Vortex Magus | Mon 19-Apr-10 03:31 PM |
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#31978, "Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions"
Edited on Mon 19-Apr-10 03:41 PM
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First, shinies. Best shinies, hands down, are available to heroes. Getting shinies at lower levels generally involved following heroes around and jacking from their corpses. However, this comes with its own stigma, and players like me think its really lame if thats all my character really does. I've noticed that when my characters get access to more powerful gear early on, I'm more prone to go explore or pk with him before hero. If my guy is still using ragesteel, skull rings, and charred bracers at level 40, I figure I might as well hit hero in order to grab the best gear possible, rather than waste my time gathering shinies that I'll end up replacing later anyway, or pking at a disadvantage versus full hero sets.
I think creating powerful limited items that become significantly less effective at hero would be a good way to remedy the situation. You could also use these items to remedy extreme imbalances, rather than tweaking the nature of the classes themselves.
For example, a pair of magical boots which allow elf/dark elf thieves under level 40 to reflect deathblows, but crumble when worn by someone past level 40. No big balance killer, just something which makes playing a gimped class like elf thief more bearable in the middle ranks.
Or a prep which you eat that nullifies the first bash that hits you and returns ice damage. However, the second and third bashes will hit and their effects will not be nullified. This sort of thing would help nullify the giant powerbasher combos, and encourage more mages and bards and people who are really vulnerable to bash to stick around, as they might actually have a chance versus that stuff.
Things like that which make me think I have a fighting chance~
Second, cabal balance. Certain cabals are significantly, significantly stronger at lower levels than others, which don't reach their peak until hero.
Tribunal, Outlander, Battle, and Nexus have significant powers at lower levels. If you make a chart of some of the best lowbie pkers in the game, I'd suggest that of the caballed ones, the majority of them skew towards outlander and battle.
Tribunal and Nexus can still both contribute significantly at lower levels, though their powers are less dangerous in pk. But you can still explore very well with nexus powers, for example.
Scion and Empire have decent powers at lower levels, but really their powers generally don't reach the peak until hero. However, with so many enemies they generally have a more difficult time leveling than other cabals, so they can take awhile to hit hero anyway.
Fortress powers are just trash at low levels, and promotion is based on imm approval. Thus, fort characters have a huge incentive to charge straight to hero, as Imms generally snoop long-lasting hero characters more than lowbie-midbie characters (for good reason!). Thus, you're much more likely to be promoted and given access to powers that aren't such trash at hero. There do exist cases of midbie maran/acolyte, but those are generally given to exceptional players. Its hard to justify maraning a good midbie whose at level 38 with 80 hours, when you have a bunch of hero squires who aren't quite as good, but have heart and have waited much longer and tried just as hard.
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Random topic of discussion: Midlevels
[View all] , Daevryn, Tue 18-May-10 08:27 PM
Thread locked for sprawl. Please start sub-topics. (n/...,
Valguarnera,
20-May-10 05:37 AM, #177
Low level limited badassery items.,
Straklaw,
18-May-10 05:35 PM, #162
Just a thought:,
Marcus_,
17-May-10 12:43 PM, #154
RE: Just a thought:,
Daevryn,
17-May-10 02:09 PM, #163
I actually like Marcus' idea.,
sleepy,
17-May-10 02:42 PM, #155
Hello from Hollywood.,
Pro,
18-May-10 01:31 AM, #156
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Fjarn,
19-May-10 10:08 AM, #166
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-May-10 10:23 AM, #168
Definitely,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 10:35 AM, #169
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Isildur,
19-May-10 12:38 PM, #170
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 12:56 PM, #171
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Isildur,
19-May-10 01:25 PM, #172
Meh,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 03:03 PM, #173
RE: Meh,
Isildur,
19-May-10 03:09 PM, #174
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-May-10 03:11 PM, #175
RE: Just a thought:,
ORB,
18-May-10 08:37 AM, #157
As a total train whore,
Valkenar,
18-May-10 09:29 AM, #158
Cosign.,
Dervish,
18-May-10 11:13 AM, #160
RE: As a total train whore,
Isildur,
18-May-10 04:10 PM, #161
Con trains,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 08:00 AM, #165
RE: Just a thought:,
Hutto,
18-May-10 10:57 AM, #159
RE: Just a thought:,
Fjarn,
19-May-10 10:12 AM, #167
Maybe,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 08:34 PM, #176
Using Marcus' idea but,
Abernyte,
19-May-10 06:19 AM, #164
Now that this has cooked for a while,
Mekantos,
06-May-10 12:51 PM, #144
RE: Now that this has cooked for a while,
Daevryn,
06-May-10 12:53 PM, #145
FYI, this is up on Announcements now (n/t),
Daevryn,
12-May-10 02:27 PM, #153
An imm question related to this topic,
Habbs,
04-May-10 01:06 PM, #138
Mostly no:,
Daevryn,
04-May-10 01:26 PM, #139
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Straklaw,
26-Apr-10 04:00 AM, #136
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Tyrjal,
