Mon Jun 15 19:35:39 2009

At 10 o'clock AM, Day of the Great Gods, 5th of the Month of the Spring
on the Theran calendar Susubienko perished, never to return.

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Well played man, I've been on both sides of this character
and from the mage side I had nothing but respect for susu.
I knew if you was logged in I'd have to watch my ###. I saw
you killing mage's in galadon, while Wanted then getting out
scott free. Susu had more balls than most players, and it
just amazed me how the other mage's seemed to be so pissy
about her doing her job. I never had that kinda hate for you.
Now my mage detested you, but not me. From the other side of
the coin though. My rager had nothing but the utmost respect
for susu. Every time I heard so and so filth has seen nothing
but death i just gave a little chuckle and said glad it wasn't
me this time. After reading your role, I totally get susu and
why she was like she was. The one and only problem I had with
her was the spitting after you just waxed someones ###. Even
in a game that's just not cool to me, but hey like i said
after reading the role i get it. Now the rager is still running
around so I won't reveal it to everyone, but If you remeber
telling me to keep a watch over them, then you'll know who
I am. I had hoped to be more involved with you once i hero'd
but it just didn't happen. As a player i think i would have
learned a ton from you. So i say #### all the haters man and
keep coming back with #### like this to shake things up.

Thanks, I'm glad you "got it" and understood, from both sides. Yes, I do remember you and I think you're doing a good job so far, so keep that up.

Yeah, here's why I would spit (the emote generally, not actually on the character) when a mage returned. It was to show I had no respect for them. I made the decision not to loot most people, and I didn't want them to think that coming back to a full or near full corpse meant there was some sort of comraderie or mutual respect thing from her (purely character-wise, that is). Didn't want them to think she was one of those "Hey, she killed me, but it's all good, here's my stuff, let's talk about it and we can all be friends now!" characters. Not looting them at all, I figured the spitting on the ground when they returned would get a similar point across, that she hates them, isn't in any way respecting them, and will do it again.

Make sense?

I felt like this character had quite a bit of substance. Having read the role and watching from a distance, I felt like you played the character as it should have been played although she leaned a bit more towards evil than neutral.

You're right in some regards, I think the playerbase is a little more in tune with the feelings and emotions of the player rather than the character standing in front of them. I'd like to see a little more checking out of the player at the skull but that's a humble opinion.

In the Thror quest you played a great role and did a great job of spearheading my return. Many thanks. Without you or Woldrun I really wouldn't have come back for another month. I also did quite a bit of planning for the quest but couldn't deliver in game due to screwing up emotes and commands. Thanks for your patience on this.

I will say that several things did rub me raw. You prayed - a lot. It got a little annoying at times.

I felt like you weren't content with your reward. I had several other rewards lined up but I felt like the con was really more suitable.

Keepin in character (as mentioned above) also means you have to understand your own mortality with specific mobs and Immortals. You crossed that line with the Wyrm in my quest (he should have just smashed most of the villagers that snuffed themselves at him) and your comment towards Thror late in your life.

I really, really didn't want to interrupt your drill and understand the effort you put towards it - but a Lich was online and wasn't being threatened by a single Villager. He was killing people left and right with no threat to his actions. It was almost an abomination to a God of Battle - that his village wasn't out hunting it.

From an Imm standpoint there is a level of respect (as a BattleRager) and as a mortal that you have to uphold. It was water under the bridge after I addressed it but it definately wasn't a bright spot on your resume for this character.

Well played. Hopefully all the negativity doesn't dissuade you from creating another character.

FYI - That was a crazy wall of text!

that you were drunk the first night the quest was getting kicked off. It was me (Firhindil), Susu, and Malakhi at the destructor and he was talking to us. It was, well, a bit awkward if I might say so.

Glad you're back. You're one of my faves.

>I felt like this character had quite a bit of substance.
>Having read the role and watching from a distance, I felt like
>you played the character as it should have been played
>although she leaned a bit more towards evil than neutral.
>
>You're right in some regards, I think the playerbase is a
>little more in tune with the feelings and emotions of the
>player rather than the character standing in front of them.
>I'd like to see a little more checking out of the player at
>the skull but that's a humble opinion.

I agree.

>
>In the Thror quest you played a great role and did a great job
>of spearheading my return. Many thanks. Without you or
>Woldrun I really wouldn't have come back for another month. I
>also did quite a bit of planning for the quest but couldn't
>deliver in game due to screwing up emotes and commands.
>Thanks for your patience on this.
>

Things like that are one of the reasons I, and I know others, play in the first place. Don't thank me, thank you.

>I will say that several things did rub me raw. You prayed - a
>lot. It got a little annoying at times.
>

Alright, I'll work on that. It would be helpful if you might specify which types of prays though. The "I dedicate this to you, Lady Yean" or things like that? "There is a weird echo here, thought you'd want to know" stuff? "I found a bunch of equ here and think it might be a multi-charring possibility" stuff? Those are just examples, I know there were other kinds. Just let me know what. I'm really honestly asking, not being sarcastic. I don't need excess reasons for people to harsh on my characters.

>I felt like you weren't content with your reward. I had
>several other rewards lined up but I felt like the con was
>really more suitable.
>

I wasn't. Not at all. And part of the reason is your fault, I have to say. You *asked* me what I want. So I told you. I even provided the item for you to "cobble" up from. If you hadn't asked me what I want, I wouldn't have asked about it a few times like I did. But you did, so I did. And as I mentioned below, normally, getting leader-ified means you get some con. I definitely would much rather have had something cool, some of that hidden lore we all talked about, anything at all, than 2 con. Two con by the way which meant I ended up at a negative 1 con for the quest, with nothing else to show for it. And yes, I know, we all do it for the fun, but we all also like the fun extra stuff we get when we participate and spend about 50-100 hours on a quest over two months and drop 3 con. Something. I got 2 con. Which I was going to get anyway from Yean, but then didn't because you gave it to me for your quest. You understand how that can be frustrating I hope. And no, I'm not saying I should have gotten some crazy quest skill that was an I win button. And you know that what I asked for was really nothing special game balance wise. So I hope people don't chime in with something like that.

>Keepin in character (as mentioned above) also means you have
>to understand your own mortality with specific mobs and
>Immortals. You crossed that line with the Wyrm in my quest
> he should have just smashed most of the villagers that
>snuffed themselves at him) and your comment towards Thror late
>in your life.
>

Maybe, but as you say, then we all did it. We were all doing the same thing at that point, I wasn't any different than Woldrun or Kale or the others. We can disagree on whether someone should have bent their neck and given up pride or not, I know Woldrun and I and most of the villagers think not, but you obviously do. And that's cool, we're allowed to disagree. But I don't see this as a criticism of me more than anyone else in the village at the time.

>I really, really didn't want to interrupt your drill and
>understand the effort you put towards it - but a Lich was
>online and wasn't being threatened by a single Villager. He
>was killing people left and right with no threat to his
>actions. It was almost an abomination to a God of Battle -
>that his village wasn't out hunting it.
>

Yeah, I gotta say, I think this was a ####ish move. You've been a good guy over the years and I don't think it's a game changer, but really, it was total crap. Let's be honest, it was *not* an ic thing. You weren't even visible for the drill. But you made the *OOC* decision to vis and then tell everyone to go hunt the lich. You can't say it was an abomination to you because you weren't even there, weren't even visible, until you decided you wanted to be, as you, the player, to go ahead and do what you did. That was a pure ooc decision. And it was wrong, in my opinion. Wrong for the game. PK'ing happens all the time. It's what people, especially ragers, are doing virtually 24/7. And the lich has been around for months, and will be for months. So why this one night, the one unique night when a player had organized and sponsored an event, did you choose to make a point of saying people should hunt the lich? It's just as ic realistic to say that having the complete drill would make them better hunters to actually succeed in hunting the lich, but cutting it off deprived them of that education. Whatver. You ruined the exact thing the staff always talk about, having players create rp, having players drive events, having players make things happen, and not just waiting for imms to do stuff. I did that, and you came down and slammed it shut midway through.

And as an aside, if you look at pbf's, you'll see that anyone who ever sponsors and runs an event gets some imm love for it, even if it's just a minute 20 xp, just a pat on the head to say hey, good job, thanks for doing it. Susu got nothing. And I don't much care about it, but it is more support for my point elsewhere about not getting imm love, at all.

>From an Imm standpoint there is a level of respect (as a
>BattleRager) and as a mortal that you have to uphold. It was
>water under the bridge after I addressed it but it definately
>wasn't a bright spot on your resume for this character.
>
>Well played. Hopefully all the negativity doesn't dissuade
>you from creating another character.
>

It won't, I'll be back soon enough. If for nothing else I need a char to go into the village and see Susu's name on the pillar!

>FYI - That was a crazy wall of text!

Yeah, I gotta say, I think this was a ####ish move. You've been a good guy over the years and I don't think it's a game changer, but really, it was total crap. Let's be honest, it was *not* an ic thing.

- How was is it not an IC thing for the God of Battle to not want a Lich dead? Please try to justify why it wouldn't be in my interest to see it happen.

- I actually didn't just barge into visibility and say "everyone go hunt the lich." I made mention that there was a stench in the air that needed to be removed and I had not a single person in a village with 10 hero villagers move an inch. I felt it was a perfect opportunity for village leadership to jump up and use it as an exercise without me being blunt and telling you what to do. Once I was ignored, I came outright and told you what to do.

- When people finally did take decide to hunt the lich, some pretty memorable moments (for me at least) came out of it. The Lich nearly died three times and spent the rest of the evening looking over his shoulder. Mission accomplished imo.

You weren't even visible for the drill. But you made the *OOC* decision to vis and then tell everyone to go hunt the lich.

- I was around for the Drill but not visible. I felt like doing so would warrant a 'reward' of sorts from you and I guess my gut feeling was right.

So why this one night, the one unique night when a player had organized and sponsored an event, did you choose to make a point of saying people should hunt the lich?

