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Thaedan (Anonymous)Mon 26-Mar-18 09:08 AM
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#70197, "RE: I suggested they get rid of that EXP hole not long ago"


          

>but I'll be damned
>if I'm gonna invest gobs of time into creating a backstory and
>a face for a character just to watch them get perpetually
>slaughtered in pvp because I took on a mob bigger than my gear
>and then I have to try to face down someone 4 levels above me
>who's geared like a hero.

So you can't RP unless you're a PvP bad ass? Uh, okay. How about a role that doesn't involve you being a certified ass kicker?

>Can I
>get into RP'ing a character who's thousands of XP behind the
>curve and I know is gonna get pummeled by every rager or
>imperial? No. Delete... delete.

I'm finding it really difficult to understand why being in an XP hole makes it hard for you to role-play a character. Like, it doesn't even compute. Why would that matter?

Mob dying when you're near hero costs you 1/3 CON and, say, 45 extra minutes of ranking. Meh. If I've invested time and effort in a character then that's nothing to me. By that I mean stuff like: got into a cabal, spammed up some skills, took the time to write a description and role, maybe made some progress in a religion, and made some IC allies and enemies. And I'm going to throw all that away because of a silly mob death? No way.

>No. I'd rather delete than suffer the utter embarrassment...
>again... of being everyone's favorite punching bag and having
>my aldervari gear sacced before I can get back to my corpse
>because hours before I died trying to get charred bracers.

People sac your Aldevari stuff? That's lame. And, I hope, not the norm when most newbies die.

I find that many players, certainly including myself, go through certain "phases" with respect to PvP. Roughly, they are:

Level 0: You die all the time and aren't even sure why. Your gear is always sub-standard because you don't know where to get anything. You're frequently "lost" after teleporting. You can't afford to keep return/teleport potions on hand, or detect invis. When in PK you often panic and spam commands.

Level 1: You know where some gear is and you know most "common" areas. You know how to earn gold quickly enough to keep returns/teleports on hand. You've learned how to avoid people that are likely to kick your ass, but that is still pretty much everyone. When you do get into a fight, you're pretty good at running/quaffing away and not dying. You still don't initiate fights.

Level 2: You know what most common gear does and where to find it. You know most common areas very well, and a few less common areas. Your understanding of mechanics is better and you're mostly correct in evaluating which match-ups favor you and which don't. You're still wrong sometimes. You've started initiating fights against enemies you perceive yourself to match up well against.

Level 3: You know almost all the gear in the game and all the areas, both common and non. You understand match-ups as well as anyone and have a deep knowledge of how every class's skills work. You're good enough to initiate fights with people you don't match up well against and still win.

I consider myself to be around a "2.5" in the above scale. And that's after playing for 15+ years. A realistic goal is to reach Level One as quickly as possible. The game is considerably less frustrating when you're not a ghost half the time. At that point, if you're interested, you can start trying to actually kill other people.

Deleting the first time you mob-die, especially when that happens prior to level 11, is not conducive to you learning anything and/or improving at the game.

>And you hit on another one that I'll touch on. Mobs who kick
>the utter #### (maul or worse) out of noobs is exactly why I
>will not play a Gnome or Svirf any more.

Honestly, I don't blame you. I won't play gnomes either. Svirfs at least get inherent stone skin.

Solution to mob deaths: don't fight any mob that considers at "few lucky blows" or higher. If you stick to "perfect match" and below, it's almost always possible to flee without dying, even if you can't kill the mob in a single pass.

  

