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The HereticWed 10-Apr-19 08:28 AM
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#72793, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions..."


          

When you have young children it's easy to loose your cool in the name of discipline. But as most people know, hitting or even yelling is not an effective way to change behavior and has negative long-term consequences. This scenario mirrors dealing with children and illustrates effective and ineffective ways of modifying behavior.

To the player: You made minor mistake and breached character. Perhaps there are some in-game methods of venting, such as praying while still in character. Or just swear like a dwarf a little in the room, while still in character.

To the immortal I have three points. First, see this from the player's perspective and remember that everyone is fighting the good fight and doing the best they can. There was a lack of empathy in your response. Second, you responded to someone breaking character by breaking character yourself. If you want to encourage players to remain in character you shouldn't be breaking character, and this could have been dealt with in a positive fashion by remaining in character. Third, a roleplaying violation, especially when there are no PC victims, should not result in ROTD and a slay. A punishment this severe was often reserved for egregious rules violations, such a permas, multicharing, and other forms of cheating.

To Destuvius, you're in a tough spot. I would view all parties as your children. They both did something wrong, and both should learn something from the event. Ask yourself what the desired outcome is and how you achieve this. A severe punishment overlooks the forest (the overall health of the MUD and playercount) for the tree (a minor, and based on the information presented, victimless violation). But, you need both the immortal and the player to keep the game healthy.

How would I have handled this? Well, it's easy for me to play a Monday morning arm-chair quarterback, so here goes...
I would have taken away the character's voice, either through a very long garble or the mute edge if I felt it was warranted.

  

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HOT TopicUnbelievable [View all] , Czorzhinka (Anonymous), Mon 08-Apr-19 10:45 PM
Reply all in all, Glikberont, 11-Apr-19 02:04 PM, #48
Reply good bot. nt, Dallevian, 11-Apr-19 03:14 PM, #49
Reply The road to hell is paved with good intentions..., The Heretic, 10-Apr-19 08:28 AM #30
Reply One time..., Saagkri, 10-Apr-19 09:54 AM, #34
Reply For quasi-transparecny sake, Destuvius, 10-Apr-19 10:52 AM, #35
     Reply Thank you, incognito, 10-Apr-19 03:01 PM, #36
     Reply RE: For quasi-transparecny sake, Matusquella, 10-Apr-19 08:12 PM, #38
     Reply I'm terribly confused by this, Destuvius, 10-Apr-19 08:31 PM, #39
     Reply The irony in this statement, incognito, 11-Apr-19 12:11 AM, #41
     Reply Peace bro, Kstatida, 11-Apr-19 03:29 AM, #42
Reply Way Too Severe, Homard, 10-Apr-19 06:21 AM, #25
Reply My unrequested thoughts, incognito, 10-Apr-19 02:01 AM, #20
Reply What's the point of saying stuff OOC with nobody around..., rex spangler, 09-Apr-19 09:21 PM, #18
Reply I agree, but it was not well-handled, lasentia, 10-Apr-19 07:04 AM, #26
     Reply The problem with that strategy..., Lhydia, 10-Apr-19 08:03 AM, #28
     Reply RE: The problem with that strategy..., lasentia, 10-Apr-19 09:53 AM, #33
     Reply RE: I agree, but it was not well-handled, robdarken_, 11-Apr-19 06:37 AM, #46
Reply Congratz on playing something different, Destuvius, 09-Apr-19 06:06 PM, #16
Reply My two cents, NoobAgain, 09-Apr-19 12:27 PM, #13
Reply no, that's normal, Dallevian, 09-Apr-19 08:15 AM, #9
Reply he was well rp-d until he went full graatch, Dallevian, 09-Apr-19 01:00 PM, #14
Reply if a tree falls in the forest with no one around, does ..., Jhyrbian, 09-Apr-19 02:25 PM, #15
Reply You’re worse than my kids...., Welverin, 09-Apr-19 05:57 AM, #2
Reply True moral of the story, Kstatida, 09-Apr-19 07:08 AM, #6
Reply RE: True moral of the story, robdarken_, 09-Apr-19 07:14 AM, #8
Reply Even adults have to follow rules, Destuvius, 09-Apr-19 06:07 PM, #17
     Reply RE: Even adults have to follow rules, Czorzhinka (Anonymous), 09-Apr-19 09:57 PM, #19
     Reply Its cute you opt to go this route, Destuvius, 10-Apr-19 03:48 AM, #21
          Reply But whats the point.., Lhydia, 10-Apr-19 04:27 AM, #22
               Reply These forums posts are the extent of my involvement her..., Destuvius, 10-Apr-19 04:45 AM, #23
               Reply #drowlivesmatter n/t, Lhydia, 10-Apr-19 05:12 AM, #24
               Reply Could you point me which rule he broke, so I can avoid ..., Matusquella, 10-Apr-19 07:45 PM, #37
                    Reply RE: Could you point me which rule he broke, so I can av..., robdarken_, 10-Apr-19 10:45 PM, #40
                    Reply RE: Could you point me which rule he broke, so I can av..., Jarmel, 11-Apr-19 03:58 AM, #43
                    Reply There is some ambiguity here, incognito, 11-Apr-19 06:18 AM, #44
                    Reply RE: There is some ambiguity here, Jarmel, 11-Apr-19 06:31 PM, #50
                         Reply RE: There is some ambiguity here, Czorzhinka (Anonymous), 11-Apr-19 09:46 PM, #51
                              Reply Here's an idea, -flso, 15-Apr-19 06:40 PM, #53
                                   Reply welcome back n/t, Lhydia, 16-Apr-19 05:00 AM, #54
                    Reply RE: Could you point me which rule he broke, so I can av..., MAtusquella (Anonymous), 12-Apr-19 07:27 AM, #52
                    Reply Are you pretending to be incapable of avoiding it, incognito, 11-Apr-19 06:25 AM, #45
                    Reply I think the playerbase has it well covered., Jormyr, 11-Apr-19 11:52 AM, #47
               Reply RE:Did the guy have previous cheat history?, PBFbuyerguy (Anonymous), 10-Apr-19 07:14 AM, #27
                    Reply Hilariously, Kstatida, 10-Apr-19 08:29 AM, #31
                         Reply RE: Hilariously, JohnEveryMan, 10-Apr-19 08:46 AM, #32
     Reply Remember real life adult rules have purpose, Kstatida, 10-Apr-19 08:16 AM, #29
Reply RE: You’re worse than my kids...., Saagkri, 09-Apr-19 07:11 AM, #7
Reply My dear friend, you have a big psihology problem, read ..., Beront (Anonymous), 09-Apr-19 09:01 AM, #11
     Reply That did not disappoint. Thank you., Lhydia, 09-Apr-19 09:15 AM, #12
Reply Broke char after dying?, robdarken_, 08-Apr-19 11:05 PM, #1
     Reply It's sort of funny.., Lhydia, 09-Apr-19 05:58 AM, #3
          Reply You may be right, robdarken_, 09-Apr-19 07:02 AM, #4
               Reply Pump the breaks, robdarken_, Saagkri, 09-Apr-19 07:06 AM, #5
                    Reply That's what you think, robdarken_, 09-Apr-19 08:18 AM, #10
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