The level of "we have to use a different word or grouping of words to mask a word that would really be fine in a midieval world" has gotten out of hand, IMO.

I never really liked the use of the word "rank" instead of "level", either. Why do people think it is better? Or "guild circle"?

Even the word "experience" has been villified by RP watchdogs. I understand not saying "I need 2000 exp to level." But that's not to say that those words shouldn't be used.

"The damage from that initial pincer was unexpected." is no more OOC than saying "The pain I felt from your initial cleave was large."

OOC is more along the lines of terms that don't make sense in a fantasy setting. I'm all in favor of using phrasing like "My mind wanders briefly." instead of "AFK peeing."

But let's not go overboard. I once had someone try to be a RP Nazi to one of my characters who answered some idiotic taunt with "Ok." He then went OOC on me to explain how "OK was totally OOC." Then I told him to open a door and close it, and see what he saw. He went rabid-foaming-at-the-mouth on me and I did my best to ignore him (pre-ignore-command).

At least in the way you describe it.

Open a door and close it and see what you see.

I don't get it, but its funneh.

Yeargh

tho i think it is because people need a way to smoothen the transition from a world of immersable continuous mathematics to the hardcore discrete stuff of cf mechanics.

anyway i totally agree it often gets ridiculous. that being said, quasi on the same note, can we change dirt kick to dirt throw or something? i have never been able to kind of believe that kicking dirt in somebody's eyes in actually physically possible.

I dont have a problem with the word damage being used IC. Instead, I feel awkward when people start refering to the skills in that way.

Take these two:
"When you used entwine, I knew I was screwed."
"When you entwined me, I knew I was screwed."

I'd prefer the second any day. In that case, you are talking about the action taking place. We cant really complain about someone talking about that. But in the first case he talks about the skill in a way that doesnt feel natural to me, except when you OOC talk about a game.

So in the example everyone use to rag on someones RP for the word damage, its the pincer part that sticks out to me. Am I the only one that feels that way?

I'm 100% in favor of staying in character. I try my best to do it. But, I do also realize that at the end of the day that this is a game between human competitors and considering the speed of the game there are going to be times when people skirt the edges of perfect RP in order to communicate with each other better. I'm perfectly OK with that so long as the players are making an attempt to RP and not blatantly going OOC. I think a lot of these issues arise from players just trying to keep up with the pace of the game.

For example, if I kill someone and they tell me "good fight" or "well done", is this really good RP? Hell no, but, does it bother me? Not at all. It doesn't because that person is attempting to be a good sport in a competitive environment and as long as that's the end of it, I'm not bothered.

Or the questions "Wish to group?" that many have pointed out already. I don't think this is the best RP either, but, I won't hold it against anyone who asks me this because I know that they are playing this game to have fun and wish to actually do something with their character instead of sitting in their guild typing "Good Sir! I send you my greetings! I am organizing a party of like minded adventurers to go explore the country side and you look like just the sort of fellow who could use some fresh air!" over and over again until they find people willing to group with.

Many of you may disagree with me, but, as I said below Rogue's post my brain just isn't wired to always come up with some great Elvish retort to a question or something along those lines off the cuff. When I write my role I also spend the time coming up with emotes and phrases I think my character will say to help me better stay in role because I know that when this game gets going it becomes tough to think of the appropriate way to respond IC without losing the moment. This helps alot but it doesn't cover every situation.

Instead, ask "Is this quality RP?" or in other words, is this remark appropriate for the character Hrue as opposed to the player of Hrue. In my opinion, no. Not knowing Hrue's roll, it certainly reads like shallow human in a dwarf suit to me.

I'm not saying the imms should step in and punish characters for using the word damage, but I don't think it hurts CF to set the roleplay bar just a little higher than that.

tells you: wanna learn?
tells you: whos your god?
tells you: you only won cause you have 8 levels on me, I'm
not fighting you till I rank up
tells you(You being a non wizard class): i've looked everywhere for
my sleeks and cant find them. have any ideas where else I can look?
tells you: what weapons do you use?

Small, small examples. It's OOC, it's lazy, it's pathetic, it's stupid. Just as much as Hrue telling someone with a *dwarf* in as dull speech as possible, "your initial pincer.." This character just moments ago was in a balls out battle with a sworn enemy and the first thing he has to say is a hindsight observation from a cool and collective perspective, with the mental capacity of a human or halfie? I'm sorry, there is absolutely NO rp there.

Before I deleted my low level character Azber, I tried on four diferent occasions to talk to Hrue as an applicant because of his title, and gave him my full bore RP flare of a svirf raised by a single parent who apprenticed with dwarven blacksmiths, and this dude had nothing to say but "Aye". Wouldn't give me the time of day, or even more than a one word response and log out.

You tell possible groupmate: Oi! Solid stones en smoother whiskey ter yeh. Trainin me'ammerin arm en offerin yeh sidin wid me along like.

You tell possible groupmate: Oi! Ain't fer knowin yeh afore face ter face like, but sure en stones bein hard as me paps lernins, ah'd see me fightin aside yeh ah would.

