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AithiarThu 30-Nov-23 09:34 AM
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#16, "Ish, I'd wish... for you to fix a 22-year old pet peeve."


  

          

That pet peeve is... "super-genius".

No, seriously. This has bothered the hell out of me since I first logged on in December 2001. The term gives me a science fiction vibe, rather than a medieval fantasy one. It feels out of place.

Presently, the intelligence stat scales as "average/genius/super-genius/god-like". My 2023 wish is for that to be changed to something like "average/intelligent/genius/god-like".

It's simple and insignificant, with no ramifications for game mechanics. Then again, it's something that has been around since times immemorial, so some may get a little sentimental about it.

I'm all for changing it. Here's to hoping!

  

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Reply Present, Ishuli, 22-Dec-23 04:08 PM, #10
Reply RE: Present, Aithiar, 22-Dec-23 06:24 PM, #11
Reply Noticed that help stats needs updating:, Calion, 25-Dec-23 02:19 PM, #12
     Reply I hate helpfiles., Ishuli, 25-Dec-23 03:42 PM, #13
          Reply Don't forget about the individual race helpfiles., Aithiar, 25-Dec-23 04:03 PM, #14
          Reply RE: Don't forget about the individual race helpfiles., Ishuli, 25-Dec-23 04:51 PM, #15
          Reply Sorry =(, Calion, 26-Dec-23 04:04 AM, #16
Reply RE: Ish, I'd wish... for you to fix a 22-year old pet p..., crsweeney, 04-Dec-23 10:56 AM, #8
Reply Well..., Ishuli, 01-Dec-23 02:39 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Well..., Java, 01-Dec-23 02:49 PM, #2
     Reply RE: Well..., FullmoonCat, 01-Dec-23 02:57 PM, #3
          Reply I too agree, Callowyin, 04-Dec-23 09:43 AM, #7
          Reply Keep in mind that most adventurers are probably the top..., Jormyr, 04-Dec-23 05:46 PM, #9
     Reply Yes., Swordsosaurus, 01-Dec-23 02:57 PM, #4
     Reply My takes, Dallevian, 01-Dec-23 08:05 PM, #5
          Reply Supporting the original request and this even more, Calion, 03-Dec-23 07:48 AM, #6
               Reply RE: Supporting the original request and this even more, Jeremiah, 22-Jan-24 05:11 AM, #17

IshuliFri 22-Dec-23 04:08 PM
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#99, "Present"
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As indicated it'll get done, and I took player commentary into changing it.

Soon you won't be a super-genius!

  

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AithiarFri 22-Dec-23 06:24 PM
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#101, "RE: Present"
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"Soon you won't be a super-genius!"

All I ever wanted. Thanks, Ish.

(And all the folks who supported the idea.)

  

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CalionMon 25-Dec-23 02:15 PM
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#112, "Noticed that help stats needs updating:"
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Edited on Mon 25-Dec-23 02:19 PM

          

STATS (225)

Stats can be improved through training, gear, and other
magical affects.
Stat powers are judged on the following scale, from strongest
to weakest:
   
Strength     Intelligence    Wisdom      Dexterity    Const.  
  Charisma
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Titanic      God-Like        Profound    Deft         Vigorous
  Enchanting
Herculean    Super-Genius    Sagacious   Quick        Hearty  
  Disarming
Strong       Genius          Wise        Dextrous     Healthy 
  Charismatic
Average      Average         Average     Average      Average 
  Average
Weak         Slow            Dim         Clumsy       Weak    
  Repulsive
Infantile    Incompetent     Foolish     Hopeless     Sickly  
  Despised

**Edit: I see Dim is used for really low wisdom, too, oops!
Maybe that's below PC wisdom values, though?

  

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IshuliMon 25-Dec-23 03:42 PM
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#113, "I hate helpfiles."
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That was horrible to fix. I regret my decision already.

  

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AithiarMon 25-Dec-23 04:03 PM
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#114, "Don't forget about the individual race helpfiles."
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Twenty-two in total.

One for each year of pet peeve, come to think of it.

Huh.

  

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IshuliMon 25-Dec-23 04:51 PM
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#115, "RE: Don't forget about the individual race helpfiles."
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I should have coaled this.

  

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CalionTue 26-Dec-23 04:04 AM
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#118, "Sorry =("
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I thought they were simple plain text files. I guess nothing in CF is simple. 8|

  

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crsweeneyMon 04-Dec-23 10:56 AM
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#57, "RE: Ish, I'd wish... for you to fix a 22-year old pet p..."
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No dog in this fight, it matters little to me, but providing some context, I believe that the labels for intelligence in CF were inspired by those used in Dungeons and Dragons, 2nd edition, contemporary to the time CF and the ROM/DIKU code base was evolving. D&D did incorporate science fiction since it's original version (Blackmoor), so the description having a science fiction feel for this stat is appropriate in that game. Below is the description chart for Intelligence as published in the 2nd edition D&D monster manual:


0 Nonintelligent or not ratable
1 Animal intelligence
2–4 Semi-intelligent
5–7 Low intelligence
8–10 Average (human) intelligence
11–12 Very intelligent
13–14 Highly intelligent
15–16 Exceptionally intelligent
17–18 Genius
19–20 Supra-genius
21+ Godlike intelligence

  

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IshuliFri 01-Dec-23 02:39 PM
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#25, "Well..."
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We're at a maybe. Get some player commentary on this one and if everyone likes it / is cool with it, we'll present it.

  

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JavaFri 01-Dec-23 02:49 PM
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#26, "RE: Well..."
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The recommendation makes way more sense than current. There should be an option between average and genius.

I'd even go a step further and say 14-15 be something like "dim-witted" or "slow". 16-17 as average, 18-20 as intelligent, 21-23 as genius, and 24-25 as god-like.

  

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FullmoonCatFri 01-Dec-23 02:57 PM
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#28, "RE: Well..."
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I agree, it always seemed weird to me that the "dumb" races all get average intelligence. That's not what "average" means

I would support this change, personally. I am also in support of the original suggestion, for the record.

  

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CallowyinMon 04-Dec-23 09:43 AM
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#56, "I too agree"
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It always confused me that it would tell me I'm intelligent, but I'm really not.

  

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JormyrMon 04-Dec-23 05:46 PM
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#58, "Keep in mind that most adventurers are probably the top..."
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Edited on Mon 04-Dec-23 05:46 PM

          

So...generally "slow" races...the most intelligent of them are average
or reasonably intelligent. Just...the other 90% of the race is busy
being absolute idiots.

On the topic of the actual change though...I like it!

  

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SwordsosaurusFri 01-Dec-23 02:57 PM
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#29, "Yes."
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My commentary is positive.

  

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DallevianFri 01-Dec-23 08:05 PM
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#31, "My takes"
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Dim
Average
Intelligent
Brilliant
Genius

  

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CalionSun 03-Dec-23 07:48 AM
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#45, "Supporting the original request and this even more"
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>Dim
>Average
>Intelligent
>Brilliant
>Genius

In "super-genius" the "super" is just silly and the same can be said of "god-like", genius is more that perfect for describing the most bright mortals.

  

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JeremiahMon 22-Jan-24 05:11 AM
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#163, "RE: Supporting the original request and this even more"
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retarted instead of dim lmfao

Mr. Jeremiah Lee Brown

  

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