>>- The "sweet spot" size you say they are at isn't really
>sweet
>>at all. Sure they can shrink/enlarge, but so can non-rager
>>giants. The ensuing bash-down by a giant sword spec would be
>>brutal.
>
>Again, if you're getting bashed, you're doing it wrong. If
>you're that worried about bash, either get the wraithform prep
>or friends or don't fight - what a concept! I assure you there
>are a lot of other classes out there that don't bash. Nor
>would you care if some idiot is bashing you when you have 100
>charges - he's impaling himself on you. I said the best, not
>the easiest.

Bash has killed more APs than probably all other skills combined. It's incredibly dangerous. A maran storm sword will give you a run for your money every single time you aren't fully prepped, and that's nothing to say of other people coming along. Not being giant-sized is a significant liability.

>
>>- Until they reach critical mass (and who really knows how
>>many charges that might be with a felar - it's uncharted
>>territory), there are many, many things that should be able
>to
>>beat one fairly easy imho.
>
>I had a pretty high amount on my felar and I was already
>starting to get there but it ended tragically. When you're
>hitting for ***DEMO/OBLIT with claw hits, you'll see how
>quickly it could become strong. I never said it was easy...

That's why felar AP's are not popular - survivability is everything, and detect hidden or weapon resist/giant size are worth way more than a couple nouns of damage.
>
>>- A felar AP can't use an orb of travel if they are using a
>>spear (and I am pretty damn sure you'd want to use a spear
>or
>>other 2-handed weapon), and it's a lifesaver in so many
>>situations that people will engineer to bring down an AP.
>
>Have you read my FAQ? I know this better than probably
>anyone. You can always excision a wand, invoke a strange opal,
>bring friends, don't fight in dumb places, etc. Being an AP is
>all about knowing when to fight. Any AP can die, orb or not if
>you don't play well and get lucky.

You don't mention that probably any serious felar AP will want to use a one handed weapon most of the time for reasons like this, and will probably spend a decent amount of time leeching between weapons. A spear is really good, but also a serious liability.


>
>>- Bards will theoretically rip you a new one. You won't be
>>able to lag them. If they have semi-decent saves, good luck
>>with deafen. And, if it lands, they will just run. If they
>>fiend you, you're pretty screwed.
>
>Fiends aren't that bad as a felar. There are a lot of uber
>gears that can easily give you a ton of -mental saves, plus
>there's always resist mental preps. With haste, claw+weapon
>attacks, ABS, etc fiends weren't an issue. Fiends eat up
>unprepared people or villagers.

I agree here at least, fire/duergar have it worse and that's what it's being compared to.
>
>>To sum it all up, I predict a huge let down from this build.
>I
>>think it has _potential_ in the way that everything has
>>potential under the perfect circumstances. Feel free to try,
>>but don't be pissed if it doesn't go at all the way you
>>imagine it will. I believe bash will be your #1 enemy, and
>>Ragers will eat you alive. Rager bards even moreso.
>>Additionally, you aren't going to have an easy time keeping
>>anyone in combat. You'll have to do some extremely tedious
>>prep-juggling due to your weight-carry restrictions from
>being
>>so pathetically weak. So, lots of running around, lots of
>near
>>kills without sealing them, and lots of bashdown deaths.
>>Sounds fun.
>
>Until you get an AP with 150+ charges, you don't have much
>experience to stand on. Not trying to be mean here, but this
>build was never suggested for people who think unability to
>bash will be a problem. I assure you, plenty of APs do not
>just bash people down. All your arguments are even more
>slanted against drows and yet they have been some of the
>strongest APs - and now felars have their sleep capability
>*and* insane combat with better bonuses/stats/etc.
>
>It's not easy but it has the potential to easily be the best.
>100+ charges on a fire giant vs felar, I'd take the felar
>every time.

Torak, the great AP player. 150 charges from a leech and 10 failed AP's who all sport the same ####ty weapon. I like the idea that someone who grinded up 50 charges "doesn't have much experience to stand on", unless you somehow got a lucky leech for 100 more.