You tell possible groupmate: Sure as deh grindin wheel bein round, eh be along der soon'n nuff, dis ah guaruntee!

You tell someone: Eh haverm mightier critters in me beard!


Meh... it's soooo ####ing hard to not sound mechanical.

Gropu?

Instead of posting PSA's defending non-rp'ing speech patterns, how about respond and defend yourselves as to why characters like Vozmuir didn't get nuetralized.

Its one thing to have to translate the metaphors, another to have to translate an accent like that. Both is annoying. Pick one.

Some people (myself included) just aren't that on-the-spot creative to come up with imagined racial vernacular on the fly like that.

For me, I often have to spend time coming up with a series of phrases my character might say ahead of time and writing them down for future use. Otherwise, I end in a situation where I'm interacting with another character and I end up having to either A) just say what I really mean or B) waste 5 minutes coming up with something RP appropriate to say and by that time the interactive moment has passed. With the speed of the game option B isn't always a good one.

I have had to do exactly what you described.

You start out with just a couple basic phrases or references.

With Azber, I had the grinding wheel, sure as stones are solid, my warcry was Rend the Rocks Red with Wizards Blood or something like that, and me hammering arm.

Basically, you just juggle any of those into any varient once or twice when you talk with someone. Realistically, how much is there to say in passing conversation with someone you're going to rank with? Just giving a taste of each, and possible coming up withing something new with each person you talk to, turn down, or just say hello to, by the time you're in the mid ranks, you have a comfortable character development to where you can interview for a cabal and dress-to-impress.

This is a simple but very workable method I use for characters that I want to have a lot of flash in my speech patterns. That doesn't mean that you have to be the scottish accent, or super flashy. Even if you're subtle with it, you have a few key componets that you are comfortable with, that are pulled out of/worked into your role (A good way to get an Immortal to slap a Lastname because you are RP'ing it often or a Title, or whatever you are working on) and really help you sink yourself into your character.

This is the kind of thing that personally, helps me immerse. Maybe you are wasting 5 minutes a couple times, but before you know it, you're going to have a cabal applicante ####ting his pants in an interview because you are making him feel like your first experience with an immortal made you feel.

That's an awesome feeling, and very rewarding.

nt

Uneditorialized true fact: a solid majority of uses of the ignore command have Rogue as either the ignorer or ignoree.

If I decide we're done speaking, or that you're not worth listening to, I do something about it.

If the command wasn't supposed to be used, it wouldn't be there.

There is your answer, poor sportsmanship is a mother ####er when you get called out on it.

I'm a poor sport because I ignore someone.

I'm a poor sport because I get ignored.

Nice logic.

I think you are underestimating why the ignore command is used in the first place. Or perhaps why it is used against me.

The last person that ignored me, was made Provost. I sent him a tell asking him why he was made provost, considering he never leaves town to get his Scales, and he leaves the lands everytime we get ready to come take it. More or less from my characters lifespan and playtimes this was factual, and I got ignored by him.

I ignored a certain person close to him, because regardless of whether or not I would respond to him, he would keep talking to me as if I responded or not about how cool he was, and how great his patron Imm was. It was annoying. Even using Ignore, he would still use Whispering Wind. Double annoying.

I'm the poor sport.

The ignore command was designed for people like you, but in the opposite way of which YOU use it.

You take constant pot shots and offensive IC spammy tells to people and force them to actually use an OOC method to tune you out of their fantasy mud because you are making them have such a horrible experience. Usually I just tried to sleep for a few ticks, but you're right there after still spamming troll tells. Other end of the spectrum is when people actually want to engage you in conversation while you're trolling them, step two for you is LOLIGNOREENGAGE, then you just leave them dissatisfied because they don't get the opportunity to RP with you and see why you're such a douchebag IC.

I remember ignoring Yindathos with Fzoarn for example.

He was sending me tells "Why did you kill me?"

I didn't feel the need to even justify that being a Tribunal, and he an Outlander, on top of that us having the fetish. That kind of stuff just makes me go bleh, and I'm not even going to be bothered with those tells when I have other tells going on.

Maybe he thought I was being a ####, oh well.

I thought it was twice as bad that he went to Yantha and had him ask me, or ask him to talk to Yindathos about it. Personally, that specific situation, was incredibly IC to have nothing to do with him at the time, it's not RP to have tea and crumpets after I just pasted an enemy into the ground. He was dealt with, and I was moving on.

Of course don't get me wrong, I love me some Yindathos, obviously. I think you people (I'm using this extremely generically) are just way too freaking sensitive.

nt

>it was annoying. Even using Ignore,
>he would still use Whispering Wind. Double annoying.

What like how you did the camo/noreply trick to circumvent the ignore timer rules? God you are such a hypocrite.

>I'm the poor sport.

This is what basically the entire playerbase from imms/ex-imms/players are all saying.

But you know, clearly you are right and its the entire rest of the world that is crazy.

If you care, it's one of your tells.

If you don't, carry on.

You should know after all these years, I don't.

It's all good.

you don't care so much you respond to every single post where you can potentially argue and throw around weasel words

lol dude you are the biggest joke on CF

Still rather rogue over artificial...he complains less and makes more sense. Which is sad.

