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#31978, "Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions"
Edited on Mon 19-Apr-10 03:41 PM

          

First, shinies. Best shinies, hands down, are available to heroes. Getting shinies at lower levels generally involved following heroes around and jacking from their corpses. However, this comes with its own stigma, and players like me think its really lame if thats all my character really does. I've noticed that when my characters get access to more powerful gear early on, I'm more prone to go explore or pk with him before hero. If my guy is still using ragesteel, skull rings, and charred bracers at level 40, I figure I might as well hit hero in order to grab the best gear possible, rather than waste my time gathering shinies that I'll end up replacing later anyway, or pking at a disadvantage versus full hero sets.

I think creating powerful limited items that become significantly less effective at hero would be a good way to remedy the situation. You could also use these items to remedy extreme imbalances, rather than tweaking the nature of the classes themselves.

For example, a pair of magical boots which allow elf/dark elf thieves under level 40 to reflect deathblows, but crumble when worn by someone past level 40. No big balance killer, just something which makes playing a gimped class like elf thief more bearable in the middle ranks.

Or a prep which you eat that nullifies the first bash that hits you and returns ice damage. However, the second and third bashes will hit and their effects will not be nullified. This sort of thing would help nullify the giant powerbasher combos, and encourage more mages and bards and people who are really vulnerable to bash to stick around, as they might actually have a chance versus that stuff.

Things like that which make me think I have a fighting chance~

Second, cabal balance. Certain cabals are significantly, significantly stronger at lower levels than others, which don't reach their peak until hero.

Tribunal, Outlander, Battle, and Nexus have significant powers at lower levels. If you make a chart of some of the best lowbie pkers in the game, I'd suggest that of the caballed ones, the majority of them skew towards outlander and battle.

Tribunal and Nexus can still both contribute significantly at lower levels, though their powers are less dangerous in pk. But you can still explore very well with nexus powers, for example.

Scion and Empire have decent powers at lower levels, but really their powers generally don't reach the peak until hero. However, with so many enemies they generally have a more difficult time leveling than other cabals, so they can take awhile to hit hero anyway.

Fortress powers are just trash at low levels, and promotion is based on imm approval. Thus, fort characters have a huge incentive to charge straight to hero, as Imms generally snoop long-lasting hero characters more than lowbie-midbie characters (for good reason!). Thus, you're much more likely to be promoted and given access to powers that aren't such trash at hero. There do exist cases of midbie maran/acolyte, but those are generally given to exceptional players. Its hard to justify maraning a good midbie whose at level 38 with 80 hours, when you have a bunch of hero squires who aren't quite as good, but have heart and have waited much longer and tried just as hard.

  