- I had actually been online for roughly every night in the past two weeks at the same time. The same members of Battle people had been online every night prior to this drill with absolutely no competition. The night that you held the drill held about 6 transmuters, and a lich to deal with. There sat the village, playing pattie-cake while casters ran around uncontested. From an OOC perspective, I felt like I shouldn't interrupt but from an IC perspective that just wasn't acceptable.

And as an aside, if you look at pbf's, you'll see that anyone who ever sponsors and runs an event gets some imm love for it, even if it's just a minute 20 xp, just a pat on the head to say hey, good job, thanks for doing it. Susu got nothing.

- I don't think people should feel entitled to rewards. I'm still very old school and you have to do something that really impresses me to get any form of a reward. Is this wrong? Probably. I still have a lot of Imm culture to catch up to.

>Yeah, I gotta say, I think this was a ####ish move. You've
>been a good guy over the years and I don't think it's a game
>changer, but really, it was total crap. Let's be honest, it
>was *not* an ic thing.
>
>- How was is it not an IC thing for the God of Battle to not
>want a Lich dead? Please try to justify why it wouldn't be in
>my interest to see it happen.

Come on, don't play games. You were online but wizi. You were 100% ooc, being staff, not being "Thror". Nobody knew you were around, you didn't have to say or do anything ic. It was a choice you made. You decided to vis and say something. Nothing forced you to do that, it was you the player deciding that you wanted people to do something, so you went vis, went ic, and made them do it. *That's* the ooc decision, and that's what matters. The question is, why did you do it?

Obviously every rager and every rager imm always wants every mage dead all the time. There is never a time you wouldn't want mages dead. But everyone knows that's not possible. You have to sleep. You have to eat. You have to train. Etc. This was exactly that.

What makes it worse is that you chose this one unique night to do it. The lich has been around what, six months? A year? And it's a lich, it can't age die. And it's not in any jeopardy of con dying. So why was that one particular night the night you felt you needed to vis and go ic and do what you did? There was no reason. It was an event being held specifically to make them better fighters, it was an rp event, and it was a one time only thing. You chose to step in and ruin the second half of it. Yes, of course "Thror" wants a lich dead. But no more than everyone else. And you, the player, decided to assume that role and go vis and enforce that desire. There was no need to, and it was a bad decision.

Please don't try to justify it as some ic decision. If that were the case, where were Yean and Kastelyn and Ysal and any other battle god? They want the same thing as much as anyone. But they didn't step in and call off the event midway through. Why? Because either they didn't think it was a good idea to do so, or because they weren't there. I'm guessing the latter. A purely ooc thing. Just like you're decision to go from wizi imm to vis thror was a pure ooc decision. You could have waited until it was over and then said something like "Well, finally, I'm glad you're done with all that, now go use what you learned and bring me that lich's bony head!" or something like that. But instead you chose to interrupt and mess up a player driven event. Bad form.

>- I was around for the Drill but not visible. I felt like
>doing so would warrant a 'reward' of sorts from you and I
>guess my gut feeling was right.
>

So you're saying you stayed wizi, a decision you made before it even started, because you wanted to make sure you wouldn't give the character some sort of reward? Really? Don't you think that's petty? And let's be clear, when I said people usually get some sort of reward, I specifically said it was trivial, a pat on the head. A statement from the imm saying "Good job" or literally 1xp. Nothing that actually benefits the character, but just conveys the thought. And you didn't even want to do that. Way to inspire and encourage people to try and create rp and activities for the mud.

>So why this one night, the one unique night when a player had
>organized and sponsored an event, did you choose to make a
>point of saying people should hunt the lich?
>
>- I had actually been online for roughly every night in the
>past two weeks at the same time. The same members of Battle
>people had been online every night prior to this drill with
>absolutely no competition. The night that you held the drill
>held about 6 transmuters, and a lich to deal with. There sat
>the village, playing pattie-cake while casters ran around
>uncontested. From an OOC perspective, I felt like I shouldn't
>interrupt but from an IC perspective that just wasn't
>acceptable.
>

See, you knew it was wrong, but you did it anyway. YOU aren't Thror, you're a game administrator. You knew what you were doing was wrong and going to ruin a player activity, and really not for any good reason. Everyone hunts the lich and the mages all the time. These two game hours weren't going to change anything. Except by either encouraging or discouraging player driven rp. You sadly chose the latter.

>And as an aside, if you look at pbf's, you'll see that anyone
>who ever sponsors and runs an event gets some imm love for it,
>even if it's just a minute 20 xp, just a pat on the head to
>say hey, good job, thanks for doing it. Susu got nothing.
>
>- I don't think people should feel entitled to rewards. I'm
>still very old school and you have to do something that really
>impresses me to get any form of a reward. Is this wrong?
>Probably. I still have a lot of Imm culture to catch up to.

See my point above. We're not talking about getting anything actually useful, like an edge or real immxp or any of that. We're talking about something that simply conveys the "Hey, cool, thanks for doing it, way to be proactive and bring more rp and action to the mud without having to wait for imm driven events."

In any event, like I said in my first post, I like you and I think you were a good imm back then and I'm sure you'll continue in that. This was one bad decision. I go through it now because I think it's something to consider for the future. If this were another player, a newer one perhaps, I imagine he or she would be much more turned off to the mud, feeling like he or she'd been flipped off for doing what they thought was something the staff wanted. That's all I guess.

asf

I gave you the opportunity to make the decision on your own first.

I don't necessarily think this was a bad decision. Maybe we'll get some responses from other Battle members who could chime in. If there is a consensus then I'll concede. I think you just wanted to have control over the situation and once you lost control you decided to flip out and go OOC. In hindsight, Thror would have and probably should have booted you on the spot.

I guess you'll have to get used to a lot of bad immortal decisions if you can't get the concept of RP vs Administration understood.

Rather than continue this wall of text debate, I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you.

Although I guess I'm getting a first hand perspective of what everyone seems to be talking about regarding you as a player.

This may also be a little difficult for you to swallow since it's the bitter response you've been giving (on these boards)other players for your IC abrasiveness -

Immortals have roles also. While some things we do might seem '####ish' as you put it, it is part of our character and our cabal responsibility to respond in a particular way.

You really need to get a better grasp on what faith is (the concept of an omniscent being) and the idea that it isn't turned on and off by a "wizi flag" in game.

You're not getting it, and I don't know why, so I'll try a last time, in short.

The character thror did nothing wrong.

The player did. Why? Because you're not, in fact, omniscient, and not, in fact, online 24/7. Just like you said in the Tabius thread, imms dont actually see everything, know everything, aren't online 24/7. The decision to go visible and act as the character is an ooc decision. If you hadn't been online, it wouldn't have happened. It's not as though "Thror" would have done this no matter what. It only happened because you happened to be online, and decided to make yourself visible, and do what you did. That's purely ooc, purely a player decision.

The ooc fact of you're being online, and the ooc choice to go from wizi and unknown to the players to visible and known to the players was yours, not "thror"'s, and that's what I'm talking about. The theory that imm's are omniscient is all well and good in-game but we know better, and it's a choice by each imm-player when to use that knowledge or even try to get it. And of course it's also driven by when you're actually on-line or not, an ooc thing. And you decided that you were going to interrupt a 2 hour event created by a mortal to tell the players to do what they always did anyway, and that would be done for months to come. Just doesn't make sense.

with varying numbers of words??? everything you write boils down to i'm right you're wrong and there's no point discussing it. sorry graatch, you're being a tool.


Cheers,
Jhyrb

I said, NMFT.

>And as an aside, if you look at pbf's, you'll see that anyone
>who ever sponsors and runs an event gets some imm love for it,
>even if it's just a minute 20 xp, just a pat on the head to
>say hey, good job, thanks for doing it. Susu got nothing.
>And I don't much care about it, but it is more support for my
>point elsewhere about not getting imm love, at all.

Generally speaking, the people who are putting on events are primarily
Heralds. Yeah, they get a lot of IMM love if they put on events. That's
a big part of the cabal. Usually getting them to do this is like pulling
teeth, so I'm working off positive reinforcement here. Plus they've
chosen to be Heralds rather than be involved in some other cabal that
might possibly offer them a more rewarding playing experience. I think
it's great that someone still wants to join this cabal, and so they get
more props than other people who might put on so-called events.

That's just how I roll.

1. You just ####ing age-died a Battlerager. I don't
know about the average player, but I've been
around quite a long time, and hitting the hero
range with more than single-digit con, has never
been a consistant experience, even at my level.

I have a ton of respect for that.


2. You ran Drillmistress, (imho) likely against the
peoples pick, given the plethra of whiney assholes
that complain when they take IC personal, and go
personal IC because they can't make up the difference
or at least differentiate it, most of the time. A
lot of folks were gunning for you, and you stood
your ground, racked your kills, and put in the true
passion as a player, with your time. Weather folks
liked/despised you, you were there for them IC, one
way or another. A lot of people didn't see this, because
they can't handle the "bad guy".


I have a ton of respect for that, too.


3. IC, I didn't like you either. I will say I am suprised
to see true neutral though, I had you pegged for evil
all along, with your consistant placement of your emotion
and passions, at all times. You were simply too driven to
be anything but. You went above and beyond, and tried very
hard, also performing very well in your extracurricular
quests with the Battle cabal. I will say I thanked you for
it, and gauging by your humble and quiet-like response,
I knew that the player appreciated it, and that's when I
began to understand your character, and try to mesh with
it IC as well, even more.



Well done Susubienko, you'll be missed.

Good times. Achieved most of the things I wanted, and had fun. Lots and lots of haters I see though, and really it's unwarranted. I'll explain why of course.