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

In a gaming world, such as CF, or any MUD, imagination plays a role similar to that which it plays when a person reads a novel. The words scrolling before your eyes are the skeleton, framework, and canvas upon which the mind adds blood and flesh, girders and wiring, gesso and paint. Therefore it's important that the foundation be, if nothing else, consistent, lest the final product (the imagining, itself) be deformed and shoddy.

When I read "The damage from that initial pincer was unexpected," it sounds, to me, like commentary being given on an OOC forum about an IC event. It does not come off like a man who just fell in glorious battle to his hated foe.

You are right that this is not a big deal, but it is certainly something that every player should avoid doing for their own sakes, as well as those who are trying to imagine.

That was a bit verbose...sorry, I've been reading a lot lately.

"sorry, I've been reading a lot lately"

That quote slayed me. Since it's CF and all.

Pretty good post though.

I never said his way was OOC. I said there were WAY better ways to put it than he did. Then I offered what I thought was constructive criticism, and people bitched about it like I was the RP police.


And twist, being the great roleplayer you are, I would expect far, far more for you than a statement like Oh man, that pincer damage was a lot.


Like Mek said, its not a big deal, but if we all do the bare minimum of whats acceptable, there won't be any more characters that actually are remembered for their RP. Might as well rename it to POS if you want to go that route.

Sorry some of us take our roleplaying seriously, I certainly do, I dont play this game for pk.

gr

.

More often than not you give off the 'I'm here to have a good time and chillax via PK and light RP' vibe (I be guilty of this as well).Yes you stay in character but your goodies are basically the same character with the same quirks and happy-go-lucky attitude, and your evils are typically similar as well with the exception of Tavlin who was based on an OOC concept that only you could have pulled off and been rewarded for. These aren't necessarily bad things, it is just obvious you are here to have fun and pk with power builds rather than immerse yourself completely in RP (guilty). Like..I think if you played a Herald anything with the rule of not ever having any limited gear you would last 6 hours max, no pity quest forms allowed either.

The character Twist himself falls into this same boat. When I go for your tat I know my best strategy is not to put out in depth RP to all those around me all the time, just do something pretty cool (usually PK oriented) and hope you're around to see it. Eventually you either catch it or get told about it.

The 'I've been damaged by your dual-wielding axes and pincering!' PSA is the perfect example of this. Not necessarily wrong, but definitely the opinion of a light RP player.


The black light attack of your offhand wielded flail has MANGLED me and dropped me to gushing blood sir! Perhaps next time I should type flee instead of retreat! The entwine is what really killed me though! I have lost a third of constitution!

Bleh.

>More often than not you give off the 'I'm here to have a good
>time and chillax via PK and light RP' vibe (I be guilty of
>this as well).Yes you stay in character but your goodies are
>basically the same character with the same quirks and
>happy-go-lucky attitude, and your evils are typically similar
>as well with the exception of Tavlin who was based on an OOC
>concept that only you could have pulled off and been rewarded
>for. These aren't necessarily bad things, it is just obvious
>you are here to have fun and pk with power builds rather than
>immerse yourself completely in RP (guilty). Like..I think if
>you played a Herald anything with the rule of not ever having
>any limited gear you would last 6 hours max, no pity quest
>forms allowed either.

I have a hard time playing characters that do not PK successfully, yep. That's not to say I don't try them (and last longer than 6 hours). My recent defense/air shifter Acolyte lasted nearly 100 (whoa, I know right that's a huge number) before I finally said "Wow, can't take this anymore."

>The character Twist himself falls into this same boat. When I
>go for your tat I know my best strategy is not to put out in
>depth RP to all those around me all the time, just do
>something pretty cool (usually PK oriented) and hope you're
>around to see it. Eventually you either catch it or get told
>about it.

Almost no Twist tattooees have ever been PKlicious. Usually someone gets a tattoo from me by being a (relatively) longterm char who has prayed a lot and/or tried to contact me via note/email.


>The 'I've been damaged by your dual-wielding axes and
>pincering!' PSA is the perfect example of this. Not
>necessarily wrong, but definitely the opinion of a light RP
>player.

You're paraphrasing to make it sound sillier than it was. Shocker.

>
>The black light attack of your offhand wielded flail has
>MANGLED me and dropped me to gushing blood sir! Perhaps next
>time I should type flee instead of retreat! The entwine is
>what really killed me though! I have lost a third of
>constitution!
>
>Bleh.

I'm kinda meh on using damage verbs because it borders on numbercrunching IC. The last sentence is silly and you know it. As for the rest? "Your secondary weapon was painful. Once you got me entwined, things were looking very bad for me." There's nothing wrong with that. It isn't high-end RP like sitting and discussing dark omens in the Chasm, but we aren't HappyMUSH, we're Carrion Fields. There's a place for both kinds of RP here.

RP is far more about doing and acting as your character (instead of your player) would than whether you typed in the word "damage".

To start, I don't think Lhydia was trying to be insulting. I have only interacted with Hanord from the list of characters I know you have played. However, from what I read of others, I do get the feeling you are an RP-lite kinda guy. Your PSA supports that. RP-lite is also not necessarily a bad thing.

