstatida, vorian, 30-Sep-16 07:34 AM, #69
                                                                           Reply Being someone's muse, I feel accomplished, Kstatida, 30-Sep-16 08:02 AM, #70
Reply RE: Well done Umi !, Sarien, 19-Sep-16 12:53 PM, #41
     Reply RE: Well done Umi !, Kstatida, 19-Sep-16 01:33 PM, #42
     Reply Some food for thought, Destuvius, 19-Sep-16 01:55 PM, #44
     Reply Newbies, low and medium skilled players, vorian, 22-Sep-16 06:18 PM, #51
          Reply Wat? Does that mean I'm a vet now?, Murphy, 22-Sep-16 09:31 PM, #52
          Reply No you're OOP..., vorian, 25-Sep-16 09:55 PM, #59
               Reply I can live with that., Murphy, 25-Sep-16 10:26 PM, #61
          Reply Actually this post is a counter example to itself, KaguMaru, 26-Sep-16 09:47 AM, #62
          Reply Are you saying , vorian, 03-Oct-16 07:08 PM, #71
               Reply It's all the same, Kstatida, 04-Oct-16 01:08 AM, #73
          Reply RE: Newbies, low and medium skilled players, incognito, 26-Sep-16 10:35 AM, #63
               Reply Same as above to KaguMaru, vorian, 03-Oct-16 07:12 PM, #72
Reply I like the changes Umiron made., TMNS, 15-Sep-16 10:39 AM, #18
Reply Edge points from dying?, Marcus_, 14-Sep-16 08:01 PM, #11
Reply Define the degree?, lasentia, 14-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #4
Reply This, Warren, 14-Sep-16 10:35 AM, #5
     Reply Back in the day when you got EP for every 500 explore, Murphy, 14-Sep-16 11:14 AM, #6
          Reply that's an interesting theory, lasentia, 14-Sep-16 12:06 PM, #9
               Reply Tail started to wag the dog., Warren, 14-Sep-16 12:19 PM, #10
               Reply Lol, I wasn't that serious., Murphy, 14-Sep-16 09:00 PM, #12
               Reply In so many ways, this., Jormyr, 14-Sep-16 11:54 PM, #13
               Reply RE: In so many ways, this., Andrlos, 15-Sep-16 01:22 AM, #14
               Reply I've done something similar on a few occasions, Destuvius, 15-Sep-16 05:18 AM, #15
               Reply The instant you make the reward more than flair, lasentia, 15-Sep-16 08:32 AM, #16
                    Reply I wonder why do you play this game, Kstatida, 15-Sep-16 10:39 AM, #19
               Reply Hey welcome back! NT, TMNS, 15-Sep-16 10:36 AM, #17
                    Reply Good to be back., Andrlos, 15-Sep-16 11:58 AM, #20
                         Reply 10 years? ####, I hate myself now :)., TMNS, 22-Sep-16 10:08 PM, #53
                              Reply only 10?, laxman, 22-Sep-16 11:04 PM, #54
                                   Reply You don't remember I used to make fun of you guys for p..., TMNS, 22-Sep-16 11:51 PM, #55
               Reply It was well known that X number of PKs got you edge poi..., -flso, 15-Sep-16 07:02 PM, #22
                    Reply Do you even play CF anymore?, Destuvius, 15-Sep-16 07:49 PM, #23
                    Reply I don't play anymore, -flso, 20-Sep-16 08:24 PM, #48
                    Reply RE: It was well known that X number of PKs got you edge..., Demos, 15-Sep-16 09:13 PM, #24
                         Reply Discussing things doesn't take much time, Kstatida, 16-Sep-16 01:05 AM, #26
                              Reply RE: Discussing things doesn't take much time, Demos, 16-Sep-16 07:42 AM, #27
                                   Reply Oh, Kstatida, 16-Sep-16 08:52 AM, #28
               Reply Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your ass..., -flso, 15-Sep-16 03:30 PM, #21
                    Reply RE: Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your..., Kstatida, 16-Sep-16 08:53 AM, #29
                    Reply He _IS_ the most relentless PKer around, Murphy, 16-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #30
                    Reply RE: Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your..., incognito, 17-Sep-16 02:36 AM, #32
Reply But warren claims it's a good change., Aereglen, 14-Sep-16 10:13 AM, #1
     Reply It is. No doubt IMMS will find a balanced solution, as ..., Warren, 14-Sep-16 10:31 AM, #2
     Reply Don't count on it., Murphy, 14-Sep-16 11:19 AM, #8
     Reply However, the only really bad thing is..., Warren, 14-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #3
          Reply Actually, shapeshifters are the least screwed., Murphy, 14-Sep-16 11:16 AM, #7
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