Even more than some of my characters in the past, this one proves how much greater perception is over fact. People seem to think they are entitled to talk to anyone they want, and have them respond like your cousin in cleveland, catching up, telling your life story, making plans to see a movie when you're in town. It's ridiculous, particularly when, as here, you're talking about mortal enemies. Take Khalla for instance. You want to make me look bad by talking about using ignore, but I ignored you - in the normal use of that word - for days but you kept pestering and sending tells and obviously trying in fact to be a real griefer, so I finally just told you to shut up and stop talking to me, which you paid no attention to, and so I "ignored" you by using the command. Yet you want to pretend that somehow I've done something wrong, that I'm being cheap by putting you on ignore. Ridiculous. And I only use you as an example, there are many like you, many who took pot shots at the char over its life. I created the role specifically so I wouldn't have to participate in such conversations, it's in the role, and yet people want to complain that they couldn't get to talk to me and that when I did, it was full of hate. Well fancy that, someone who continues to talk to you despite being told not to, and who hates you, and whose whole life was dedicated to killing you, isn't going to be sweet to you. It boggles my mind that people think something's wrong there.

And let's be clear, other than once or twice, I don't think I ever initiated a conversation with a mageclass character. I didn't seek out opportunities to talk #### to them. And every time one of them sent me tells I tried to ignore them (again, meaning the real word itself, simply not responding) or responded by telling them not to talk to me, in lovely colorful language. People who insisted on trying to talk to me, despite being told not to, why is it wrong to repeat the instruction not to talk to me, with greater invective, and then to ignore when they don't comply yet again? Explain to me why I should have to listen to tells from people I don't want to, and that were not invited in any way? Most of which were complaints or insults to me anyway?

So to the person below who posted that they felt real hate from this char, then I say thanks, that means I succeeded. Any enemy was supposed to feel hated and despised to their very core. I the player don't hate you, hell I'm thankful you and the rest are here; if you weren't, with whom would I play? Who would I pk?

The other side of course was that the first half of her life (and there's a role entry about when it changed I think) she was damaged goods. Not really ready to be friendly with anyone, which was part of why she was so excited (role) to learn to kill from the shadows. Just her and just her prey, nobody else, nobody to bother with, nobody to have to worry about, nothing but her strength and skill against the enemy's. I'm sure nobody noticed, but I never used the smile or laugh or any similar emote until about halfway through her life, at which point she felt sufficiently at home in the village to start thinking of them as her family. As her role makes clear, family was a big source of anger and pain for her, and even thinking of it made her crazy, until she aged enough to move on. At which point she was more congenial to her villager brothers and sisters. Would laugh and smile and make jokes and such. Like I said, I doubt anyone noticed it really, at least not consciously, but there you have it, I did it.

Along those lines she was very, very, very touchy about being called "him", being mistaken for a man. I cut a bit of slack if it was from someone who never saw me visible, but honestly it happened most with people standing right there while I was visible, or from people in tells who obviously could see me to speak to me and so should have known she was female. That's often what she meant when she said to someone they were blind, because they'd call her a man to her face. Imagine calling a woman a man while standing right next to her. I doubt any of you can honestly fault a less than pleasant response.

Also, people really wanted to lump her with berserkers. I suspect because she was so successful in the pre-assassinate levels and so they wanted to be able to say "well, she's a berserker, so I can blame my loss on that". To the point where people would post logs of her, call her a berserker, but never see deathblow or thirst. It obviously annoyed me but what can you do. Later, I think they used it as an excuse to gang her, though at that point I have to assume they knew she was a scout and just did it anyway.

Speaking of gangs, that brings me to the looting thing. Again, perception and lies trumps truth and fact. I rarely took more than two or three things from any corpse I made, often taking absolutely nothing at all (other than coins, of course). When she did take things it was to wear herself, to give to another villager, or to give to Tahren. I don't think people pay enough attention to the concept of giving magic items to Tahren to strengthen the veil. The game mechanics are set up for it, but people seem to think that if a person you kill has it, it's off limits from taking to give to Tahren. I totally disagree with this. Obviously I didn't take everything or even most things, but if I saw a particularly powerful item (an orb, a breastplate of dwarven ribcage, scream of the damned, whatever) then I'd take that one magic item in particular to give to Tahren. Even with that, if I took more than two or three things from most people I killed, it was unusual.

But then there were the people who decided that they wanted to gang her. Or people that full or near full looted her. Well, she prized strength. If people fought her alone, she at least gave props for that. But she viewed gangs as the epitome of weakness, and if you came at her in a gang, when you could have come at her alone, then she saw no reason to make it easier for you next time so she would take more. Same if you took most or all of her things when she did fall to your gang. Perfect examples here are my wins over Mirfalaus early and late. I rarely took anything at all from his corpses (I beat him all the time when we were around the same level, then when he was six or seven levels older, and thus had skills - owaza in particular - that I didn't, he kicked my ass, then when I leveled up again I kicked his ass) and that's because "mageslave scum" though he was, he would at least fight his own fights. Conversely, the last time I killed Sulzaen for example, I took half the things in the corpse, because he and Lirieleth killed me together, and they took most of my things. Turnabout is fair play, and neither had ever killed me alone (I'd killed Sulzaen alone twice before and taken very little.)

And if anyone doubts my looting claims, I have virtually all of my kills logged and I can post them, showing the kill and the looting, or lack thereof. Like me or don't like me the logs don't lie, and neither do I.

Then it seems there were complaints about her fighting. Similar to people thinking her to be a berserker, people thought to treat her the same as they would a berserker, or more importantly, a warrior. She wasn't. She was an assassin. And unlike, say, my last hero assassin Loborguz, Susu was an assassinate-y assassin, not a warrior-y assassin. Sure she fought regular combat and did well, but that wasn't her goal, and given the choice she always tried the assassinate option first. This seems to upset people. In one instance, referred to below, a villager went to the giant and defended against people while I waited. What is conveniently left out is my saying, BEFORE that villager went to the giant, that I was going to study one of them and not fight at the giant yet, and that I wouldn't be there, and so he should wait too, or at least know I wouldn't be there fighting as well. This person decided to go anyway, and then later complains. I knew they wouldn't be able to finish the giant in one go around, and I was right, and they went to the blackclaw healer, and I assassinated the mage. Exactly as I said I would, before that villager got killed. I am sorry he got killed, but please let's not try to blame it on me. Warriors fight like warriors. Assassinating assassins fight like assassinating assassins.

Oh, speaking of assassinating, let me mention one thing: the absolute, one hundred percent, no doubt, no two ways about it BEST and most useful rager power for assassinate? Not resist. Not spellbane. No, it's spell evasion. That ability ####ing rocks. Once it got to the mid-80s it was amazingly reliable. I recall sitting through not one, not two, not five, not ten but thirteen - 13!! - faerie fogs at the maran, evading each one, time after time. I could sit there while antipaladins and invokers fireballed, conjurers flashed, muters fogged, all of it. Only healers with that suffusion or whatever thing got me reliably, so of course I hated that. But really, I'm telling you, the one thing that being a rager gave me to help in the assassinating was evasion, and it's almost reason enough to make another rager assassin.

Almost, but not quite. Because while spell evasion was great, being a rager made it so much harder to assassinate. I could have perfected it and had many, many more assassinations if I were anything else, or nothing at all. I'm sure many of you will be surprised, and wouldn't have thought of it, but the single biggest bar to getting assssinations? Other ragers. I can't tell you how many times I'd be stalking someone and some other rager would find them, not see me hiding of course, and just walk up and attack, more often than not letting them get away with word or teleport. Sometimes I said something but more often than not I just grimaced, did a fistshake emote, and moved on. Also, being a rager means I had to walk everywhere, and back. I routinely checked most of the ranking spots (people were safe from me in water spots, she hated water, though I did check ruins of the deep prety often), and walked from Calandryl to Ceawlin and Aturi, Barovia and the Dale to Mal'trakis and Whistlewood. And let me tell you, stalking someone for a few hours in Seantryn only to have them recall and then go somewhere else was very frustrating. If I were a non-rager I could simply recall too, and have a high likelihood of finding them. But as a rager I had to walk all the way back and try to find the trail. Not impossible, and I did it a few times, but much harder. And of course I didn't have friends with gate, or teleport, or word of recall, or tesseract or any of that to help me check lots of areas.

And, finally, being a rager meant I didn't have ragers to assassinate. Ragers are by far the easiset targets, even with someone like me to keep them aware when online. They have only one exit from the cabal, and they must use it. Contrast that with every other cabal where I could stalk someone and they would just teleport or word out rather than walk out, and there's nothing I could do about it. (And of course that was smart of them, I'm not saying they did anything wrong.) Ragers are generally predictable, generally available, and completely incapable of getting away from you other than simple walking. An assassin's wet dream. I'm actually surprised at how infrequent ragers are assassinated.

Next, one of the funniest things posted below was the comment on imm love, because Daevryn and Iunna are right, I got next to no imm love all the way through. A few examples. Use the search tool and look at the past drillmasters. They got con and xp when drillmastering. I got neither. Look at people who participated in big two month quests. They got all sorts of stuff. Hell, Azilaph got two legacies and a buttload of immxp. Susu, who used up three or four con on the quest, got 2 con as her reward. That's it. I think at one point during the middle part of the quest there was 1k in immxp given to the group who was there, so that too I suppose. But at the end? Two con. Less than she lost during the quest. The tattoo, as Yean mentioned, was really just a nod to longevity. The only other imm reward I got in almost six hundred hours were the role contest rewards, and that's not a show of imm love for the char. That's it. I have my suspicions why things went this way, but at this point it doesn't matter. In truth there's really only one thing left and we'll see how that goes. Empirically it's a no-brainer, but we don't live in that world so other things get tacked on to the considerations and might change the result. I remain hopeful.

As to the class, it's great fun. I had some frustrations with skill failure rate - and evidently the pfile was screwed up from the start, skills that shouldn't fail did (according to Zulgh, I'm not making this up) and nobody could figure out why. I have a few logs of missing kanset more than 10 times in a row, both before and after taking the kanset edge.

Also, there was a thread a while back about second and third and fourth attacks. I recall taking the imm side and saying that it's rare but it happens. Well, until my five hundred and fiftieth hour, I never once, not once, had more than four attacks in one round. I now go to the other side and say something's up there. I never got third attack in both weapons, or even third attack in one and second in the other. Whether dual wielding weapons or hands, it was always two and two or three and one (or fewer of course, got plenty of 2 and 1 or even 1 and 1 or even just plain 1 and 0). I recommend someone looking at that because it doesn't seem to make sense that it would never work at all. Rare is one thing, but this was cra-zy.

