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TsunamiTue 02-Dec-14 09:51 AM
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#57234, "Invalid"


          

You shouldn't use that term, imo.

>1) This is an invalid argument for a lot of reasons. The
>biggest one is that in the past we had a portion of our imm
>staff wwho made a special point of NOT handing out imm xp for
>various things to particular players due to them having
>already received lots of "imm xp" from role writing. The fact
>that role xp and imm xp are different now will lead to a lot
>of said imms being more liberal in handing out imm xp.

Are those same immortals also going to be providing 24 hour administrative coverage for our Russian brothers? I bet they aren't. Sorry Murph, you are indeed screwed and your argument is valid.

>2) Again, invalid argument. The only advantage you gain in
>following a god as far as edge points go is getting tattooed.
>Just following an imm isn't going to mean you get more imm xp
>or better pks or explore better which are all of the other
>avenues available to you for edge gain.

I take it you have never played a character that didn't follow a god. You have new gods now and maybe you all will make an effort to change this, but lets not pretend like cabaled immortal follower and uncabaled immortal non-follower get anywhere near the same level of attention. Up until this change, that has been fine. We had people to PK and stuff to do to gain edges. Shrinking playerbase and bad changes have changed that.

>3) Invalid argument, see #2.

Invalid invalidity, see #2.

>I think that our players put far too much weight in the impact
>edges make when it comes right down to it. Do they offer a
>lot of cool perks? Yeah, they totally do. Can you pve or pk
>the exact same without edges as you do with them? Not quite,
>but the difference is small enough where it won't have a night
>and day difference. Its kind of like the whole theory of
>NEEDING 100% in skills to be competitive. There are probably
>a handful of times over the life of a character where it
>matters, but at the end of the day player skill/knowledge is
>going to be the biggest deciding factor in 99.9% of
>situations.

I think they put far too much weight on the impact of edges too. Unfortunately, you don't get to go in their brains and tweak the broken parts. Instead, you have to remember that they are human just like you. They probably poop, fart, and eat garbage like everyone else. Try to tailor the game to your players.

  