I completely agree that RP is more about what you DO in the world rather than flowery RPish chatting.

It's clear you try to make it fun for those you are playing with. It's clear that you can be successful in PK. It's clear that you must have some idea how to RP or you wouldn't garner the rewards you typically do.

That being said, if I want some rad RP, I'm going to Scarab, Neltouda, Corrlaan (miss my archon lord ), or one of Rayihn's incarnations (supposing I ever have a reason to, haven't played a character that has yet).

That's not to say you can't RP (I wouldn't know, since we haven't interacted), just that I always get the vibe that you are about whatever maximizes the fun for all involved rather than playing your character to the T. Nothing wrong with that and probably actually better to play that way.

One of my interactions with Hanord was basically him apologizing for his Imperials taking most of my gear when I unknowingly suicided at the inners since I was a ghost. I thought to myself "What a nice guy, sure seems like the Emperor would just take everything without a word of apology." Again though, that's my preference for RP over sportsmanship. Clearly you prefer sportsmanship.

Even still, I don't see the guy's comment as that far outside the realm of Theran speech. MAYBE for a dwarf, but ONLY if he had established himself as the typical scottish/irish/pirate dwarf in the past.

Asspirate dwarf.

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

Helped me to recieve perma demotions from a worried elder sect leader.

Personally, I think the only better way for Hrue to portray his thought about how the pincer hurt is to put some dwarven cursing in his tell...I wouldn't want to hear a dwarf with flowery tells personally but that is just me...

"That bloody innitial pincer was fargin more damaging than ah bloody expected!"

People still use 'tank'? Pretty sure there were no tanks back in the day...

there were plenty of containers and dammed waterways 'back in the day'.

u r idiot grutch

Like I said, words that have no place in a medieval setting are probably bad.

But damage, pincer, initial? Not bad words to use.

Could it have been more flowery an better RP'd? Sure.

However I've had some chars ask me to group in such ridiculously flowery ways that I wasn't precisely sure what they were asking. Something like "Oi, mate, I see yer na lackin' when it comes te strength! Hows about we stir up some trouble, aye?"

Meh.

"However I've had some chars ask me to group in such ridiculously flowery ways that I wasn't precisely sure what they were asking. Something like "Oi, mate, I see yer na lackin' when it comes te strength! Hows about we stir up some trouble, aye?"

Your *meh* response to someone asking you to group like this, but taking the time to make a PSA about Hrue's comment regarding initial pincer damage post-death, is why I've had a problem with your return, and have a problem with your heavily, heavily Imm sponsered characters.

it was one of your chars that asked one of my chars to group like this, without so much as an introduction as to who you were or anything.

Speaking of having a problem, how does an Outlander-applicant ranger decide to attack Caitlyan, a Battle app arial neutral warrior instead of the conjurer that Caitlyan was trying to kill?

Oh, because he "does what he wants". Regardless of RP.

Outlander rangers don't have detect align, or care.

It was also perfectly within my role, specifically in my role, to bring down anything I deemed to be strong.

Said conjurer, also wasn't in my PK range.

Selzar, "Did what he wanted to".


Edit to Add

I just remember my beef with Caitlyan

You attacked me on Eastern road while I was scuffling with that flail spec dwarf. You were still an app, and I hate villagers that get involved in other villager fights. Because of that, I kept a grudge with your character. I remember now.

at very low levels, when I was after a mage in the past.

As for the conjurer fight in Galadon, I asked the conjurer after what sort of deal he had with you so that both of you attacked me at the same time and actually thought maybe he wasn't in your pk. He assured me he was, and had no idea why you'd go after me, since you'd attacked him before too.

Maybe he only plays ####head characters that pull together any scrap of rationalization for their murder-everything attitudes.

You should know you can't say anything to anyone here on CF because they just turn around and yell about how it was their RP even though we all know that is total ####.

Someone plays an evil character that is... Gasp! Evil.

The first time I came across you that I recall, you hamstrung me not too long after I was engaging and disengaged from a dwarf villager.

Regardless of whether or not the specifics are true or not, if you read the role at all, Selzar was not a decided Outlander applicant until later in life. Not as a character, or as a Player. I specifically had a loner mentality for some time, and specifically was geared to attacking anyone, and anything. I even would bring it up with the few people I travelled with in the mid-ranks how special they should feel that I was traveling with them. I did most of my learning alone, and would kill people because wearing their skin was such an addiction. This was very clear in my first role entries.

I didn't decide to even apply for Outlander until later on.

That being said, I remain that my first memories of Caitlyan as Selzar, was that you attacked me moments after a scuffle with a dwarf villager, while you were an applicant. Because of that, I kept you on my attack-on-sight radar. This didn't carry over into other characters however, being Liralindalum actually had a lot of admiration and respect for you. It's a RP thing.

I have our first interaction logged:

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People near you:
Tairneach The Reliquary of Holy War
Heimskrell Avenue of Faith, Beneath the Cathedral Buttresses
(PK) Selzar Avenue of Hope
Tyntris The Foyer of the Golden Eagle Guildhall
Selzar has arrived.

