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BeastSat 06-Sep-03 02:02 AM
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#2189, "Two-handed paladins"


  

          

Here's a thought I always had and wondered about, and correct me if I'm wrong, but can't storm giant paladins with the two-handed sword dedication, use the skills with a shield on? Even if not, seems a bit...well, a big boost to just remove your shield when you want to use a skill. Just something I thought I'd ask and bring up.

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Reply RE: Two-handed paladins, Arvam, 06-Sep-03 03:18 AM, #1
     Reply Agreed. and:, nepenthe, 08-Sep-03 10:59 AM, #2
     Reply Quick question., Urden, 08-Sep-03 03:39 PM, #3
          Reply I know everyone has a different opinion on this, incognito, 08-Sep-03 04:37 PM, #4
          Reply I'm not interested in opinions. nt, Urden, 08-Sep-03 04:39 PM, #5
               Reply Then what do you want, the formula? (n.txt), Zepachu, 08-Sep-03 04:40 PM, #6
                    Reply I'd like an Imm to responed with factual information.nt, Urden, 08-Sep-03 05:10 PM, #8
                         Reply RE: I'd like an Imm to responed with factual informatio..., Evil Genius (Anonymous), 08-Sep-03 06:09 PM, #10
          Reply RE: Quick question., Zulghinlour, 08-Sep-03 05:52 PM, #9
     Reply A (tangential) question on 2h-paladins, Calion, 08-Sep-03 05:01 PM, #7

ArvamSat 06-Sep-03 03:18 AM
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#2190, "RE: Two-handed paladins"
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A storm giant can't use the 2-hander skills while using a shield. The idea is you have to have both hands on the weapon, even if you're big enough to use the weapon in one hand.

As for your second point, I'd actually say that wearing a shield as a storm giant 2-hander will hurt you more than help you most of the time.

  

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nepentheMon 08-Sep-03 10:59 AM
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#2202, "Agreed. and:"
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>As for your second point, I'd actually say that wearing a
>shield as a storm giant 2-hander will hurt you more than help
>you most of the time.

I can think of times I'd want to wear a shield as a storm giant two-hander paladin, however, most of them not only don't involve player vs. player action, they nearly demand that I feel fairly sure that no one will be able to try to kill me at that moment, either.

  

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UrdenMon 08-Sep-03 03:39 PM
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#2203, "Quick question."
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I am sure this has been talked about before...but I must have missed it.

Can you give me a break-down of how "parry" effectiveness improves/worsens
depending on whether you're dual-wielding, single-wielding, wielding a
two-handed weapon, and a spear? When wielding a staff/spear/or polearm
does your parry skill go nuts? You can call this the "nitty-gritty"
stuff, but it's nothing that a real-person in a real situation wouldn't
be able to discern. I just want to know if the logic of having an improved
parrying ability when you have both hands on your weapon applies in CF.

Bizarro I'm helping!

  

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incognitoMon 08-Sep-03 04:37 PM
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#2204, "I know everyone has a different opinion on this"
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everyone has a different opinion on this, but I think that you can tell quite clearly from the game. If my impression is correct though, it isn't quite as simple as a two handed weapon parries better than a one handed weapon, or a dual wield parries better than a single wield.

  

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UrdenMon 08-Sep-03 04:39 PM
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#2205, "I'm not interested in opinions. nt"
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nt

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ZepachuMon 08-Sep-03 04:40 PM
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#2206, "Then what do you want, the formula? (n.txt)"
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nt

  

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UrdenMon 08-Sep-03 05:10 PM
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#2209, "I'd like an Imm to responed with factual information.nt"
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nt

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Evil Genius (inactive user)Mon 08-Sep-03 06:09 PM
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#2211, "RE: I'd like an Imm to responed with factual informatio..."
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two handed weapons parry better.
you can class a weapon as two handed i believe if you do not wield in your offhand (ie felar)

that's a rehashed quote from twist from about 5 years ago

  

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ZulghinlourMon 08-Sep-03 05:52 PM
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#2210, "RE: Quick question."
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>I am sure this has been talked about before...but I must have
>missed it.
>
>Can you give me a break-down of how "parry" effectiveness
>improves/worsens
>depending on whether you're dual-wielding, single-wielding,
>wielding a
>two-handed weapon, and a spear? When wielding a staff/spear/or
>polearm
>does your parry skill go nuts? You can call this the
>"nitty-gritty"
>stuff, but it's nothing that a real-person in a real situation
>wouldn't
>be able to discern. I just want to know if the logic of having
>an improved
>parrying ability when you have both hands on your weapon
>applies in CF.

Not sure if I totally follow your line of questioning, but I believe this'll answer your question. A two-handed dedicated paladin using two-hands on his weapon, parries better than someone wielding a single weapon.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

  

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CalionMon 08-Sep-03 05:01 PM
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#2208, "A (tangential) question on 2h-paladins"
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Would it be feasible to allow 2-handers dedicate to polearms and staffs, too? As in they'd have the choice to dedicate to <poles> (polearm/staff) OR <mace/sword>. Both seem perfectly viable main weapons for a paladin, polearm for the standard crusader while staff perhaps for the more pilgrim type. I think some added variety among paladins would be nice, also CHARGE and PUGIL (though less so) would finally be useful skills for them (additionally you could specialize templar's defense moves so that some work with poles while others with sword/mace, though I don't think that's necessary). I wonder why this option isn't available, is it because the slight increase in power for polearm/staff-dedicants vs. certain opponents would be unbalancing?

  

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