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HOT Locked TopicRandom topic of discussion: Midlevels [View all] , Daevryn, Tue 18-May-10 08:27 PM
Reply Thread locked for sprawl. Please start sub-topics. (n/..., Valguarnera, 20-May-10 05:37 AM, #177
Reply Low level limited badassery items., Straklaw, 18-May-10 05:35 PM, #162
Reply Just a thought:, Marcus_, 17-May-10 12:43 PM, #154
Reply RE: Just a thought:, Daevryn, 17-May-10 02:09 PM, #163
     Reply I actually like Marcus' idea., sleepy, 17-May-10 02:42 PM, #155
     Reply Hello from Hollywood., Pro, 18-May-10 01:31 AM, #156
     Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Fjarn, 19-May-10 10:08 AM, #166
          Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-May-10 10:23 AM, #168
               Reply Definitely, Valkenar, 19-May-10 10:35 AM, #169
               Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Isildur, 19-May-10 12:38 PM, #170
                    Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Valkenar, 19-May-10 12:56 PM, #171
                    Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Isildur, 19-May-10 01:25 PM, #172
                         Reply Meh, Valkenar, 19-May-10 03:03 PM, #173
                              Reply RE: Meh, Isildur, 19-May-10 03:09 PM, #174
                    Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-May-10 03:11 PM, #175
     Reply RE: Just a thought:, ORB, 18-May-10 08:37 AM, #157
     Reply As a total train whore, Valkenar, 18-May-10 09:29 AM, #158
     Reply Cosign., Dervish, 18-May-10 11:13 AM, #160
     Reply RE: As a total train whore, Isildur, 18-May-10 04:10 PM, #161
          Reply Con trains, Valkenar, 19-May-10 08:00 AM, #165
     Reply RE: Just a thought:, Hutto, 18-May-10 10:57 AM, #159
     Reply RE: Just a thought:, Fjarn, 19-May-10 10:12 AM, #167
          Reply Maybe, Valkenar, 19-May-10 08:34 PM, #176
     Reply Using Marcus' idea but, Abernyte, 19-May-10 06:19 AM, #164
Reply Now that this has cooked for a while, Mekantos, 06-May-10 12:51 PM, #144
Reply RE: Now that this has cooked for a while, Daevryn, 06-May-10 12:53 PM, #145
     Reply FYI, this is up on Announcements now (n/t), Daevryn, 12-May-10 02:27 PM, #153
Reply An imm question related to this topic, Habbs, 04-May-10 01:06 PM, #138
Reply Mostly no:, Daevryn, 04-May-10 01:26 PM, #139
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Straklaw, 26-Apr-10 04:00 AM, #136
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Tyrjal, 25-Apr-10 07:13 PM, #135
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Tsunami, 24-Apr-10 12:30 PM, #132
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Doge, 23-Apr-10 09:49 PM, #130
Reply There used to be no xp cap., trewyn, 23-Apr-10 10:55 PM, #131
     Reply THE XP DYING PENALTY PLEASE, dribbit, 24-Apr-10 08:49 PM, #133
     Reply If you can't find your way out of a strange area, quaff..., DurNominator, 24-Apr-10 11:41 PM, #134
     Reply RE: There used to be no xp cap., Doge, 26-Apr-10 02:23 PM, #137
          Reply But the good thing about seeing -34% tnl, Pendragon_Surtr, 06-May-10 03:19 AM, #141
Reply For me, there is always a tickle in the back of my head..., Habbs, 23-Apr-10 11:48 AM, #129
Reply Adjust XP penalties, adjust ranking areas, adjust where, Amortis, 22-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #125
Reply re: expanded where, Quixotic, 22-Apr-10 12:34 PM, #127
Reply Spell Power Vs. Enhanced Damage, Seilclavin, 20-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #115
Reply RE: Gear-based Spell Idea, Quixotic, 20-Apr-10 11:52 AM, #119
Reply RE: Gear-based Spell Idea, Daevryn, 20-Apr-10 12:23 PM, #120
     Reply You overlooked, Quixotic, 20-Apr-10 12:35 PM, #121
     Reply RE: Gear-based Spell Idea, The Heretic, 07-May-10 09:21 AM, #146
Reply Best way to equalize mages and melee, Doof, 21-Apr-10 11:55 AM, #124
     Reply RE: Best way to equalize mages and melee, wjdenny, 05-May-10 02:16 PM, #140
Reply I haven't read the rest of the posts, but I like mid le..., Cointreau, 20-Apr-10 03:42 AM, #109
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Asthiss, 20-Apr-10 02:40 AM, #108
Reply I disagree., Eskelian, 20-Apr-10 09:14 AM, #113
     Reply RE: I disagree., Asthiss, 21-Apr-10 02:18 AM, #123
Reply RE: My Experience, Tac, 19-Apr-10 07:50 PM, #102
Reply Actually I do have one suggestion...., Tac, 19-Apr-10 08:00 PM, #103
Reply I like these suggestions a lot., ibuki, 20-Apr-10 05:11 AM, #111
Reply Another random thought.... re: scrolls, Tac, 20-Apr-10 02:56 PM, #122
Reply My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:, Valguarnera, 19-Apr-10 06:58 PM, #99
Reply Good post., Zephon, 19-Apr-10 09:22 PM, #105
Reply I pretty much agree with all of this, Drag0nSt0rm, 19-Apr-10 10:51 PM, #106
Reply Shout-out to the IMM staff within., TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 11:03 PM, #107
Reply These are great observations. nt, GinGa, 20-Apr-10 03:47 AM, #110
Reply RE: My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:, Cerunnir, 20-Apr-10 08:11 AM, #112
     Reply Not to me, trewyn, 20-Apr-10 09:13 AM, #114
          Reply RE: Not to me, Daevryn, 20-Apr-10 09:55 AM, #116
          Reply She did on Dio's., Dervish, 20-Apr-10 10:41 AM, #118
          Reply RE: Not to me, Cerunnir, 20-Apr-10 10:22 AM, #117
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, GrahamC, 19-Apr-10 05:50 PM, #93
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, laxman, 19-Apr-10 06:16 PM, #96
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Isildur, 19-Apr-10 05:37 PM, #91
Reply do it once do it twice, laxman, 19-Apr-10 06:12 PM, #95
     Reply Its the luck factor..., Elerosse, 19-Apr-10 06:29 PM, #97
Reply Perception is a killer, laxman, 19-Apr-10 04:41 PM, #84
Reply Holy crap Mulshine, I totally agree with you for once!, TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 04:43 PM, #85
Reply RE: Perception is a killer, Eskelian, 19-Apr-10 05:34 PM, #90
Reply Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better., Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 04:10 PM, #76
Reply RE: Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better., Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:13 PM, #77
Reply RE: Equipment, vargal, 19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #79
Reply I disagree on mage/melee, laxman, 19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #80
     Reply I agree with this., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 04:54 PM, #86
     Reply RE: I disagree on mage/melee, Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 05:09 PM, #88
          Reply again when did you see one try, laxman, 19-Apr-10 06:07 PM, #94
               Reply RE: again when did you see one try, Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 06:33 PM, #98
Reply A batch of thoughts, Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 03:54 PM, #70
Reply Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions, Vortex Magus, 19-Apr-10 03:41 PM #69
Reply RE: Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:08 PM, #74
Reply Damage scaling, Con gains, and skills, Valkenar, 19-Apr-10 02:15 PM, #55
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Eskelian, 19-Apr-10 01:01 PM, #37
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:09 PM, #42
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:13 PM, #43
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:19 PM, #47
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:33 PM, #50