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Selzar utters the words, 'qarr diesilla'.

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A dark skinned man catches your view. His blotchy skin is heavily weathered
and abundant with small nicks and possibly bug bites or some sort. A strong
musky odor permeates from his person. Highly disheveled, his garments are
rag tag at best. Dirty, bearing no formal markings of any sort.

His gaze is very focused with a cold, lonely stare. Deeply hued green eyes
rarely blink behind his thick bushy brow. Freshly shaven, his dark, yet
shining bald head has several cuts from a recent grooming. His long braided
goatee is nearly motionless from the greasy muck that covers his armaments.

You can see that his body is fairly thin for even a human. Possibly quick on
his feet from his stature, noticing how finely toned his muscles are. Quite
lean, you note his physical fitness. With a last glance, you notice that
Selzar, a male human, is in perfect health.

Selzar is using:
<worn on finger> a pale white skull ring
<worn on finger> a pale white skull ring
<worn around neck> (Magical) (Glowing) an emerald summoning stone
<worn around neck> (Magical) (Glowing) an emerald summoning stone
<worn on body> a midnight dragon hide
<worn on head> a midnight dragon skull
<worn on legs> midnight dragon leggings
<worn on feet> midnight dragon boots
<worn on hands> midnight dragon gauntlets
<worn on arms> midnight dragon armguards
<worn about body> a skin from the snow leopard
<worn about waist> a wide bronze belt
<worn around wrist> a serpent-scale bracer
<worn around wrist> (Magical) a charred leather bracer
<mainhand wielded> Mahn-Tor's Great Axe
<offhand wielded> (Glowing) (Humming) the ivory-hilted wakizashi

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Selzar looks at you.

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Selzar utters the words, 'qarr diesilla'.
You yell 'Help, I've been struck by lightning!'
You are struck by a bolt of lightning from above!
Selzar's lightning bolt DISMEMBERS you!
Selzar is in perfect health.


We fight for a bit, I end up fleeing.

You tell Selzar 'What is your quarrel with me, ranger?'
Selzar tells you 'What are you lookin at?'
You tell Selzar 'Truly that is your answer?'
Selzar tells you '"truly"'
Selzar tells you 'Run along boy'

I go sleep in Galadon where high level Tribs are.

You go to sleep.

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Selzar wakes you.

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Selzar says 'Cower'

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You go to sleep.

Selzar yells 'Help! Caitlyan kicked dirt in my eyes!'
*** For future reference, trying to fake this you'll want to either yell Die, Caitlyan, you dirty fool! or Someone kicked dirt in my eyes.

You chuckle, leave. You go rest at the Arena. I find you there and hamstring you. You flee.

You tell Selzar 'As I thought.'
Selzar tells you 'What?'
keepreply
Keep whose reply?
Selzar tells you 'You hiding in Galadon like a little girl?'
t selzar Quick to taunt when winning, quick to run when losing.
They aren't here.
keepreply
Keep whose reply?

I keep trying, knowing you'll step out of cover eventually.

You tell Selzar 'Quick to taunt when winning, quick to run when losing.'

Later that same day, I've hamstrung you again, then tried to chase and failed. I see a mage in town and go after him.

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Elloris looks at a winged angel.
You swing a three-bladed dagger at Elloris's hamstring but miss.
You learn from your mistakes, and your hamstring ability improves 3% (75%).
You parry Elloris's slash.
A winged angel yells 'I come to burn the darkness from the Prime, Caitlyan! I come to burn you!'
You dodge a winged angel's wrath.
You dodge a winged angel's wrath.
A winged angel tries to disarm you, but fails.
Elloris has some small but disgusting cuts.

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Selzar has arrived.
Elloris utters the words, 'waouq wuggurz'.
Elloris waves his arm in a wide arc, sending projectiles of pure mana aimed at you.
Elloris's magic missile grazes you.
Elloris's magic missile grazes you.
Elloris's magic missile grazes you.
You yell 'Help! I'm being attacked by a fire elemental!'
You dodge a fire elemental's flaming bite.
A fire elemental's flaming bite SEARS you!
An elite battlement guard leaves south.
A battlement guard leaves south.
A battlement guard leaves south.
Elloris has some small but disgusting cuts.

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You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Selzar!'
You parry Selzar's searing cut.
Elloris has some small but disgusting cuts.

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Elloris slowly floats to the ground.
You parry a fire elemental's flaming bite.
You dodge a fire elemental's flaming bite.
You dodge a fire elemental's flaming bite.
You dodge a winged angel's wrath.
You dodge Selzar's searing cut.
You parry Selzar's cut.
You dodge Elloris's slash.
You parry Elloris's slash.
Elloris parries your pierce.
Your pierce DISMEMBERS Elloris!
Elloris parries your pierce.
Elloris is covered with bleeding wounds.

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Using a blackened copper axe, Selzar disarms you and sends a three-bladed dagger flying!
Elloris is covered with bleeding wounds.

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You dodge a fire elemental's flaming bite.
A winged angel's wrath DISMEMBERS you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Western Battlements


You flee from combat!