Hrm, what else. Oh, yes, someone accused me of not fighting people or logging off to avoid people. Simply untrue. Just because you didn't see me walk up and start attacking you, like a warrior, doesn't mean I wasn't trying to kill you, or that I was avoiding you. See my paragraph above about assassins not being the same as warriors, and assassinate-y assassins even less so. The perfect example here is Ahtieli. Theoretically if I were going to avoid someone, she would be near or at the top of that list, right? Except I tried to kill her, and stayed to fight, even when I didn't have the head. That's right, no resist, no spellbane, no critical hit, nothing. And when she came in a gang, I went out with Selene against her and her two or three cronies there. I figured out how to assassinate her but she never came alone again and I never got the chance to try. Sorry Daev, I tried. I would have loved to do it!

I avoided nobody, ever. Hell, as I mentioned above as well, once Mirfalaus and Porenn leveled up and were six or seven or eight or nine levels above me, they owned me, using owaza and doublespin kick, neither of which I had yet. I fought them repeatedly, as my pbf shows, dying to each more than once. But I fought them. I took the shot.

Shalsad, he owned me when he had the scales and I was wanted with shackles and guards and his forms. But I didn't avoid him and he got me.

The point is, her goal from the very beginning was to assassinate. Be the silent killer people feared. I succeeded in that. So if I didn't come running to fight someone in the open like a warrior berserker would, don't flatter yourself into thinking it was for any other reason than that.

What else, what else. Doing this sorta freeform. Oh, yes, the Tabius and related accusations. First, kicking him was 100% the right thing to do, as he himself admitted after all that drama. Maybe he told Woldrun and Yean about his personal history with Jedidiah, but not Susu, not when she asked him, and he didn't even know the plaque. I really should have kicked Kalderseg, too, the day before yesterday. Hell, he did something worse on top of it, lying to her. But in the end I decided he had more of a history in the cabal, so he'd earned more credit, and also having him send that note meant I could at least make it a learning experience for everyone, which being Yean follower meant a lot fo Susu. Don't mess up again Kald!

Second, the ancillary comments about Susu having done the same thing Tabius did. Wrong. Someone mentioned something about "constantly attacking the healer" or some such. Uh, ####. I attacked that elf healer Lonkamas or whatever his name is twice. And for specific reasons. And all around the time it happened. Why? Some ranger came to the ruins and camped at the grass path out. The ranger attacked me (I did not attack first, remember that). I of course fought back. Lornkamas sanc'd and healed the ranger as we fought. Now Lornk had protected people against me before, but always when I attacked them first, often when they were grouped exploring or leveling or what have you. I would fight the healer during those fights (dirt in the eyes to prevent healing, of course) but never pursued the healer after. Here though, the healer helped in an attack against me. I warned but it continued. So, I targetted twice in the next two days, just to send the lesson home. Never again after that - even though I found them in organia and yet again the healer saved the mage companion. Another example is Arrna. I didn't hunt or kill until the incident attacking the giant. There was one kill. And the warning not to do it again. And I never attacked Arrna again. And then there's Nacklewig. Nacklewig constantly helped scions and empire against us, healing them, sanc'ing them, doing whatever else. Nacklewig was warned. Once. Twice. Three times. Finally I followed through with the warning and assassinated, after it had been going on for weeks. Once. Never attacked again.

These are the only people I know of that were not enemies or who didn't make themselves enemies that I killed, so I don't know why people are complaining, and those that are, are obviously trying to create drama where there was none, just to smear my character. It happens, but it's still annoying. Hell, ask Jedidiah, I walked by him over and over and over, even when I was flagged, because he wasn't a mage or a mageslave. Did I want to punk his sorry ass? Of course. But I didn't.

Happiest kills: Victacar, Sulzaen, Sisawat. God I enjoyed those. Sulzaen because assassinating a competent, duo-happy scion transmuter is one of the harder things to do. Victacar because he constantly talked smack, constantly tried to pretend he played some sort of middle ground but really was just gaming the system, stealing and fighting against villagers that couldn't see him, but making nice talk with those that could, and he needed a major beat down. So he got it. Also, he'd jumped on my kills several times, including one in particular which had great village significance, I was fighting the Hildebran mob. Sisawat because he thought he could loot my corpses with impunity, like he did everyone else's. He couldn't.

Assassin edges: smoke and mirrors is a must. Having two bukis has ruined me for future assassins though, I'm not sure I could enjoy martial trance anymore without both. They totally rocked, and made that Victacar kill possible. Once I got that Zo Buki he was toast. The backfist edge was pretty good, I saw a definite upgrade in the number of backfists. Not a crazy amount, but at least one or two more in a fight than I would have had, I think. Exploit vulnerability didn't seem to do anything, to my anecdotal eyes. For example I got the same damage using the same wrath weapons against duerg before and after taking the edge. Both buki edges rocked. Rocked. I can't imagine the others being as good, but if they are that's impressive. The Ehren soul edges seemed to work pretty well, it's hard to know what's anti-gang code and what's edge, but whatever it was I saw several benefits. The master of kyusho-jitsu and then kanset edge both disappointed me. It's possible I don't understand exactly what they're supposed to do, but I thought the first was to be a bit of a boost to landing a kot or kans (as opposed to just missing outright) and a small increase in the -stats, meaning if normal kan would give you -6str now you'd get -7 or -8str. I think it probably worked out to be the latter, but not the former, because I certainly completely missed a lot. The latter edge, the kanset adept edge, was supposed to make hitting the full kanset, the screaming in pain one, more likely. I definitely didn't see that, in fact I really had the feeling I hit it *less* than I did before! I'm sure I'll be told that's not true but it really did feel that way, and I can show hours of fighting without hitting kanset at all, and of getting just a regular kanset, not the full screaming one. Remain conscious is hard to gauge as you don't know what would have happened without it, but I credit at least one failed blackjack after which I killed Damenous to the edge, and that alone made it worth it to me. Evasive, again, hard to gauge, but like Ehren edges I felt like I got a solid bonus and would take it again. Finally, it's the little ones that always matter in the end. Seasoned traveller. I took it late but just in time. I was fighting Gzurweeg and Veleknoss and they plagued me and I couldn't make it to the destructor. I had like 185hp and -80 or so mvs. But rather than come finish me, they took an hour or two one room away (they'd already killed the giant) to heal up and use preps. Well, my bindwounds cured the plague and having that one tick to rest got my moves up enough to get to the destructor, all because of Seasoned Traveler. You never know what's going to come in handy one day! Dispelling critical was fun to have, but really didn't work that often. For every time it dispelled one or two things, there were about a score or more where it dispelled nothing. But even having the chance was cool, and made people nervous. Though making them nervous probably worked against me either by having them bring more people or just not fighting at all. And it did add a bunch of spam to my screen seeing all the affects being unaffected. But whatever, it was cool.

I think that's it for topics. As for people, I'll echo what others have been saying, people whine way too much about any looting, at all, and part of the problem frankly is having people who think they can tell others that they're better just because they don't loot. I had someone say to me they wish I would take the high road, that I wouldn't be petty about looting, as though not looting is morally better, or somehow not petty. There is no such thing. One is not any morally better than the other. Worse, Gahdak for example once said that ragers shouldn't be looting enemy corpses, that it's not a rager thing to do, it's against village tradition and such. And that it makes it harder for other villagers. He tried to tell people not to loot at all. Ridiculous.

Oh, I forgot, the level sitting charges. People who think an arial assassin sitting in the high 30s is somehow gaming the system are just fools. Exp penalty means my enemies were mostly above me in level, not below. My targets had all or virtually all of their class abilities. Final forms. Full invoker shields. Second legacies. Etc. More, while in the 36-42 range I had the absolute widest possible range of targets. By hero I had the fewest. Hell, I couldn't fight level 46 people when I was level 51. But I could when I was level 37.

Plus, I routinely got complaints about how it was "cheap" to assassinate, that it's "weak" and "why don't I fight for real?" crap, and that I'm a "coward" for assassinating and not just fighting out in the open. All of that's obviously wrong, but it's the last that I really don't get. One example really illuminates it well. I assassinated Senket while he was leveling in the Loch. He was with two others, Khaan and Eronolian, both of whom I could fight. Khaan of course is a giant basher and Eron was a bard. All imperials. If I missed the assassinate, I was dead. There's big lag when you assassinate, and I'd have two warriors and a bard fighting me. Yet I'm the coward for doing it? I don't think so. Rather, I think it takes some serious sack to do it. You go ahead and try and then tell me about it.

I rolled the character knowing from day 1 I wanted to perfect assassinate and be an assassinate-y assassin. I didn't come up with it late in her life as some sort of excuse not to fight or anything like that, I put it in my role right from the start. And that's what I did. It took that long to master assassinate, and not for lack of trying. As I mention above, I don't think anyone who hasn't tried it has any idea how hard it is to do as a rager.

Finally, really, the time. I left my last job on Friday, April 3rd. I rolled up Susu the next day. I don't start a new job until the end of the year so I've got nothing but time and I am using it to do things I enjoy. I see my friends when they aren't working, my girlfriend and I went away for two weekends, and I see movies and read and hear bands and all that. But I have all day, every day, and all night, every night, to fill, and I enjoyed the character, so I played like a madman. And I'll probably do that with the next until I start working again. So that's why it went the way it did, timewise.

I've already written more than I should obviously and I doubt people will even read all this, but that's their problem, it's here and if they want to read it, there you go. I'll respond to people individually if they want. I had a lot of fun for the most part with the char, and I like most of the ragers I interacted with (if you weren't a rager she didn't like you much, makes a nice easy black and white world for her). See you in the fields!