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HOT Locked TopicWhy I have never hero'd and probably never will. [View all] , Dunsellot, Sun 25-Mar-18 02:25 PM
Reply Locked due to sprawl., Jormyr, 29-Mar-18 01:52 AM, #115
Reply Look up PBFs of famous heroes of the past., Murphy, 28-Mar-18 06:30 PM, #107
Reply RE: Look up PBFs of famous heroes of the past., Thaedan (Anonymous), 28-Mar-18 07:08 PM, #108
     Reply Guais |Lv 1 |Tower of Sorcery |Cook by kick nt, Saagkri, 28-Mar-18 07:22 PM, #109
     Reply I'm jotting this down in my "painting ideas". (n/t), Murphy, 28-Mar-18 07:47 PM, #110
          Reply Kicked out of the kitchen to death nt, Saagkri, 28-Mar-18 07:52 PM, #111
     Reply Numbers, by themselves, can be misleading, Bemused, 28-Mar-18 09:24 PM, #113
          Reply RE: Numbers, by themselves, can be misleading, Thaedan (Anonymous), 28-Mar-18 10:12 PM, #114
Reply An observation, Bemused, 28-Mar-18 04:31 PM, #102
Reply Ye gods man, Daerkshyn, 28-Mar-18 10:21 AM, #81
Reply A general reply to responses and then going silent., Dunsellot, 28-Mar-18 10:01 AM, #80
Reply I'll own it. I said "your mom", Saagkri, 28-Mar-18 10:49 AM, #82
Reply Hilarious, Kstatida, 28-Mar-18 11:40 AM, #84
Reply Your mom's so fat..., Saagkri, 28-Mar-18 11:46 AM, #87
Reply How did I know you would find this funny?, Dunsellot, 28-Mar-18 12:09 PM, #89
Reply Oh, I'm sorry, I gotta respond to this., Dunsellot, 28-Mar-18 12:08 PM, #88
     Reply Ehh.., Java, 28-Mar-18 12:26 PM, #90
          Reply RE: Ehh.., Dunsellot, 28-Mar-18 01:03 PM, #91
               Reply Eh, it was borderline at best. But my point still stand..., Java, 28-Mar-18 01:09 PM, #92
               Reply RE: Eh, it was borderline at best. But my point still s..., Dunsellot, 28-Mar-18 01:30 PM, #93
                    Reply The whole point about roleplaying games, Java, 28-Mar-18 01:37 PM, #94
                         Reply I think you know exactly what I'm talking about here n/..., Dunsellot, 28-Mar-18 01:51 PM, #95
                              Reply I do. And that's why I'm arguing with you., Java, 28-Mar-18 02:01 PM, #96
                                   Reply Wrong, Dunsellot, 28-Mar-18 02:23 PM, #97
                                        Reply The first recorded "Your mom" joke was in 3500 BC., Java, 28-Mar-18 02:28 PM, #98
                                        Reply Adventurer's don't have mothers., Tac, 28-Mar-18 04:57 PM, #104
                                             Reply Adventurer's what?, Murphy, 28-Mar-18 06:27 PM, #106
                                        Reply Ok..., Saagkri, 28-Mar-18 02:36 PM, #100
                                        Reply Done!, Dunsellot, 28-Mar-18 06:05 PM, #105
                                        Reply RE: Wrong, robdarken_, 28-Mar-18 04:10 PM, #101
               Reply Please do. Nt, jalbrin, 28-Mar-18 08:00 PM, #112
Reply RE: A general reply to responses and then going silent., Thaedan (Anonymous), 28-Mar-18 11:35 AM, #83
Reply Ugh.. I don't know why everyone is trying so hard to he..., Java, 28-Mar-18 11:44 AM, #85
     Reply Boo, Kstatida, 28-Mar-18 11:45 AM, #86
Reply Deleted again, Dunsellot, 27-Mar-18 06:29 PM, #49
Reply Why didn't you just look for a group? (n/t), Murphy, 27-Mar-18 06:23 PM, #50
Reply RE: Why didn't you just look for a group? (n/t), Dunsellot, 27-Mar-18 06:26 PM, #51
     Reply The only eight people online were all Imperials?, Murphy, 27-Mar-18 06:55 PM, #53
          Reply Easier said than done n/t, Dunsellot, 27-Mar-18 07:04 PM, #57
               Reply It is not trivial but easier than many other things in ..., Murphy, 27-Mar-18 07:30 PM, #63
Reply You need to ask for help IC, Saagkri, 27-Mar-18 07:07 PM, #58
Reply RE: Deleted again, Thaedan (Anonymous), 27-Mar-18 07:19 PM, #60