I run like hell. You and Elloris chase (separately), with you trying to finish me off with a call lightning.

<31%/100%(31%) 83%(83%) 19%(19%) 11071 wilderness 2 AM>
who pk
<28 Dwarf War> (PK) (WANTED) Drothgar the Veteran
<29 Human Bar> (PK) Doreth the Songsmith, Sheathed Blade
<25 Human Ran> (PK) Selzar the Forestwalker
<26 Human Con> (PK) Elloris the Breaker of Bindings
<23 Arial Shf> (PK) Fayne the Student of Size
<25 Human Shf> (PK) Mugen the Animorph
<26 Fire War> (PK) Yakonok the Vanguard
<30 Arial Inv> (PK) Ageelt the Wizard of Evocation

Players found: 9

I'm also level 25 in the log. Human ranger and arial warrior are 50 xp/level apart, so the likelihood of you having Elloris in PK is very high.


Lastly:

Sun Mar 4 15:28:47 2012 at level 25 (41 hrs): Selzar has pledged to the Outlanders of Thar-Eris

The system time at the point of this log:
System time is Sun Mar 4 21:37:10 2012 (MT)

Like I told you, he was not in my PK range. You failed to recognize that part I had a mob death.



Mar 4, 2012 |Lv 25|Organia, the Veil of Shadow|Urnthagral, Lord of the Hunt by poisonous bite


Had he been in range, I would have attacked him first. My RP regarding Outlander ideology is far, far from being questionable.

However, when you wrote:


"Later that same day, I've hamstrung you again, then tried to chase and failed. I see a mage in town and go after him"

I am assuming this was after I was fighting with that dwarf flail spec, fled from him and was on the run, and you hamstrung me on eastern road. I then proceeded to haul ass, heal up, and return with extreme prejudice.

Thanks for playing.

I created selzar to blow off steam after Fzoarn. Not that he went very far, but I got into him later on.

Looking at that snippet, I'm grimacing. That's a ####ty log.

I'm going to really start making a point to either get more creative in the low blow ranks, or just keep quiet altogether in those situations. I started him off in an entirely wrong mindset. Development or not, Selzar had a #### mentality start. I attribute that to being reactive, but still, I know better.

Deep thoughts with jack handy or something.

You're still wrong.

gr

I like, literally, posted a mob death that, literally, disproves the conjurer being in my PK range, like I said originally... Literally.


He posted *a* log. His log proves nothing in regards to "my" pk range. I however, posted a mob death that I had that same day, which too likely would be why said conjurer wasn't in my range. Maybe he was about to rank, who knows? I don't log every single thing that happens in my characters lifespan.

Fact still remains, had he been in my range, I would have attacked the conjurer first. Twist is wrong, his post doesn't prove otherwise. I believe I backed up up enough information to show that considering.

In the arguments sake of RP, he still had a Villager that was hopping on me after I was fighting another berserker, and is challenging my Outlander evil/chaotic 'app' for being a bad RP'r for not attacking someone who isn't in my range, because I attacked him?

I rest my case.

>Like I told you, he was not in my PK range. You failed to
>recognize that part I had a mob death.
>
>
>Mar 4, 2012 |Lv 25|Organia, the Veil of Shadow|Urnthagral,
>Lord of the Hunt by poisonous bite
>
>
>Had he been in range, I would have attacked him first. My RP
>regarding Outlander ideology is far, far from being
>questionable.

Except I was pretty sure min-exp human ranger will always have level 26 human base class in range unless human base class guy has distended (Elloris hadn't).

Just to be absolutely certain, though, I booted up the test port and ran a little experiment:

tran rogueranger
You transfer Rogueranger from The Great Portal 
Rogueranger arrives from a puff of smoke.
You transfer Rogueranger to Temple Square 

*** Level 25 human ranger coming up! ***

advance rogueranger 25
Raising a player's level!

whoi ro
<25 Human Ran> (PK) Rogueranger the Forestwalker

*** Ok but now he needs the max EXP hole... ***

You have created Heimdall!

Heimdall says 'You DARE attack ME?!?!?'
Heimdall's crush MANGLES Rogueranger!
Heimdall's crush MASSACRES Rogueranger!
Heimdall's crush misses Rogueranger.
Rogueranger's slash misses Heimdall.

Heimdall's crush MANGLES Rogueranger!
Heimdall's crush MANGLES Rogueranger!
Heimdall's crush MANGLES Rogueranger!
Rogueranger is mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided.

Heimdall's crush *** DEMOLISHES *** Rogueranger!
Rogueranger is DEAD!!


tran tconj
You transfer Tconj from The Great Portal
Tconj arrives from a puff of smoke.
You transfer Tconj to Temple Square 

*** Level 26 human conjurer next... ***

advance tconj 26
Raising a player's level!

*** Need to unghost the ranger....***

co can rogueranger
You close your eyes for a moment and nod at Rogueranger.
The magic of the ghost spell unravels.