>Good times. Achieved most of the things I wanted, and had
>fun. Lots and lots of haters I see though, and really it's
>unwarranted. I'll explain why of course.
>
>Even more than some of my characters in the past, this one
>proves how much greater perception is over fact.

To be perfectly honest, this is about how far I read before I started
laughing, and didn't read the rest. That said, a few things I wanted
to touch on.

1) I really do think you can RP, you just choose not to in some situations.
I knew instantly during that argument with me at the village who you were
because quite honestly, most of your characters that I've interacted with
acted exactly the same way. You twist words, argue, and pull the same
condescending #### about being right and to hell with everyone else.
You showed little to no respect to me at times and assorted other Imms
"IC", and really, I have no idea how you were still in Battle after what
you said about Thror.

2) I challenge you to play something meek, humble, submissive, agreeable
- all the things you aren't. Consider it something new and exciting to try.

3) E-mail me, I wanted to talk about the spear.

Read the rest and I'll email you. And I like you, but you should really turn that flashlight on yourself, you're the one that was twisting words and doing a common imm thing of just trying to get someone tripped up to justify a result. I think I have it all logged if you want, we can discuss via email. susubienko@hotmail.com.

As for being agreeable, I'm the most agreeable person in the world. People on the internet don't like to be really honest though, and like to be Internet Tough Guy, and so they dish it out but can't take it. And I have played humble characters. To name just one, there was Brordaran.

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n/t

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>Read the rest and I'll email you. And I like you, but you
>should really turn that flashlight on yourself, you're the one
>that was twisting words and doing a common imm thing of just
>trying to get someone tripped up to justify a result. I think
>I have it all logged if you want, we can discuss via email.

Oh, that's right. I forgot you were right all the time.

Frankly the character didn't really interest me enough to actually
go out of my way to be "doing a common imm thing of just trying to
get someone tripped up to justify a result". I think you give yourself
way too much credit there, bub.

Either way, good luck with the next.

When we have the specifics. I had attacked and was killing the Inn's guard, to get in to kill Nacklewig. Then Iunna showed up inside, so I left. Shortly thereafter, this conversation transpired:

Iunna tells you 'Y'got a problem, kid?'

You tell Iunna 'With the mageslave priest, yes'

Iunna tells you 'Maybe y'oughta go'n find, I dunno, actual mages t'harass instead.'

You tell Iunna 'I do that also, but that priest's a mageslave scum and he dies. He knows it and he's been warned many times. Today's helping the imperial and nexun filth is the last straw.'

Iunna tells you 'Y'know, I ain' th'biggest fan'a him either, but y'ain' doin' y'self any favors.'

You tell Iunna 'favors? He's mageslave scum, and he dies. It's not got anything to do with you, Goddess.'

Iunna tells you 'Y'don' think it was jus' a waste'a time there?'

Iunna tells you 'Y'didn' think y'had a real chance'n hell'a catchin' 'im.'

You tell Iunna 'No, I don't. I only stopped because you stood there and right or wrong you can do what you want and I don't need to die to something I can't fight.'

You tell Iunna 'You don't want me to go in and kill him there, then kick him out.'

Iunna tells you 'I'm sayin' I don' think y'can.'

You tell Iunna 'And I'm saying you're wrong, lady.'

Iunna tells you 'Wha's t'stop 'im from runnin' off.'

You tell Iunna 'he'll be back.'

Iunna tells you 'An' y'gonna beat down th'guard every damn time?'

You tell Iunna 'Only when he hides there. And once I'm in I'll just wait for him.'

Iunna tells you 'Y'birds don' live long, an' it sure seems like a waste'a time t'me when y'got all th'rest'a those fellas runnin' 'round unchecked.'

You tell Iunna 'Patience is a great weapon.'

Iunna tells you 'Ha!'

Iunna tells you 'So's findin' 'im somewhere else an'thwackin' 'im 'at way.'

You tell Iunna 'like I said, kick him out and I don't have to go in'

Iunna tells you 'Ain' much challenge there.'

You tell Iunna 'you just said it was not likely I'd kill him, now you say it's no challenge? You can't have it both ways lady. One way or the other, the mageslave dies for what he does.'

Iunna tells you 'Y'ain' listenin'.'

Iunna tells you 'Y'said I could throw 'im out.'

Iunna tells you 'An' I said, ain' much challenge there.'

You tell Iunna 'Whatever you say goddess. He dies. If you want it outside, you can kick him out, if not, then inside when I kill the guard.'

Iunna tells you 'So y'don' want a challenge, gotcha.'

****And here is exactly what I'm talking about. You are twisting words and you know it. In fact I never said anything about what being more or less challenging at all, you did. And I said I would do it either way, because he had to die one way or the other. But you wanted to be an ass here, so you did this. It all started because I was, in fact, doing it the "challenging" way, fighting the guard to get myself in. I gave you the option of not having to involve the inn, but you chose to be a jackhole about it.*******

You tell Iunna 'he brought it on himself'

You tell Iunna 'no lady, you again like to twist words.'

Iunna tells you 'I do, huh!'

You tell Iunna 'I didn't say that and you know it.'

Iunna tells you 'Y'didn' say y'did either.'

****I didn't have to say it, I was DOING it.*****

You tell Iunna 'Goddess, I've nothing more to say to you. If you wish to speak, I can't stop you, but you only want to hear what you want, to say what you want, and there's no point to my speaking to you. '

Iunna tells you 'Ain' tha' like th'pot callin' th'kettle black.'

You tell Iunna 'No lady, I don't think so. But it doesn't matter, you twist everything and make new meanings to fit your purpose. So I'll not play your game. Do as you will.'

You tell Iunna 'The bottom line is the mageslave does what he does, and for it he dies.'

Iunna tells you 'Still talkin', huh?'

You tell Iunna 'Either inside or out. '

95% of the time I very much enjoy your interactions and talking and playing with you, but the other 5% you are exactly what you accuse me off, and I think this shows it. I was there to kill him, the hard challenging way as you put it. You asked about it, i told you, and I explained that it was up to you if your guard died. You then twisted that to say somehow I didn't want a challenge, which is obviously bull. I twisted nothing. This is an example of what I'm talking about.

You missed her meaning.

Just to paraphrase the relevant bits:

Iunna tells you 'Y'didn' think y'had a real chance'n hell'a catchin' 'im.'

- Iunna is saying she doesn't think you can catch him by attacking and killing the guard (obviously, you'd be visible during that) and then entering and starting a fight. In other words, he's going to haul ass.

- The "challenge" I think she was implying would be catching him elsewhere rather than charging at her Inn, killing her guard, and not catching the guy.

- She seemed to be trying to interact with you solely as the patron Goddess of the Eternal Star might...just making an attempt to keep peace at the Inn.


I know you've probably heard this before, but you have a way of inferring the absolute worst meaning of whatever it is that someone says. I know from all of our previous ####. Most of the time people really aren't trying to jump down your throat, but to me you always seem to think so, and lash out defensively at first, but quickly moving towards the offensive. Then, when called on it, you become self-righteous and indignant.

I guess those are elements to any argumentative flow, but I'm just hoping you will maybe agree and take something from it. Anyways, I'm not trying to stomp on your nuts, really.

I know exactly what she was saying. And I said so in the conversation, I said know he could leave, but I'd wait for him, he'd be back, and I'd kill him then.

As for the challenge, she meant to say that if she kicked him out, my killing him would be easier than if she didn't kick him out. Which may or may not be true, it's not like she has to kick him out by trans'ing him to the room I'm in, she can just tell him to leave the inn and not come back until it's resolved with Susu. He can go anywhere in thera. Frankly I think that makes it *harder*, not easier, and so *more* challenging. But either way, she knew I was not taking the easy way because she said that what I was doing had a low chance of success, he would leave the inn. I was doing the "challenging" way, but offered her the option of saving the inn guard's life by kicking Nacklewig out of the inn for me to hunt elsewhere in thera.

Instead, she decided to play word games and say I said I didn't want a challege. And that's the point.

Why on earth would she kick Nacklewig out of the Inn, and not the maniac trying to kill the guard?

Why on earth would a mortal offer a God "options"? You have no leverage whatsoever. This is sheer hubris, and I'm shocked you weren't slain or plagued.

Why the hell would the patron God of the Inn do anything to help anyone outside trying to kill anyone else inside? That doesn't make any sense; her loyalty is to those INSIDE. She has no reason to help you, and every reason to defend Nacklewig, despite him being a ####up. How you could possibly expect this to turn out in your favor is beyond me.

Splntrd

>Instead, she decided to play word games and say I said I
>didn't want a challege. And that's the point.

You're missing the bigger picture.

What she did was decide to not solve her problem by slaying you until you went away or ran out of con. I possibly would have. To even banter with you about it is something of an act of charity.

You only have so much power to negotiate or issue ultimatums with someone who can kill you instantly at will. Specifically, very little.

That's a mistake. You're not keeping the situation fully in mind. Remember that it started because I saw Nack in the Inn, started killing the innguard, and then *stopped* when I saw Iunna there. The whole conversation ensued exactly *because* I had already demonstrated respect for her and her power.

*She* chose to talk about it and ask me a direct question. I responded and she knew why. Had she ever said "Don't touch the inn guard or I'll kill you" then I would have said "Ok, you're the goddess and I'm the mortal." Just like later I said she could do whatever she wants. Never questioned or challenged her ability to do anything. But once she made it clear she wanted to discuss it, are you saying I shouldn't have? This wasn't our first meeting, remember, we had a past.

And all I told her was that Nacklewig would die. I gave her, out of respect for who she is, the choice of whether I do it in the inn, or somewhere else in thera.

Now, if she said "Never touch Nacklewig" or something like that, yeah, maybe I'd have had a problem with that. Invoke our own gods, whatever. But as it was all I did was tell her that the mortal would die and if it offended her for me to do it in the inn, she had the option to send him out. I left it entirely up to her. How is that anything but respectful?

