lasentia | Wed 01-May-19 01:51 PM |
Member since 27th Apr 2010
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#73084, "RE: These are pretty poor examples..."
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True. Players are unprotected from the whims of an admin. They also know that going in. Players expect that most of the people who are admins have been vetted and likely would not remain if they abused the players.
I'll pass over the Skype log stuff, I don't have any real knowledge of it. But equating that to unethical methods? So the problem is not being caught possibly cheating, but the manner by which the Imms received the proof of it? Which they did not solicit as far as I know? And which Shaapa did not redact or otherwise limit to only CF related stuff I would assume. But what nefarious things did Imms do with the logs? A few CF bans?
I would say Imms should be accountable to the player that they punished, sure. There is a difference between an Imm not needing to explain the why you are punished to the person receiving the punishment and not needing to explain them to everyone else.
Why do Imms have to answer for their actions to the PB at large though? If you're the subject of the punishment, sure, they should, in the spirit of civility and respect (of course CF players tend to show a tremendous disregard for those on any perceived slight by an Imm or player). Otherwise, who are you to demand such? I don't think of Imms as judges in a court of law, I think of them as referees. They have a rule book, they see something, they make a call. You choose to play the game, you abide by the rules and the decisions of the person tasked with enforcing them.
Not all calls are favorable, and some are downright atrocious. But it's still just a game. Nobody forces you to play it. But if you choose to, it's not going to be on the terms you dictate. Anyway, we may just have fundamentally different approaches to how we see things, but I can at least respect your views on them, even if I disagree with them. Maybe you just expect more from the admin staff than I do.
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What would bring you back?
[View all] , Wasted, Fri 26-Apr-19 12:13 PM
Thread's been derailed.,
JohnEveryMan,
01-May-19 09:32 AM, #119
Agreed. Thread locked. (nt),
Umiron,
01-May-19 03:05 PM, #130
Time and a mentality shift,
Destuvius,
01-May-19 03:52 AM, #107
If time permitted, players.,
lasentia,
30-Apr-19 12:44 PM, #96
Re: Who really cares that they can't have 30 edges anym...,
Murphy,
30-Apr-19 01:03 PM, #97
RE: Re: Who really cares that they can't have 30 edges ...,
robdarken_,
30-Apr-19 01:35 PM, #98
That's part of the issue,
Kstatida,
30-Apr-19 03:46 PM, #101
RE: That's part of the issue,
robdarken_,
30-Apr-19 05:01 PM, #104
There weren't any videos. You made that up.,
Murphy,
30-Apr-19 10:45 PM, #106
RE: Re: Who really cares that they can't have 30 edges ...,
lasentia,
30-Apr-19 02:08 PM, #100
I'm bringing it up because it's important.,
Murphy,
30-Apr-19 10:51 PM, #105
What did I miss?,
Lhydia,
01-May-19 05:49 AM, #108
I'd answer but you are clearly just trolling.,
Murphy,
01-May-19 07:21 AM, #110
That is objectively wrong,
Destuvius,
01-May-19 07:37 AM, #111
Do I need to bring up the incident,
Murphy,
01-May-19 07:44 AM, #112
And yet you are here,
Destuvius,
01-May-19 07:57 AM, #113
I'm not the only Russian here,
Murphy,
01-May-19 08:49 AM, #117
Might be the words "cheat ring" that get the scrutiny.,
Jormyr,
01-May-19 11:36 AM, #125
I'm not buying it.,
Murphy,
01-May-19 12:31 PM, #126
Are you kidding?,
JohnEveryMan,
01-May-19 08:04 AM, #114
See my other post,
Murphy,
01-May-19 08:28 AM, #116
I don't think you know what "concrete proof" means,
JohnEveryMan,