25-Apr-10 07:13 PM, #135
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Tsunami,
24-Apr-10 12:30 PM, #132
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Doge,
23-Apr-10 09:49 PM, #130
There used to be no xp cap.,
trewyn,
23-Apr-10 10:55 PM, #131
THE XP DYING PENALTY PLEASE,
dribbit,
24-Apr-10 08:49 PM, #133
If you can't find your way out of a strange area, quaff...,
DurNominator,
24-Apr-10 11:41 PM, #134
RE: There used to be no xp cap.,
Doge,
26-Apr-10 02:23 PM, #137
But the good thing about seeing -34% tnl,
Pendragon_Surtr,
06-May-10 03:19 AM, #141
For me, there is always a tickle in the back of my head...,
Habbs,
23-Apr-10 11:48 AM, #129
Adjust XP penalties, adjust ranking areas, adjust where,
Amortis,
22-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #125
re: expanded where,
Quixotic,
22-Apr-10 12:34 PM, #127
Spell Power Vs. Enhanced Damage,
Seilclavin,
20-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #115
RE: Gear-based Spell Idea,
Quixotic,
20-Apr-10 11:52 AM, #119
RE: Gear-based Spell Idea,
Daevryn,
20-Apr-10 12:23 PM, #120
You overlooked,
Quixotic,
20-Apr-10 12:35 PM, #121
RE: Gear-based Spell Idea,
The Heretic,
07-May-10 09:21 AM, #146
Best way to equalize mages and melee,
Doof,
21-Apr-10 11:55 AM, #124
RE: Best way to equalize mages and melee,
wjdenny,
05-May-10 02:16 PM, #140
I haven't read the rest of the posts, but I like mid le...,
Cointreau,
20-Apr-10 03:42 AM, #109
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Asthiss,
20-Apr-10 02:40 AM, #108
I disagree.,
Eskelian,
20-Apr-10 09:14 AM, #113
RE: I disagree.,
Asthiss,
21-Apr-10 02:18 AM, #123
RE: My Experience,
Tac,
19-Apr-10 07:50 PM, #102
Actually I do have one suggestion....,
Tac,
19-Apr-10 08:00 PM, #103
I like these suggestions a lot.,
ibuki,
20-Apr-10 05:11 AM, #111
Another random thought.... re: scrolls,
Tac,
20-Apr-10 02:56 PM, #122
My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:,
Valguarnera,
19-Apr-10 06:58 PM, #99
Good post.,
Zephon,
19-Apr-10 09:22 PM, #105
I pretty much agree with all of this,
Drag0nSt0rm,
19-Apr-10 10:51 PM, #106
Shout-out to the IMM staff within.,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 11:03 PM, #107
These are great observations. nt,
GinGa,
20-Apr-10 03:47 AM, #110
RE: My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:,
Cerunnir,
20-Apr-10 08:11 AM, #112
Not to me,
trewyn,
20-Apr-10 09:13 AM, #114
RE: Not to me,
Daevryn,
20-Apr-10 09:55 AM, #116
She did on Dio's.,
Dervish,
20-Apr-10 10:41 AM, #118
RE: Not to me,
Cerunnir,
20-Apr-10 10:22 AM, #117
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
GrahamC,
19-Apr-10 05:50 PM, #93
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 06:16 PM, #96
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Isildur,
19-Apr-10 05:37 PM, #91
do it once do it twice,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 06:12 PM, #95
Its the luck factor...,
Elerosse,
19-Apr-10 06:29 PM, #97
Perception is a killer,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 04:41 PM, #84
Holy crap Mulshine, I totally agree with you for once!,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 04:43 PM, #85
RE: Perception is a killer,
Eskelian,
19-Apr-10 05:34 PM, #90
Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better.,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 04:10 PM, #76
RE: Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better.,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:13 PM, #77
RE: Equipment,
vargal,
19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #79
I disagree on mage/melee,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #80
I agree with this.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 04:54 PM, #86
RE: I disagree on mage/melee,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 05:09 PM, #88
again when did you see one try,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 06:07 PM, #94
RE: again when did you see one try,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 06:33 PM, #98
A batch of thoughts,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 03:54 PM, #70
Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions,
Vortex Magus,
19-Apr-10 03:41 PM #69
RE: Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:08 PM, #74
Damage scaling, Con gains, and skills,
Valkenar,
19-Apr-10 02:15 PM, #55
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Eskelian,
19-Apr-10 01:01 PM, #37
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:09 PM, #42
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:13 PM, #43
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:19 PM, #47
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:33 PM, #50
Bards certainly are weak,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 02:26 PM, #60
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 01:23 PM, #48
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:28 PM, #49
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 01:42 PM, #52
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:12 PM, #58
Here we go,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 01:46 PM, #53
RE: Here we go,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #56
Thoughts + ideas.,
Cerunnir,
19-Apr-10 03:04 PM, #59
Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 02:31 PM, #61
RE: Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #63
I cant resist to quote you,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 03:01 PM, #65
RE: I cant resist to quote you,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 03:21 PM, #67
Tell their names at least? nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 04:18 PM, #78
RE: Tell their names at least? nt,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #82
