>>The first time was because of the way Ordasen was treating
>mortals - cursing at one that shouldn't have been cursed at.
>
>I've heard that is because it was Cyradias friend and that he
>was a perma with Cyradia and Cyradia connected with her imm
>char and cussed at hem when he caught them.

Nope - wasn't a perma. Maybe to someone with negligible intelligence and no reasoning skills it might've looked that way, but it wasn't.