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HOT Topicrole/imm xp [View all] , ibuki, Tue 02-Dec-14 08:02 PM
Reply Comments, Umiron, 02-Dec-14 06:59 PM, #66
Reply Thanks for your time on this and the insight behind the..., polmier, 02-Dec-14 11:27 PM, #74
Reply Thanks for the clarifying post, lasentia, 03-Dec-14 10:48 AM, #78
Reply I may get lynched, but since Imm exp will be more impor..., Quixotic, 03-Jan-15 01:23 PM, #80
     Reply No. (nt), Umiron, 03-Jan-15 01:38 PM, #81
     Reply did you get my Christmas card big guy? ;-), Quixotic, 03-Jan-15 03:28 PM, #82
          Reply All you had to do was say you had a system in place, Quixotic, 03-Jan-15 04:48 PM, #83
               Reply RE: All you had to do was say you had a system in place, Straklaw, 03-Jan-15 09:34 PM, #84
     Reply Because we love you, Quix:, Rayihn, 04-Jan-15 07:22 PM, #85
Reply A few points., Mendos, 02-Dec-14 01:43 PM, #49
Reply Great post, but I have some followup commentary., Sarien, 02-Dec-14 02:19 PM, #50
Reply RE: Great post, but I have some followup commentary., Mendos, 02-Dec-14 07:24 PM, #68
Reply RE: A few points., N b M, 02-Dec-14 02:34 PM, #52
Reply Yeah, basically this., Calion, 02-Dec-14 03:20 PM, #57
Reply RE: A few points., Mendos, 02-Dec-14 07:39 PM, #69
Reply By the way.., Mendos, 03-Dec-14 03:43 AM, #75
Reply Speaking as someone who'd maintained a MUD, Murphy, 02-Dec-14 03:05 PM, #55
Reply RE: Speaking as someone who'd maintained a MUD, Mendos, 02-Dec-14 07:44 PM, #67
     Reply I KNOW you're not trying to be bad guys., Murphy, 03-Dec-14 06:07 AM, #76
          Reply It hasn't been ignored., Mendos, 03-Dec-14 10:13 AM, #77
Reply Wholesale speculation..., Tac, 02-Dec-14 04:25 PM, #58
Reply RE: Wholesale speculation..., Mendos, 02-Dec-14 07:46 PM, #65
Reply RE: A few points., Bemused, 02-Dec-14 04:46 PM, #59
Reply RE: A few points., Mendos, 02-Dec-14 06:43 PM, #63
Reply Excellent Points, polmier, 02-Dec-14 06:09 PM, #60
Reply Eh I mean., Mendos, 02-Dec-14 06:23 PM, #62
Reply Shifter question, Pendragon_Surtr, 02-Dec-14 04:35 PM, #70
     Reply Check Santa Umi., Mendos, 02-Dec-14 06:47 PM, #64
          Reply Thanks Mendos, Pendragon_Surtr, 02-Dec-14 08:02 PM, #71
               Reply No problem., Mendos, 02-Dec-14 08:05 PM, #72
Reply Feedback, Tsunami, 02-Dec-14 09:45 AM, #44
Reply I can't decide whether to quit or, Pendragon_Surtr, 01-Dec-14 07:24 PM, #28
Reply Tears are falling fast, Artificial, 02-Dec-14 09:24 AM, #42
     Reply If you're in a cabal and someone bothers to take your i..., Murphy, 02-Dec-14 09:33 AM, #43
     Reply hah, 90 hours played...., Sarien, 02-Dec-14 09:52 AM, #46
          Reply Maybe don't play on the winning team. nt, Artificial, 02-Dec-14 09:58 AM, #47
          Reply As if!, Sarien, 02-Dec-14 02:21 PM, #51
               Reply If you really wanted an internet, Artificial, 02-Dec-14 02:45 PM, #53
                    Reply I probably just lost an internet..., Sarien, 02-Dec-14 03:00 PM, #54
                         Reply Its somewhere in here. Can't hear sound at work., Artificial, 02-Dec-14 03:17 PM, #56
                              Reply Here it is., Artificial, 02-Dec-14 09:50 PM, #73
          Reply This depends on luck, Murphy, 02-Dec-14 10:00 AM, #48
Reply i don't understand the general tone of changes lately., Athioles, 01-Dec-14 07:04 PM, #26
Reply Few things, incognito, 02-Dec-14 07:59 AM, #38
Reply Players are funny., lasentia, 01-Dec-14 02:59 PM, #19
Reply actually it empowers PK oriented players, laxman, 01-Dec-14 03:16 PM, #20
Reply RE: Players are funny., Elerosse, 01-Dec-14 03:39 PM, #21
Reply Some counters, just to consider., lasentia, 01-Dec-14 04:20 PM, #22
     Reply Counter counters?, Tac, 01-Dec-14 04:49 PM, #23
Reply Those who bitched, Murphy, 01-Dec-14 05:14 PM, #24
Reply Re: Imm Favoratism, Nythos (Anonymous), 01-Dec-14 06:50 PM, #25
Reply I like this change, Treebeard, 01-Dec-14 11:30 AM, #14
Reply I too would love the 1 per every 10 levels method, with..., Sarien, 01-Dec-14 11:40 AM, #16
     Reply I see what you're saying, and I think it comes down to ..., Treebeard, 01-Dec-14 11:50 AM, #17
          Reply I like getting my edges via PK personally, Sarien, 01-Dec-14 12:29 PM, #18
Reply I almost always agree with the Imms but even I do not u..., polmier, 01-Dec-14 11:21 AM, #13
Reply umm, incognito, 01-Dec-14 11:15 AM, #12
Reply I do not like this change. Nor do I understand the des..., Tac, 01-Dec-14 10:56 AM, #9
Reply RE: role/imm xp, Bemused, 01-Dec-14 08:49 AM, #6
Reply Are the caps for observation, exploration, and commerce..., Elerosse, 01-Dec-14 07:49 AM, #3
Reply The caps are the same., Umiron, 01-Dec-14 08:19 AM, #4
     Reply RE: The caps are the same., Elerosse, 01-Dec-14 10:35 AM, #8
Reply Re: Imm XP Requirements, Umiron, 01-Dec-14 07:40 AM, #2
Reply Please explain the 'good' reason behind these requireme..., Sarien, 01-Dec-14 08:26 AM, #5
     Reply It basically just makes the game more grind and less fu..., Lhydia, 01-Dec-14 09:42 AM, #7
     Reply This.., Elerosse, 01-Dec-14 10:59 AM, #10
     Reply RE: This.., Hutto, 01-Dec-14 11:39 AM, #15
          Reply I didn't even think of commerce xp., Athioles, 01-Dec-14 07:19 PM, #27
               Reply Stop trying to game the system, incognito, 02-Dec-14 08:04 AM, #39
     Reply RE: It basically just makes the game more grind and les..., Akresius, 01-Dec-14 08:12 PM, #29
          Reply Sweet. Thanks. n/t, Lhydia, 01-Dec-14 08:21 PM, #30
          Reply I'd be pretty OK with this change if there were now oth..., TJHuron, 01-Dec-14 08:34 PM, #31
          Reply RE: I'd be pretty OK with this change if there were now..., Akresius, 01-Dec-14 09:01 PM, #32
               Reply Are you comfortable with the idea that it, Murphy, 02-Dec-14 05:38 AM, #33
                    Reply RE: Are you comfortable with the idea that it, Destuvius, 02-Dec-14 06:15 AM, #
                    Reply There is a bigger..unmentioned issue underlying this al..., Sarien, 02-Dec-14 07:53 AM, #36
                    Reply Counterpoints, incognito, 02-Dec-14 08:10 AM, #41
                    Reply Invalid, Tsunami, 02-Dec-14 09:51 AM #45
                    Reply Good points. nt, polmier, 02-Dec-14 06:11 PM, #61
                    Reply RE: Are you comfortable with the idea that it, Destuvius, 02-Dec-14 06:15 AM, #34
                    Reply I guess I play those builds that rely on edges to work ..., Murphy, 02-Dec-14 06:51 AM, #35
                         Reply I agree 100% dude., Sarien, 02-Dec-14 07:59 AM, #37
                    Reply Beware imm exp farming, incognito, 02-Dec-14 08:07 AM, #40
          Reply I quadrupled my xpadds in December., Akresius, 01-Jan-15 11:20 AM, #79
     Reply Not a good change., xrus, 01-Dec-14 11:12 AM, #11
Reply Also emote for familiars and emote in form. n/t, Shifter/Conjie (Anonymous), 01-Dec-14 07:00 AM, #1
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