I beat down people with my four path invoker...,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #83
Well,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 04:59 PM, #87
RE: Well,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 07:10 PM, #100
RE: Here we go,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #62
RE: Here we go,
Cerunnir,
19-Apr-10 03:16 PM, #66
RE: Here we go,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 03:56 PM, #72
RE: Here we go,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 05:12 PM, #89
Urden, Jahfenar, Ilrahsek, Ikanu.,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 05:39 PM, #92
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Eskelian,
19-Apr-10 02:17 PM, #54
Things that would make me stay in the mid levels,
Drag0nSt0rm,
19-Apr-10 12:55 PM, #35
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Beroxxus,
19-Apr-10 12:54 PM, #34
Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
trewyn,
19-Apr-10 12:48 PM, #31
Cosign on first and last suggestions nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 12:51 PM, #33
I agree with all of these ideas. 110% nt,
Drag0nSt0rm,
19-Apr-10 12:57 PM, #36
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:05 PM, #40
Explore early and move is never a problem.,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 01:14 PM, #44
Except,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 01:40 PM, #51
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 01:15 PM, #45
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
GrahamC,
19-Apr-10 02:55 PM, #64
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 03:24 PM, #68
<== is king of that.,
trewyn,
19-Apr-10 07:32 PM, #101
Ragers do get ####ed. But that's part of being a rager...,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 09:07 PM, #104
RE: movement regen,
Zulghinlour,
19-Apr-10 03:59 PM, #73
RE: movement regen,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:09 PM, #75
RE: movement regen,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #81
RE: movement regen,
Isildur,
14-May-10 11:29 AM, #151
RE: movement regen,
Hutto,
13-May-10 05:00 PM, #147
RE: movement regen,
Isildur,
14-May-10 11:19 AM, #150
This isn't a possitive but...,
Pro,
19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #22
I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the game i...,
Pro,
19-Apr-10 12:01 PM, #23
RE: I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the ga...,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:17 PM, #46
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #21
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:31 PM, #29
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:06 PM, #41
Damn your logic.,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #57
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Gryshilniar,
06-May-10 12:09 PM, #142
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
06-May-10 12:50 PM, #143
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
A2,
13-May-10 11:45 PM, #148
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
14-May-10 09:00 AM, #149
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
A2,
14-May-10 11:33 AM, #152
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
TJHuron,
19-Apr-10 11:49 AM, #20
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:28 PM, #27
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
TJHuron,
19-Apr-10 01:03 PM, #39
Ideas,
Quixotic,
19-Apr-10 11:18 AM, #12
RE: Ideas,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 11:28 AM, #16
RE: Heralds,
Quixotic,
19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #25
RE: Heralds,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 12:49 PM, #32
RE: Heralds,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 03:53 PM, #71
RE: Ideas,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 11:31 AM, #17
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 11:08 AM, #10
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 11:42 AM, #13
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
22-Apr-10 10:10 AM, #126
Con Loss.,
Pro,
22-Apr-10 01:57 PM, #128
Off the cuff.,
Dallevian,
19-Apr-10 10:55 AM, #8
Last thing would be great to help newbies nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 11:27 AM, #15
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
ORB,
19-Apr-10 10:48 AM, #7
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 10:56 AM, #9
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 11:16 AM, #11
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 11:26 AM, #14
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 11:37 AM, #18
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #24
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:00 PM, #38
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 11:43 AM, #19
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:26 PM, #26
Yes, I agree with you. I just pointed out two cases I e...,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 12:29 PM, #28
Fair enough n/t,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:33 PM, #30
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 10:30 AM, #3
Nothing.,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 10:30 AM, #2
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
34-inside,
19-Apr-10 10:20 AM, #1
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 10:34 AM, #4
Dunno, I never had big problems finding a group,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 10:38 AM, #5
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
34-inside,
19-Apr-10 10:39 AM, #6
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