01-May-19 09:02 AM, #118
Concrete examples, not concrete proof.,
Murphy,
01-May-19 09:53 AM, #120
RE: I'm bringing it up because it's important.,
lasentia,
01-May-19 07:20 AM, #109
Concrete examples of wrong punishment.,
Murphy,
01-May-19 08:22 AM, #115
These are pretty poor examples...,
Destuvius,
01-May-19 09:58 AM, #121
RE: These are pretty poor examples...,
lasentia,
01-May-19 10:18 AM, #123
Matrik is from Texas.,
Murphy,
01-May-19 10:30 AM, #124
RE: These are pretty poor examples...,
Murphy,
01-May-19 12:47 PM, #127
RE: These are pretty poor examples...,
lasentia,
01-May-19 01:51 PM #128
Hmm.,
Murphy,
01-May-19 02:21 PM, #129
Wasnt trolling.,
Lhydia,
01-May-19 10:01 AM, #122
An ounce of free time, a hint of an idea, and I'll be b...,
Ignolmeer,
30-Apr-19 12:10 AM, #85
kov is back,
Dallevian,
30-Apr-19 02:02 PM, #99
VOTE,
ARegularPlayer (Anonymous),
29-Apr-19 05:27 PM, #81
I'd be all for group skill learn bonus, similar to xp.,
SPN,
28-Apr-19 08:30 PM, #77
Try some seasons,
Artificial,
28-Apr-19 04:28 PM, #75
RE: Try some seasons,
Ishuli,
28-Apr-19 04:50 PM, #76
Asking "But, is it fun?" missing for quite some time...,
KoeKhaos,
28-Apr-19 01:53 PM, #73
Fun!,
Ishuli,
28-Apr-19 02:16 PM, #74
"Losing is fun" doesn't work in multiplayer.,
Murphy,
30-Apr-19 04:50 AM, #88
Winning isn't fun without the risk of losing, especiall...,
JohnEveryMan,
30-Apr-19 06:12 AM, #89
Indeed, but that's beside the point,
Murphy,
30-Apr-19 06:56 AM, #90
That's better context.,
JohnEveryMan,
30-Apr-19 07:06 AM, #91
Events.,
Cointreau,
28-Apr-19 06:40 AM, #70
Agree (n/t),
JohnEveryMan,
28-Apr-19 07:49 AM, #71
Edges, Hell, ST,
Kstatida,
28-Apr-19 02:16 AM, #64
Pretty sure,
incognito,
28-Apr-19 02:54 AM, #67
Who gives a damn about what you're pretty sure of?,
Kstatida,
30-Apr-19 08:04 AM, #92
You got the order wrong,
Bemused,
28-Apr-19 05:10 AM, #69
I play what little I can, but,
Calion,
27-Apr-19 02:30 PM, #61
RE: I play what little I can, but,
Ishuli,
27-Apr-19 03:30 PM, #62
Please tell me the new race is Tiefling!,
Blkdrgn,
30-Apr-19 04:32 PM, #102
RE: Please tell me the new race is Tiefling!,
Ishuli,
30-Apr-19 04:52 PM, #103
Apologize for invasion of privacy. Unban Boris.,
Murphy,
27-Apr-19 11:58 AM, #56
RE: Apologize for invasion of privacy. Unban Boris.,
Ishuli,
27-Apr-19 02:07 PM, #58
Noone needs it,
Kstatida,
28-Apr-19 02:17 AM, #65
I'm not interested in making demands.,
Murphy,
28-Apr-19 03:28 AM, #68
RE: What would bring you back?,
TheBluestThumb,
27-Apr-19 06:32 AM, #45
Ish has been extremely plain and open,
JohnEveryMan,
27-Apr-19 07:11 AM, #46
RE: Ish has been extremely plain and open,
Saagkri,
27-Apr-19 08:22 AM, #49
Yeah #### you Ishuli for trying. ,
Lhydia,
27-Apr-19 07:34 AM, #47
RE: What would bring you back?,
Ishuli,
27-Apr-19 02:07 PM, #57
Minor changes won't bring a major resurgence,
Artificial,
27-Apr-19 03:48 AM, #44
RE: Minor changes won't bring a major resurgence,
Ishuli,
27-Apr-19 08:34 AM, #51
Yeah there’s a lot of overly sensitive sissies i...,
TJHuron,
27-Apr-19 09:04 AM, #52
Maybe it could be a question on creation?,
Artificial,
27-Apr-19 02:17 PM, #59
RE: Maybe it could be a question on creation?,
Ishuli,
27-Apr-19 02:26 PM, #60
RE: Maybe it could be a question on creation?,
robdarken_,
27-Apr-19 04:22 PM, #63
RE: What would bring you back?,
Patrisaurus,
26-Apr-19 09:46 PM, #36
RE: What would bring you back?,
Jarmel,
27-Apr-19 02:47 AM, #43
RE: What would bring you back?,
Ishuli,
27-Apr-19 08:19 AM, #50
The bottom line is...,
Saagkri,
27-Apr-19 09:19 AM, #53
RE: What would bring you back?,
Patrisaurus,
28-Apr-19 10:55 AM, #72
Here's something more constructive...,
Saagkri,
26-Apr-19 07:39 PM, #17
RE: Here's something more constructive...,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 07:46 PM, #18