This conversation was posted because she was playing with words, trying to make Susu look bad. Nothing you're talking about here has anything to do with that, it's that red herring look over there argument. I wrote why I don't think I acted poorly in my post directly below. But all that's really beside the point, which is that she tried to make Susu look like she was taking some weak or less challenging route, and put words in Susu's mouth, neither of which was true.

asdf

Not to jump in the thread and flame or anything, really.

Let me start by saying that I had MANY, MANY fights with Lobo back in the day and I respect your skill as a player. That character was absolutely awesome, I can't say enough good things. Maybe you'll know why when Nac's dead and gone, who knows? Although I really didn't like Susu, she, too, was well skilled. Wasn't a fan of the RP and I really don't know how you stayed in the Village, but that's not really my call.

As for the whole thing with Nac, just to clear the air, it was a lot of crap. A little background. My character's name is Nacklewig (a male, gnome healer) and there is some other character that was rolled after mine called Nacklenor (a female, svirf transmuter). First of all, it sucked really bad when I saw this. I'm sure it wasn't done on purpose, but that didn't make it suck any less. Just imagine if there was some felar thief running around named Susubienin. Sure, different, but close. I honestly can't tell you how many ragers have come and attacked me only for me to run off and ask them what the hell they were doing. I'd either get no reply or something like: "Oops, I thought you were Nacklenor." Like you said in your farewell note, my character also takes pride in his sex. He is a man. We never got the chance to RP together, because you were always trying to kill me, but you'd likely have seen this come out in him. In his younger years, he tried a lot to talk to you only to be ignored actually and most of his tells to you were about you being a lady (he was trying to hook up with you in some way). So yeah, he had a problem with that being the case. Not only the constant attacks from ragers on a nonmage, but also the confusion between the sexes. Literally, this happened TONS of times both inside the Inn and outside. Then came the attacks on me when I'd be ranking with a mage that villagers couldn't fight yet. That, is crap. Wait for the mage to come into play and then go after them. I want to be clear, none of any of this ever happened from Susu, even though she was there for some of it. Well, all this kinda started to suck, so when there were no rager heros on and the Orc Chief said, "hey, lets take the head," I was all about a little revenge. We did, I got beat down by Iunna for it, and I went and healed the Orc inner so that the young ragers couldn't retake it. I felt that was a good bit of revenge for all the crap villagers had given Nac. Then there were all these claims about me aiding Nexus and Empire. Didn't happen, never, not one single time. One time I was sitting in the Inn about to log off and Dolce came and asked me for a sanc. He and Nac are friendly, so I said sure and logged off a little bit later. No clue what he was going to do, probably raided you guys though, based on your reactions. So...next time I log on, I get tells by a crapton of villagers telling me about the note your wrote and how you're going to kill me. I tried dealing with it IC a little bit, but got the brush off and it's not in Nac's role to give two ####s, so whatever, I kinda blew it off, too. You did assassinate me once and I know you were around lots of other times. Kudos, I knew you were there and just underestimated you. After you wrote that note, the attacks kept coming at their normal pace, only this time people said it was because of the note you wrote that they attacked me, not because they were confusing me with Nacklenor. As an aside, I will say that as a player I do not appreciate a certain berserker killing me while I was naked and had just unghosted after dying in an insta-kill room. BLEH! Anyways, what I was trying to do was give you my perspective. I wish we could have talked about it IC, but that wasn't in your role, I get it. I just don't think I deserved the way you treated me and some of the things that people would say you said about my character were just completely and utterly not true at all.

I'll end again by complimenting your skill at this game. Not sure who else you played, but Lobo was an amazing and memorable character.

Roll a fun loving, easy going, laid back, but still skilled Herald or something. Either way, best of luck on whatever comes your way.

I'm trying not to interject too much with my current character.

I like your character btw.

Excluding all the underlying reasons, the fact remains that you raided the Village with an orc and some scions. Not to mention that the scions camped the orc village, and you came to heal the orc guardian when it was hurt after few retrieval attempts by young villagers (including me). That, in itself, entails your stance when it comes to the village. What Susu said was appropriate. I think it's fortunate it was a one time ordeal and not continuing on your part.

NMFT, I'll add it later when I'm off work, har!

Well now, unfortunately I feel the need to defend myself.

Not once did I tell people NOT to loot rager enemies, NOT F'EN once.

I did tell Reivar that his "crazed full looting and full saccing trend" of everyone and anyone was getting the same #### done to villagers who didn't deserve it, I for one was an example who had it done to them.

You for one obviously don't know fact from fiction and a lot of people had a lot of dislike for susu for obvious reasons, it is absolutely delightful that the player won't own up to the character because he knows this, even though he attempts to twist perception with his words in such a way as to make it look like everyone who interracted with the character and didn't like him was insane.

"Well it was in my role to be a cock to everyone, so thats cool, it doesn't make me a ####, just my character" - come on man, that's utterly ridiculous.

I did enjoy the way you stuck to your rp though "Mageslave and Magefilth" certainly never got old, catch the sarcasm?

The problem was, you were a #### to most EVERYONE including cabalmates, and not a #### in a way that you could tell it was rp.
But a #### in a way that was obviously your ego riding through.
Wooptie doo, you perfected assassinate as a scout in battle after sitting in the 30 for nearly 400 hours, be proud, awsome, but don't take that cockbag ass self grown egotistical attitude out on everyone around you.

####

Yes, you did say stuff like that, but whatever, not worth arguing over.

You obviously didn't read the post through, or you're just a really, really, really bad reader, as I did identify myself. Unless you know someone else who played Loborguz? And what I wrote stands, the dislike was simply inappropriate and based on misinformation and telephone-game like misperceptions. For the most part she did it right. Frankly I think you're just jealous. Get over it.

And still the obvious egotism continues.

No wonder so many people complained about you, funny thing is, almost every single villager winced when they saw you as drillmistress.

Guess they are collectively wrong about you being a cunt

Wow, that is just so cool!!

I'm in awe.

Didn't like the char though. Not sure if I was supposed to.

But I found it amusing that I did the same thing you did (attacked someone to get a point across) and "it seemed" you really got angry at that (I didn't even successfully bash you down!).

You are a deadly mofo.

####ing holy christ, 500 hrs in 2 months. Woe is Graatch's clients

You obviously didn't read my post through. Which is fine, but will answer your question.

I want to believe you understood why I attacked you there.

Of course I understood, but I didn't, and don't, agree. There is a significant difference between our situations. I was sending a lesson to a person that had actually fought me, and aided someone fighting against me. You, however, were saying you wanted to send a lesson to someone who had never attacked you, or helped anyone fighting you. You see the difference, yah?

I was telling the healer not to interfere in my fights, that the ranger chose the fight and should fight her own battles. You were not saying that to me, I would have been happy to have the mage I'd attacked fight me alone. You were just saying "don't attack my friends" and that's entirely different, and not something she would accept.

Obviously I the player knew what you were doing, and it was perfectly justified for your role as a fortressite helping another fortressite. But the character thought it only cheapened and weakened your character, as well as the mage character.

Hope that clears it up.

Oh, and thanks for the well wishing for new job. Appreciate it.

You felt you succeeded by making others feel the hate vibe emanating from you? Just some things:

1) hate/negative vibe = negative playing experience for most players. Nobody expects you to molly coddle or talk about your cousin in cleaveland, but nobody wants to be abused, even if its "rp". If you don't know the fine line between abuse and evil rp, try talking to gahdak, ahtieli. All my interactions with them made it clear they were evil, and would kick my goodie/mage ass if they had a chance, but the interactions were fun. Yours were not.

2) You sound very mature and rational in your note, so I'll throw a bone out there to you to consider this. We all live in a gameworld, where primarily we try to have our own fun, but we try to balance that fun with other people's fun. That's why the unspoken rule that people don't full loot generally, is there. We want to have fun, but if we take it all away from everyone else by leaving them empty corpses, they leave, reducing our fun, and for some of us, making feel that slight tug of conscience at just hurting another carrion fields player for a cheap reason.

The way you talk to people, interact people, is similar to full looting. You can loot = You can talk evil. But it has to be within bounds. Remember that there are people on the other side, and its not all about you.

Yea yea, it was so funny. Read the rule - Quit to avoid pk.

Also, do you understand that you suck in assassinations/pk?

I'll say this..I liked Susubienko. And hated her more. She had many good points and an equal amount of, if not more, bad points.

First up, good work on getting so involved with Thror's return quest. You were one of the most enthusiastic and driven chars that did research, inquiry and exploration overtime, even when no one was there to praise or see.

You also took whatever we talked about religion wise and tried to right the wrongs, enhance the rights, just about after every conversation. It was obvious you stuck it out, tried your best and did a good job in that aspect.

You played a hardline Drillmistress, which is cool by me. DMs of all people, don't have to sugarcoat or be nice. You organised nifty events and tried to do things a DM should do..all of which get the thumbs up from me. You did however, step on many of your own cabalmates' toes. I'm not speaking about tough policy or action, but more of just snubbing them entirely to the point of disrespect or disregard..which isn't cool.

Also, from the way you make it sound..I never promised you any con. I simply said I'd see what I could do..I would prolly have quested you once you heroed or something. So that note to all the immortals stating I was supposed to be giving you that was annoying to say the least.

Anyhow, it was a love-hate relationship with Susu for me. Not my fav char, but I thought you did a pretty good job overall.

And this post is supposed to have a positive ring to it, open it knowing that.

Graatch has SO much game knowledge, SO much pk skill, SO much badassness about him that he simply must make kickass characters.

The problem is, he takes all that ability and just tosses it to the side so that the way he disregards, disrespects, and is a total ass to Everyone takes center stage and just corrupts anything good about almost every character.

Not only is it annoying, but its so damned disappointing to see when there is so much potential left untapped.

Oh well, he will prolly twist everything that I am saying around on me to try to make me look like an ass when all I am doing is trying to give him a complement and tell him to start bringing more of the badassary out and less of the assbaggery towards other people.

Ugh, I gotta go back to work, phowee.

>I'll say this..I liked Susubienko. And hated her more. She
>had many good points and an equal amount of, if not more, bad
>points.
>

Huh. Ok, let's hear them....