*** Oh, actually just to be sure let's make the conjurer level 27. ***

advance tconj 27
Raising a player's level!

snoo rogueranger
Ok.  You start snooping Rogueranger.

force rogueranger who pk
Rogueranger% who pk
Ok.
Rogueranger> 
Twist forces you to 'who pk'.
*25 Human Ran* (PK) Rogueranger the Forestwalker
<27 Human Con> (PK) Tconj the Adept of Geomancy

Players found: 2

But it looks like a bunch of bells and whistles to me.

You don't have a log, you have a test port you played with, which proves nothing more than you are spending way too much time on this.

The infallable Twist actually doesn't have a log, *gasp* so he's making one. Why am I not suprised?

Maybe you should concentrate more on not breaking village parity with your next villager, and jump on people that are fleeing from fights with other villagers? As I recall, you admitted to doing this one multiple occassions in your death thread as well.

I still, rest my case, and...

My point remains; I stand behind the fact that Elloris wasn't in my PK range at the time, or I would have attacked him first. My Outlander ideology is not in Question here.

you have no case. once again. just drug-addled memories

your lack of self-awareness is quite interesting. please post more for continued observation. and humor.

Doesn't mean I haven't been sober for over six months.

Nice job with the insults though.

And a big F-U to the Imms for saying to hell with enforcing any of the forum policies lately regarding me, and people constantly attacking me on a personal level over, and over, because they don't like my characters or style of play.

I defend myself, and pieces of #### like you, I deal with.

Your outlander ideology is not in question (we all know you use it as a micro-thin veil to justify being agrresive with whomever you want you have a long verifiable history of doing so) what was in question were the specifics of why a villager ended up initiating combat with you.

As a self titled expert of regerology I find Twists explanation of the situation to be perfectly acceptable. He made an effort to avoid confrontation with you and you continued to demonstrate agressive behavior and he reacted in an acceptable manner.*

*I cringe to say this because jerrokrar will read this and not understand the fine line between defending yourself from a person obviously trying to pick a fight and seeing someone who fought you 3 months ago in the same area as you.

Selzar specifically was aggressive to *everyone*. It's not like I had friendlies, and those I wasn't aggressive to, I was directly benefiting from not being so. Bear in mind I attacked and died to the Harbinger, and Sunwarden. His high level of aggression was dished out in every direction, even when it was detrimental to the character. This "RP" that I was using, was also the ultimate downfall of the character. This wasn't a mindless murder-excuse character like you are portraying me.

Rajker, an evil shapeshifter before Selzar, had 0 PKs. Liralindalum, an Outlander, had 13pks, a Whiysdan follower.

These are just recent characters mind you. You also have to realise, playing an Outlander, even a PK intensive outlander, you give up a lot of perks to be able to do so. Still,

Your comment

"(we all know you use it as a micro-thin veil to justify being agrresive with whomever you want you have a long verifiable history of doing so)"

... Like a lot of other comments people throw my way, seems to me to be just fitting to the current topic or situation to present yourself in some sort of position. It's incorrect, and it sort of pisses me off.

I'm more inclined to believe Twist since he isn't a known liar.

Rogue's story has holes in it - everything from his PK range claims, to his misdirection about his pledge status/habits.

Twist has provided logs.

One has lost credibility, the others' is intact. End o' the line, Jack.

Splntrd

Just persistent vocalized delusions.

I'm nicer than that. I like to give him a fresh start every thread. Call it a posting handicap.

Splntrd

nt

That's the point of the joke.

Splntrd

Twist often lies even when there is no any benefit for himself in doing so.

nt

Twist isn't well enough known liar for me to be aware of this prior to your claim. I have no firsthand experience of Twist's integrity, so I have no comment on your claim. Rogues lies I have first hand experience of and therefore can claim him to be a liar.

03/03/2012 13:40:29 <24 Human Ran> Selzar initiated combat (ambush) with <20 Dwarf War> Eldras at (Coven of Dralkar Wood)
03/03/2012 23:21:56 <24 Human Ran> Selzar initiated combat (call lightning) with <25 Arial War> Caitlyan at (Voralian City)
03/03/2012 23:22:09 <25 Arial War> Caitlyan initiated combat (hamstring) with <24 Human Ran> Selzar at (Voralian City)

And to make this more obvious, Selzar's last combat prior to fighting Caitlyan was 10 hours earlier; he then logged in at 23:15:35 and his first combat was with Caitlyan.


(Stupid square bracket html nonsense.)

I've already told you, I don't OCD log my life like twist does.

I also don't have the same tools available to me to cross reference every single tick of character lifespan.

I'll repeat: From memory, my first experience I remember of Caitylan, was him hamstringing me, after I was fleeing from a flail spec dwarf.

Eldras, was not this dwarf. I believe it was Drothgar.

The whole incident Twist has been spending so much time on, I really don't even to recall to begin with. what still remains to say is, had I seen a conjurer in PK range, I would have been on a conjurer first.

How many Tribunals have I had booted for attacked in Town? I do a where once, and chase towards my targets. It's entirely possible what ever logs he's fabricated could be true, who knows?


Considering how much crap you guys are allowing to freely be posted on this website, which back in the day would Never have been allowed to fly, but now I have multiple Imms spending this much time to try and prove a point (which you stil haven't) is just ridiculous. I have no opinion towards you Scarab, aside that you closed down your own religion and punished the entire playerbase because you empowered one of the ####tiest players in the history of CF, and let it get to you. Maybe you should stay out of this.