     Reply Bards certainly are weak, thendrell, 19-Apr-10 02:26 PM, #60
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 01:23 PM, #48
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:28 PM, #49
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 01:42 PM, #52
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:12 PM, #58
     Reply Here we go, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 01:46 PM, #53
     Reply RE: Here we go, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #56
          Reply Thoughts + ideas., Cerunnir, 19-Apr-10 03:04 PM, #59
               Reply Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 02:31 PM, #61
               Reply RE: Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #63
                    Reply I cant resist to quote you, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 03:01 PM, #65
                         Reply RE: I cant resist to quote you, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 03:21 PM, #67
                              Reply Tell their names at least? nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 04:18 PM, #78
                                   Reply RE: Tell their names at least? nt, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #82
                                   Reply I beat down people with my four path invoker..., TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #83
                                        Reply Well, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 04:59 PM, #87
                                             Reply RE: Well, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 07:10 PM, #100
               Reply RE: Here we go, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #62
                    Reply RE: Here we go, Cerunnir, 19-Apr-10 03:16 PM, #66
                    Reply RE: Here we go, Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 03:56 PM, #72
                         Reply RE: Here we go, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 05:12 PM, #89
                              Reply Urden, Jahfenar, Ilrahsek, Ikanu., Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 05:39 PM, #92
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Eskelian, 19-Apr-10 02:17 PM, #54
Reply Things that would make me stay in the mid levels, Drag0nSt0rm, 19-Apr-10 12:55 PM, #35
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Beroxxus, 19-Apr-10 12:54 PM, #34
Reply Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, trewyn, 19-Apr-10 12:48 PM, #31
Reply Cosign on first and last suggestions nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 12:51 PM, #33
Reply I agree with all of these ideas. 110% nt, Drag0nSt0rm, 19-Apr-10 12:57 PM, #36
Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:05 PM, #40
Reply Explore early and move is never a problem., thendrell, 19-Apr-10 01:14 PM, #44
Reply Except, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 01:40 PM, #51
Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 01:15 PM, #45
Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, GrahamC, 19-Apr-10 02:55 PM, #64
     Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 03:24 PM, #68
          Reply <== is king of that., trewyn, 19-Apr-10 07:32 PM, #101
               Reply Ragers do get ####ed. But that's part of being a rager..., TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 09:07 PM, #104
Reply RE: movement regen, Zulghinlour, 19-Apr-10 03:59 PM, #73
     Reply RE: movement regen, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:09 PM, #75
     Reply RE: movement regen, Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #81
     Reply RE: movement regen, Isildur, 14-May-10 11:29 AM, #151
     Reply RE: movement regen, Hutto, 13-May-10 05:00 PM, #147
          Reply RE: movement regen, Isildur, 14-May-10 11:19 AM, #150
Reply This isn't a possitive but..., Pro, 19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #22
Reply I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the game i..., Pro, 19-Apr-10 12:01 PM, #23
     Reply RE: I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the ga..., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:17 PM, #46
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, thendrell, 19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #21
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:31 PM, #29
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:06 PM, #41
     Reply Damn your logic., thendrell, 19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #57
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Gryshilniar, 06-May-10 12:09 PM, #142
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 06-May-10 12:50 PM, #143
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, A2, 13-May-10 11:45 PM, #148
                    Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 14-May-10 09:00 AM, #149
                         Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, A2, 14-May-10 11:33 AM, #152
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, TJHuron, 19-Apr-10 11:49 AM, #20
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:28 PM, #27
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, TJHuron, 19-Apr-10 01:03 PM, #39
Reply Ideas, Quixotic, 19-Apr-10 11:18 AM, #12
Reply RE: Ideas, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 11:28 AM, #16
Reply RE: Heralds, Quixotic, 19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Heralds, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 12:49 PM, #32
          Reply RE: Heralds, thendrell, 19-Apr-10 03:53 PM, #71
Reply RE: Ideas, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 11:31 AM, #17
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 11:08 AM, #10
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 11:42 AM, #13
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 22-Apr-10 10:10 AM, #126
          Reply Con Loss., Pro, 22-Apr-10 01:57 PM, #128
Reply Off the cuff., Dallevian, 19-Apr-10 10:55 AM, #8
Reply Last thing would be great to help newbies nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 11:27 AM, #15
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, ORB, 19-Apr-10 10:48 AM, #7
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 10:56 AM, #9
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 11:16 AM, #11
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 11:26 AM, #14
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 11:37 AM, #18
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #24
                    Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:00 PM, #38
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 11:43 AM, #19
                    Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:26 PM, #26
                         Reply Yes, I agree with you. I just pointed out two cases I e..., Dervish, 19-Apr-10 12:29 PM, #28
                              Reply Fair enough n/t, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:33 PM, #30
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 10:30 AM, #3
Reply Nothing., Dervish, 19-Apr-10 10:30 AM, #2
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, 34-inside, 19-Apr-10 10:20 AM, #1
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 10:34 AM, #4
          Reply Dunno, I never had big problems finding a group, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 10:38 AM, #5
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, 34-inside, 19-Apr-10 10:39 AM, #6
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