>First up, good work on getting so involved with Thror's return
>quest. You were one of the most enthusiastic and driven chars
>that did research, inquiry and exploration overtime, even when
>no one was there to praise or see.
>

Thanks. I'm sure I'm like most people, quests are part of why we play cf, it's good stuff.

>You also took whatever we talked about religion wise and tried
>to right the wrongs, enhance the rights, just about after
>every conversation. It was obvious you stuck it out, tried
>your best and did a good job in that aspect.
>

Thanks again. I was gratified by your post on my pbf about talking to Lohik that I did indeed get the religion.

>You played a hardline Drillmistress, which is cool by me. DMs
>of all people, don't have to sugarcoat or be nice. You
>organised nifty events and tried to do things a DM should
>do..all of which get the thumbs up from me. You did however,
>step on many of your own cabalmates' toes. I'm not speaking
>about tough policy or action, but more of just snubbing them
>entirely to the point of disrespect or disregard..which isn't
>cool.
>

Thanks for the first half, and ok, tell me more about the second half, please? Especially in the second half of her life, other than a few instances of simply not hearing something on cb or said to me because of spam or something going on occ (see: Raewol), I'm honestly not sure what you saw that went so far as to be real disrespect and disregard and snubbing of cabalmates. Maybe I'm oblivious to it? Maybe it's unintentional and a lack of tone in text? I don't know, but if you're willing to give me some examples, I will gladly try to prevent it in the future.

>Also, from the way you make it sound..I never promised you any
>con. I simply said I'd see what I could do..I would prolly
>have quested you once you heroed or something. So that note to
>all the immortals stating I was supposed to be giving you that
>was annoying to say the least.

I haven't been able to find the log of our talk, so we can't just look at it and know, but my recollection was that you did. If I was mistaken, then I'm sorry. Also, just fyi, the point of her asking, as I think I actually said to you, was to get some con *before* heroing, so that I wouldn't get such crappy gains at each level. So saying you might have done it once I hero'ed sorta defeats the purpose. I wasn't drillmistress at the time, remember.

>
>Anyhow, it was a love-hate relationship with Susu for me. Not
>my fav char, but I thought you did a pretty good job overall.

So from this post the only ic thing you said that was a negative was the snubbing or disregarding, everything else was good, at least that you wrote here. That can only mean that much of the things that lead you to say what you said up top, that there was more bad than good, are ooc. Or that you're holding back on ic things I suppose. I'm not sure how to take that but it certainly doesn't bode well.

I hope I'm wrong about that.

Thanks for posting.

I never worried as Findo because I could see you as a Fox and Lion could munch you easy enough but I know I was being stalked with newer mage creations and just teleported away. Sometimes Kjiroh told me you were there and sometimes I just got paranoid.

Bring on the next!

-----Abernyte

P.S. I do agree with Thror on the ppl who don't leave the IC at the skull.

I actually do like your characters. However, more often than not, it seems that you create characters that people don't like. It's almost like rouge - while he creates characters that are generally asses because god knows what reason (quality characters, but asses), you create characters through a mechanical process of elimination. In fact, I'd akin Rogue to a crazy psychopath while you would be more along the line of Hannibal Lecter.

I guess I'm wondering why? Sure some people occasionally create the asswipe characters, but you seem to have a pattern of it. Is it just the idea of a role, or...?

And most people seem to really dislike Susu....

I didn't see anything in this post that I could absolutely and irrefutably say is false. The looting, when I died to you I think I lost one wand, and that was it. I could see that wand being given to Tahren to thicken the veil. Speaking from my own personal interactions, you were a #### to me, but considering I was your mortal enemy I understood completely and accepted it as RP. Of course I hoped it was RP or else my feelings woulda been hurt and I might of cried a little bit.

Regardless if people hated Susu or not, one of the biggest accomplishments on this game is getting people to react to you. When you were on, people became extra careful. I had a lowbie char with detect hidden, and I can't the number of tells I would get with...is Susu awake?

Anyways I think, good job and good luck with your next.

Thank you. You got it exactly right, 100%. Appreciate it. And thanks for the comment on people asking your lowbie, that's nice to know.

I probably shouldn't have brought up anything which could be interpreted as a potshot to your character here, so my apologies for that.

I said more to you then you wanted to hear, you told me to not speak to you, and you turned the ignore on me. I don't think either of us will lose much sleep over it.

I'll say a positive something here about the character and call it a day-- you really were a damned good scout for the village. You made it nearly impossible to get the jump on any of your villagers when you were around-- even when and perhaps especially when you were not within pk-range. And obviously you took extreme exception seeing enemies near your village and/or attacking some of your folks, so I can absolutely understand why you would want me hunted, even though I am not a mage. You really did seem like you had your ear to the proverbial village-rail, and it isn't a surprise to me that you got DM.

Now, the one question I honestly would like to know is, why did you refer to someone (me), who I am certain you never saw with or probably even near another mage (near, in a friendly manner at least), as a "mageslave?".

Anyways enjoy your time off and good luck with your new job when it comes man.

Magefilths are, obviously, mages. Mageclass characters. If you read my role you'll see that her whole family history comes down to being lied to by mages, and that they were slaves. To her, anyone who worked with mages or used magic or, once she joined the village, attacked the village, must be a mageslave, fallen under their lies. Otherwise why would they attack the village?

You attacked the giant on many occassions. And hunted villagers on many occassions. So, you were, by definition, a mageslave.

Make sense? (ic'ly, obviously it's not going to make sense in our world. )

p.s. Also, I discerned you a few times and you had magic affects going, like flight or stone skin or whatever, so you also had that going for you. Obviously not a reason to attack you, ragers don't attack people just for using magic potions and such, but just another reason to add to the list for why she referred to you as she did.

I remember this one time when I came at you with my thief and you man-handled me. Then a cabalmate warrior came at you and you man-handled him. So, since we had to get through you in order to get our item back, we both came at you and you man-handled the both of us in like 10 seconds. So then we're both ghosts, standing over our corpses, and you said something nasty, which basically was the equivalent of "If I catch you trying to gang me again, I'm taking all of your gear." That left the illest taste in my mouth. Had you died or almost died, sure, I could understand that reaction. But you didn't. You had like 75% or more health after killing both of us! I didn't care about my gear, it was #### anyway. Just lame that you demanded we individually fight you after getting man-handled followed by your full-loot threat. Maybe my recollection's off, but that's what I took from it.

I would compare you to Bartis. That guy is one of the best examples right now of a villager, who--even if you gang him (and die)--leaves you feeling like challenging him again. Why? Because he makes the fighting fun. That's the thing, I guess. Fighting you, and I did so with a couple characters, was just not fun. So, I avoided you and played with your friends instead. Mission accomplished?

really was the lag that killed me, because only an idiot doesn't know how to

1. c locate leader
2. c duo fairly often

i must apologise for the semi-rant though i did try my best to be reasonable about it. not my best of days. isn't about loot at all since you took nothing, i get pissed at stupid deaths. really.

You don't have to apologize, but you do need to understand that it wasn't the lag that got you, I'd been stalking you for almost half an hour, over different areas, and you'd already been in front of me but I waited anyway to ensure success. I can email or post the log of the entire stalking process for that one if you want, I have it logged.

It was weird that you could send me tells though, I was hidden, and I'd never sent you a tell so you had no reply. I bugboarded it. Was fun getting you, like Sulzaen it's satisfying getting muters.

Though I never saw any other fighting from you except that one time I trounced your ass in the Arena, boy did that feel good. Figured I would shut your f'en beak up for once but guess what, you still had something snide to say about it, of course.

The stalking skills were extraordinary, I will give you that though, but really can't say much else nice about the character.

So good job rocking almost 600 hours.

I'll have to see if I have it logged. The competitive exchanges between you and Susubienko leading up to it was almost like PPV marketing before a MMA event.

Thanks.

placed 'THANKS' there!

Not a fan, not a fan at all. I think you know why.

It sucks how villagers can come in a beat the crap out of you and the moment you say alright, I'll do something back, it's almost like you're titled hunted. A big, giant BLEH to that.

sweet to full loot you.

NT

IDK how you got so much imm love when all I saw was ####headedness, spite, arrogance and a sense of entitlement.

You were a #### when raiding, you were a #### when asking questions over CB, you were a #### when someone died, you were a #### when someone killed someone you were stalking. You'd repeatedly ask me something, ignore my response, and ask the same question again later. (For which you apologized IC, towards the end which oddly enough felt out of character both for Susu and Gra...the player.)


What got to me and completely trashed any respect I may have had for you was when you were a #### when I was trying to save your life as you bled to death, I was resting to make sure I had enough mana for the next patch which was coming on the hour, and you ran off towards the village, complaining that "I was taking the long way." You then died to bleeding (which you wouldn't have if you had stayed with me,) and basically blamed it all on me and bitched me out when I was doing my best to save you.

I hope our chars aren't in the same cabal for a third time in a row on the next incarnation. I like helping people, but you ingrates can go f*** yourselves.


The end.

>IDK how you got so much imm love when all I saw was
>####headedness, spite, arrogance and a sense of entitlement.

Not that this was my favorite character either, but I don't think she really saw all that much love.

Drillmaster was a mortal pick.

Role contest prize I guess is imm love after a fashion, but it's not necessarily relevant to the behavior of the character.

I don't know, in the context of a character that played that huge number of hours it all doesn't seem like a lot to me.

I'm not sure about the imm love either. Yeah, she was heavily
involved in Thror-Quest because she was an active Rager who
played during the necessary timeslot. She was pretty integral to it,
whether we as imms liked it or not. She definitely got attention.

Also, I don't think the PBF displays much love of the character in
general. I know you're probably talking strictly rewards, but overall
I think you can see we weren't all that fond of her.

You did a really nice job. That doesn't mean you were a easy character to like. You played an abrasive, commanding, "drillmistress" type role. 588 hours in any character is remarkable, and age dying an arial in battle is very impressive. Good luck with your next!!!