Wow,
Saagkri,
26-Apr-19 08:00 PM, #21
RE: Wow,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 08:33 PM, #25
Of course,
Saagkri,
26-Apr-19 09:36 PM, #34
I agree 100% on the berserker rule. It does not make se...,
TJHuron,
27-Apr-19 09:21 AM, #54
Constructive criticism:,
robdarken_,
26-Apr-19 08:55 PM, #29
Heh,
Saagkri,
26-Apr-19 10:11 PM, #38
If half of these were implemented I’d come back....,
Homard,
26-Apr-19 09:34 PM, #33
The IMMs asking this question.,
Saagkri,
26-Apr-19 07:26 PM, #13
RE: The IMMs asking this question.,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 07:34 PM, #14
I know you're doing a lot,
Saagkri,
26-Apr-19 07:48 PM, #19
RE: I know you're doing a lot,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 07:55 PM, #20
It's not easier.,
Saagkri,
26-Apr-19 08:06 PM, #22
RE: It's not easier.,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 08:20 PM, #23
Another class,
Saagkri,
26-Apr-19 09:40 PM, #35
There's a fine phrase commonly attributed to Einstein,
Kstatida,
30-Apr-19 08:07 AM, #93
RE: What would bring you back?,
Jarmel,
26-Apr-19 06:17 PM, #12
RE: What would bring you back?,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 07:35 PM, #15
RE: What would bring you back?,
Jarmel,
26-Apr-19 08:55 PM, #28
RE: What would bring you back?,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 09:13 PM, #31
RE: What would bring you back?,
Jarmel,
26-Apr-19 09:29 PM, #32
Edge points,
incognito,
29-Apr-19 05:59 AM, #78
RE: Edge points,
Ishuli,
29-Apr-19 12:24 PM, #79
RE: let someone else speak to that,
Murphy,
29-Apr-19 01:53 PM, #80
RE: let someone else speak to that,
Umiron,
29-Apr-19 06:32 PM, #82
Exactly. From the first round of edge changes.,
Murphy,
30-Apr-19 03:59 AM, #86
Sorry,
robdarken_,
30-Apr-19 09:56 AM, #94
#### off.,
Murphy,
30-Apr-19 12:28 PM, #95
Let me explain,
incognito,
29-Apr-19 06:38 PM, #83
But wait, it gets better.,
Murphy,
30-Apr-19 03:50 AM, #87
That may well be the case, but...,
Homard,
29-Apr-19 06:41 PM, #84
Being 11 again.,
JohnEveryMan,
26-Apr-19 03:38 PM, #8
Time travel incoming.,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 07:36 PM, #16
More players,
robdarken_,
26-Apr-19 02:58 PM, #7
Yup!,
Wasted,
26-Apr-19 06:09 PM, #11
RE: What would bring you back?,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 02:41 PM, #6
What language does CF use?,
Tesline,
26-Apr-19 11:18 PM, #40
RE: What language does CF use?,
Rahsael,
27-Apr-19 01:19 AM, #42
So...it'd be as useful as learning latin?,
Tesline,
27-Apr-19 08:14 AM, #48
beating the same drum as usual,
Dallevian,
26-Apr-19 01:06 PM, #2
I could get on board with most of these,
Wasted,
26-Apr-19 01:46 PM, #3
RE: beating the same drum as usual,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 02:38 PM, #5
RE: beating the same drum as usual,
Kstatida,
28-Apr-19 02:29 AM, #66
Remove PK requirements for joining cabals until playerb...,
Lhydia,
26-Apr-19 12:19 PM, #1
Ehhh.,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 02:37 PM, #4
Easy fix.,
Lhydia,
26-Apr-19 03:38 PM, #9
RE: Easy fix.,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 04:17 PM, #10
Respectfully disagree,
Old player (Anonymous),
26-Apr-19 08:22 PM, #24
RE: Respectfully disagree,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 08:47 PM, #26
Nope.,
Berserker (Anonymous),
26-Apr-19 08:50 PM, #27
RE: Nope.,
Ishuli,
26-Apr-19 09:09 PM, #30
True nt,
Saagkri,
26-Apr-19 10:03 PM, #37
This was the case under ghar/thirisg/oliopterix and AFA...,
Demos,
27-Apr-19 12:10 AM, #41
That fort requirement,
incognito,
27-Apr-19 10:19 AM, #55
Here is the big disconnect.,
Former villager (Anonymous),
26-Apr-19 10:16 PM, #39
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