Is there even a point anymore to whatever it is you are trying to prove? Caitlyan was on my radar, yes. This was perfectly within my role to do so, yes. Conjurer was either not in my range, or not in my "where" when I went to engage Caitlyan, Yes.

What's the problem?

Grow up guys, because this, and your lack of policy enforcement allowing the dbags to flagrantly attack me on a personal level like you have, is the kind of thing that created a character like Selzar in the first place Post-Fzoarn, with a semi-griefer mentality.

Think about that for a minute.

gr

I still don't see anything showing that conjurer in range in that this phantom log.

The only thing I have seen, is twist admitting to jumping on me after I attacked Drothgar, which is not the timestamps that Scarabaeus is posting. It does show his exemplerary RP in getting the next kill.

You don't make a great cheerleader, at all. STFU?

And have the nerve to try and defend your actions?

kys, stat

nt

Anyone on this MUD knows who you are playing within 10 seconds of interacting with you because there is no other player in CF who is such an epic cock wallet.

But you know, maybe you've just played Chaotic ####head with every character you've ever played on CF.

A quick log grep shows that the first time Selzar ever fought Drothgar was the next day.

03/04/2012 12:43:17 <25 Human Ran> Selzar initiated combat (call lightning) with <28 Dwarf War> (WANTED) Drothgar at (The Village of Azuremain)

I don't have the access you do, and I'm getting tired of it.

I'm not talking about Drothgar in Azuremain, I'm talking about Drothgar around Galadon and Caitlyan on Eastern road.

I'm just done with this.

Don't you have another area/religion to finish closing because you RP so well you can't deal with morts?

Oh wait I got it, you're working on on building races no one wants to play?

No.. you jumping on the #### with Rogue wagon. That's right. My bad.

Cranky little thing, aren't you?

I happened to read part of this thread and was curious who was misremembering what happened, so I did a quick grep of the logs to see. Selzar's first fight with Caitlyan took place a day before Selzar's first fight with Drothgar, so it looks like you're the one who misremembered how the relationship between Selzar and Caitlyan began.

People misremember things; get over it. I'm not lording the information over you, so this whole persecution thing you have going on is just ridiculous.

"so this whole persecution thing you have going on is just ridiculous."


For someone working on fininishing a doctorate, you haven't read #### lately on this website, have you?

Maybe I'm cranky lately because I have been under fire. On top of that, *You* admin, have done nothing about it but join the club.

Cranky little thing?

Please.

Your facade doesn't impress me, it never has. It might work with the cattle, but not me.

Enjoy your 'tea break'.

Maybe its because you have #### for brains.

Fere libinter homines id qoud volunt credunt

It's true that I haven't had time to keep up with discussions here. However, acting like I'm a source of persecution is actually ridiculous. I think you misremembered something and I corrected it based on objective log data. If that is somehow shaming to you, or if you feel the need to lash out about it, that's your problem. The fact that you can't shut up about it and move on just got you banned here.

Tea was nice, thanks.

I am still sad you aren't gonna be interacting as much any more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

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Ficta voluptatis causa sint proxima veris....Nisi sunt Rogue.....et si sunt....Irrumabo veritatem!

List all incidents of Selzar, Caitlyan and Drothgar attacking each other in the logs. Up to you if it is worth your time.

I honestly don't care enough to take the time. I'm about to break for tea and saw Rogue had replied to me. I swear, does this game just attract socially/emotionally broken people?

That's why I'm here. I notice everyone that plays is emotionally handicapped and socially outcast (including you mister), so I joined the club. Always good to be around your peers.

Sure, drinking tea, cackling, speaking in latin, and letting cockroaches live in your empty eye sockets for affect is a neat persona, but it certainly isn't the social norm.

> Stupid square bracket html nonsense.)

Post as plain text next time you have brackets like that.

As for the log, it just goes to show that Rogue has a selective memory. The dwarf is ten hours earlier, so that hasn't got much to do with the log. Rogue remembered the hamstring, but not the fact that he aggravated Caitlyan himself with a call lightning 15 seconds before it.

And bandwagoning less.


The dwarf in question was Drothgar, nod Eldras.

My last post on this also highlighted that.

Just because Scar. chimed in, doesn't mean he is referencing the correct situation. Just because Twist fabricated a log, doesn't mean he is either.

Twist doesn't have the log, nor has it been posted. Yes, he posted a log that occurred before the situation I originally referenced, and I did not dispute that at any point in time.

The fact. still. remains.

His villager app jumped me right after I fought a berserker and was fleeing from him, and I attacked him because a conjurer was not in my PK range.

This has not been proven otherwise with any logs.

You people can jump my case all you want, he can create whatever test ports all he wants, there is not a single "fact" or real log that shows otherwise.

What he can do, is threadlock my deletion thread, and let anyone/everyone post whatever they hell they want towards me, attack me personally, and continue to break posted forum policies because of whatever crawled up his butt.


Get off my nuts.