Thanks. When you get a chance, I would very much like to see that poem or ode or euology or whatever you call it that you said you were going to write.

Oh, and were there any death echoes for her? I'm getting the sense there weren't, but perhaps there were. If not, it's another point to show Raewol about the lack of imm love.

All that I have to say is that I liked Susu alot. You had an RP to me that seemed to fit for a woman killer. Great job. Sorry I couldn't participate in your drilling. It would have been fun. I just wasn't able to. Best of luck with your next.

Because that is what I actually selected for Bartis's lastname. I never meant for it to be a connection or a reference to Thror!

I hadn't played a char for a few weeks when I created Bartis and wasn't totally aware of the situation of his returning at the time. It was only until after I chose it did I realize that it might be infringing a little on Thror's character.

Then I read your PBF... Heh.

no matter how much of a self-proclaimed douchebag beront tries to be, he pales in comparison. Hail, King of the 'Bagsters.

Why wasn't this character titled for level-sitting?

Sat Apr 18 00:55:19 2009 at level 30 (119 hrs):
Susubienko advanced to level 30 <PK: 23-1>

Tue May 26 02:34:47 2009 at level 40 (408 hrs):
Susubienko advanced to level 40 <PK: 132-24>

Tue Jun 2 14:42:55 2009 at level 51 (473 hrs):
Susubienko advanced to level 51 <PK: 158-26>

Soooo, they hit 30 in under 120 hrs, then spent 300 hrs at the assassin sweet spot, then ranked to hero in 70 hrs.

Please IMMs, just give us consistancy?

Only thing I can think of is how much this character played. Christ, I'm lucky if I can do 70 hrs in a month. And she did 300 hrs.

You get a pass IMMs (though I still think this char levelsat).

It's not that you killed me, cause as you probably noticed everyone in battle killed me. This isn't really a slam on your character, because I don't know what it was. Something just rubbed me the wrong way.

See, this is my point. I think you absorbed rumor and inuendo and misinformation and subconsciously came to this feeling that you didn't like me. There is *no* way you could otherwise, because we never spoke, at all. You spoke *at* me a couple times, meaning I would attack and you would say "Oh, you again" or something like that, and then flee or whatever. But other than when I killed you, we never interacted. And I don't recall looting much from you either. So I don't really see how you could have formed an opinion at all, good or bad, except one of "He killed me, so I don't like him", which you say you're not doing.

I really believe it's the hype, and consciously or subconsciously you bought into it, as have many, and that's why the character get maligned as it does.

...I remember our first interaction. I had for some stupid reason struck the giant when I was lvl 36 or so (Think I was hunting Kale...) and I quickly retreated as I realized how stupid RP that was from Arrna. So, I head back to Galadon and ZAP, a sword through my back. And when I get to my corpse you were there saying something like: Don't strike the giant filth! I was like... Oooooh, ####, don't want this guy as an enemy.

Next time we meet was in Iunna's shrine in the quest for Thror. After that Arrna had quite some respect for you, and she was always grateful to you and the rest of the village for aiding her goddess. (Ooh man, it really sucked that it was a village quest. I think I spent 80-90 hours looking for stuff, went through area after area looking clues, names etc... Found out some pretty cool stuff though.)

Anyways, I ever only got the feeling that the grumpy #### that came out of your beak was RP. So I sure hope that it was.

Anyways, I hope you come back again, with something less hateful!

You are entirely correct on all counts. I didn't want or need you as an enemy, I had plenty as you know. But she wasn't one to let people attack the giant and get away with it if she could do something about it. Just like Nacklewig, one death was the price for such things, and the warning not to do it again. After that she mostly ignored you and the other non-mage fortressites. She surely didn't like you much (you in the generic, not you particularly) because you all use magic, you all travel with mages, you all protect mages, yada yada yada, but there was no special anger or anything toward you. Mostly just a "how am I going to make sure I don't let him get in my way while I'm hunting X fortress magefilth."

Keep trucking, I think you're doing a fine job as maran leader.

I interacted with this character on two fronts, as a mage and as a non-mage character. The bile and spite coming from Susubienko always left a bad aftertaste in my mouth. Everything she said was some form of threat, name calling that did little other than reduce my level of fun playing. I am glad this char is daed. We all know that battle is supposed to hate mages. But really, the level of sheer hatred emanating from everything this person said to me gave me a headache.

It was a long, awesome ride.

In fact, that sums it up rather well.

Firstly, good fights. You generally whooped on me well so props on that.

I really wish that I got a chance to see what the character was all about, but alas, ignore pwned me more than any other skill you had in your arsenal.

nntt.

Horaay for the circle.

Obviously the IMM's saw more than me, and you obviously could kill people, but I saw nothing but a child trying to RP in the most cocky manner possible. It wouldn't have been so bad to me if I didn't feel like it was actually RP, but it seemed like you and completely you stepping into an arial villager.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were Engurd.
If so!
Tinyirondagger~

If not!
Please don't make a Nexun and bug my new char.

His speech pattern was on par for a graatch.

Or was this someone else?

Your RP was super consistant and high quality, but #### if I liked it.

I always thought it interesting that you would attack Lornkanamas and claim I was hunted after I attacked you, yet as drillmaster you uninducted someone for attacking a trib thief.

nt

Only like 4 players can pull off this type of playing...

Tue Apr 7 22:09:38 2009 at level 18 (29 hrs):
Inducted into BATTLE by Goroel.

Wed Apr 8 02:07:55 2009 at level 20 (29 hrs):
Susubienko advanced to level 20 <PK: 2-0>

Sat Apr 18 00:55:19 2009 at level 30 (119 hrs):
Susubienko advanced to level 30 <PK: 23-1>

Tue May 26 02:34:47 2009 at level 40 (408 hrs):
Susubienko advanced to level 40 <PK: 132-24>

Tue Jun 2 14:42:55 2009 at level 51 (473 hrs):
Susubienko advanced to level 51 <PK: 158-26>

Tue Jun 2 16:08:17 2009 at level 51 (473 hrs):
Twist has set Susubienko's constitution to 9 from 7.

Mon Jun 8 23:13:15 2009 at level 51 (528 hrs):
Tattooed by Yean.

500 hrs in two months. WTF. I know who played you now.

It all makes sense.

NT

Even with all level sittings and distends

Despite what people say, you played your role out to the fine dotted lines from what I gatherd from you. Im really, really interested to see your pbf .

And like Ghrum said, every time I herd "knows nothing but death" over cb, I could not help to think "holy #### she got another one" you would go anywhere and stalk anything and get your kill.

Im glad our last "conversation" went the way it did, it could have went for the worse and kald respected sus for what she was deeply.

You where pretty much the last line of defense against the current annoyance of thief and assassin enemies, it will be interesting to see how things pan out now. Hope to see you again soon.

Man we sure had our differences. You'd say one thing, I'd do something else, I'd say something else, etc. Guess our ideas didn't cross.

However, whenever you said someone somehow met death, I was like...Chris dude, another one? Quite deathful and dangerous. While I might not have agreed too much with your ideas, I greatly respected that you had the tenacity to carry them out amidst obvious disdain from many players.

Age deathed? That's just chocolate sprinkle on top of an excellent character.

Come back again!

Thanks. I am really glad I didn't have to face you in the rites, you're a truck, and that was before the tattoo power stuff! If I don't get the full kot to break a wrist, I'm toast.

You're right, we disagreed on numerous things, but she never had anything but respect for your focus on the war, you were an example she used for some people, and I'm guessing you'll be either the next mageslayer or drillmaster.

Drink an ale (a full cask) to Susu's memory for me.

Very influential character. Lurking in the shadows, deadly... I might even say vile. I threw a "know alignment" on you and was surprised to learn you were neutral neutral. Seemed very evil to me, but then I did not know you well. Good work. *shiver*

P.S.: I cannot believe you burned through those hours so quickly!

Thanks. I think a discussion on alignment wouldn't be a bad idea, on another board, but suffice to say here that I don't think anger toward a particular population (mages) = evil. She didn't act evil. She acted focused on the war, and showed zero respect or love for her enemies. There was none of the usual evil characteristics, such as attempting to accrue power or wealth (like empire or scion), she didn't torture people or intend to cause excess pain (she was an assassin-y assassin) and she didn't ever focus on anyone who wasn't an enemy. She had zero concern for the alignment or ethos of someone, but rather the one question: is that person a magefilth or mageslave? If so, enemy and to be killed, if not, not. You got some negativity from her because you, being a tribunal, stood in her way, you made it harder to kill the mages.

So yeah, I don't think she acted evil. I think she was actually a very good neutral neutral person.

Perhaps we can discuss what each alignment means on the gameplay board if you disagree?

And I thought you did a good job as magistrate by the way, for the most part. Unlike a couple others who violated tribunal rules pretty egregiously. I hated you for doing what you did, like fogging me out and warning people I was there, but of course the player in me knew you were doing the exact right thing.

There was one time though, I wish I recalled who the target was, that you conveniently left town, and I killed him or her. Do you remember that? Do you remember ever doing that, using some excuse to leave town so a pk could happen and you could have a clean conscience not being there?

I know you're still active so if you don't want to respond to that until you're gone, I completely understand. Good luck with the rest of the character's life.

Good char. You were very skilled, knowledgeable, and despite the complaints, you were overall a good DM in my opinion. I knew you always had my back (but then, I feel that way about pretty much all current ragers, so that's cool). A pity my last words to you were harsh. Hope they didn't overshadow all the good times we had.

Good luck with the next char!

Thanks. I have to say I really was upset at what you said to me when you left that last time. I vehemently disagree with it and the philosophy behind it, which we can discuss when you're dead.

Having said that, no, of course that one thing didn't overshadow all the good times we had. Just as you felt I had your back, when we were together I felt like you had mine, too. And you obviously are racking up a big count of pks, mages and otherwise, I'm guessing double mine. Which is impressive, and I know what it's like having been Vershelt.

Keep it up and thanks for the good times.