Reply RE: Deleted again, Dunsellot, 27-Mar-18 08:24 PM, #66
     Reply Insult? Wait till you die in PK to speak of insults., Murphy, 27-Mar-18 08:55 PM, #70
     Reply Wait, I just read this..., Murphy, 27-Mar-18 09:00 PM, #71
     Reply XP/PK Range, Seriphax, 27-Mar-18 09:19 PM, #73
     Reply RE: XP/PK Range, Seriphax, 27-Mar-18 09:27 PM, #74
     Reply RE: Deleted again, Illanthos, 27-Mar-18 09:41 PM, #76
     Reply RE: Deleted again, Thaedan (Anonymous), 27-Mar-18 11:52 PM, #77
Reply You'e not gonna make it here. Best of luck to you. nt, k-b, 27-Mar-18 07:43 PM, #65
Reply Thanks, I'm gonna take up self-flagellation instead. Sh..., Dunsellot, 27-Mar-18 08:25 PM, #67
Reply If you can't learn to manage the NPCs at those levels, robdarken_, 27-Mar-18 08:48 PM, #69
Reply RE: Deleted again, Illanthos, 27-Mar-18 09:14 PM, #72
Reply So..., Kstatida, 28-Mar-18 04:28 AM, #79
Reply RE: Deleted again, incognito, 28-Mar-18 02:31 PM, #99
Reply RE: Deleted again, Shravthar, 28-Mar-18 04:51 PM, #103
Reply Personal suggestion., Seriphax, 27-Mar-18 05:17 AM, #44
Reply RE: Personal suggestion., Thaedan (Anonymous), 27-Mar-18 04:27 PM, #47
Reply With a quick sweep of Udgaard on your way. nt, Saagkri, 27-Mar-18 04:34 PM, #48
Reply Been there done that too, Dunsellot, 27-Mar-18 06:51 PM, #52
     Reply Empowerment is optional as of 2017. (n/t), Murphy, 27-Mar-18 06:57 PM, #54
     Reply You are correct., Dunsellot, 27-Mar-18 07:21 PM, #61
          Reply This is going to be the least of your problems., Murphy, 27-Mar-18 07:32 PM, #64
          Reply RE: You are correct., Seriphax, 27-Mar-18 09:40 PM, #75
     Reply RE: Been there done that too, Thaedan (Anonymous), 27-Mar-18 06:58 PM, #55
          Reply RE: Been there done that too, Dunsellot, 27-Mar-18 07:10 PM, #59
               Reply RE: Been there done that too, Thaedan (Anonymous), 27-Mar-18 07:23 PM, #62
                    Reply RE: Been there done that too, Dunsellot, 27-Mar-18 08:30 PM, #68
Reply RE: Why I have never hero'd and probably never will., Wasted, 26-Mar-18 01:17 PM, #40
Reply Keep Trucking. , TJHuron, 26-Mar-18 12:20 PM, #38
Reply One of the few ways CF is like RL..., Saagkri, 26-Mar-18 10:23 AM, #22
Reply One of the ways CF differs from RL, Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 10:27 AM, #24
     Reply RE: One of the ways CF differs from RL, Saagkri, 26-Mar-18 10:29 AM, #25
          Reply That's the great thing about reincarnation. One day, yo..., Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 10:32 AM, #26
               Reply In CF, you become Matrik instead., Murphy, 27-Mar-18 07:03 PM, #56
Reply RE: Why I have never hero'd and probably never will., Thaedan (Anonymous), 26-Mar-18 08:34 AM, #7
Reply RE: Why I have never hero'd and probably never will., incognito, 26-Mar-18 02:42 AM, #6
Reply RE: Why I have never hero'd and probably never will., Kstatida, 26-Mar-18 10:08 AM, #18
     Reply RE: Why I have never hero'd and probably never will., Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 10:14 AM, #21
     Reply I don't mind, Kstatida, 26-Mar-18 10:25 AM, #23
     Reply It's what he does., ice king, 26-Mar-18 10:51 AM, #31
          Reply Duly noted n/t, Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 11:46 AM, #35
     Reply RE: Why I have never hero'd and probably never will., incognito, 26-Mar-18 12:34 PM, #39
          Reply RE: Why I have never hero'd and probably never will., Kstatida, 27-Mar-18 10:00 AM, #45
               Reply Seriously?, incognito, 27-Mar-18 01:45 PM, #46
                    Reply MAAAAN, Kstatida, 28-Mar-18 04:27 AM, #78
Reply I can see why, Kstatida, 26-Mar-18 01:53 AM, #5
Reply Why do you assume he is going for charred leather brace..., SPN, 26-Mar-18 08:41 AM, #8
Reply Rothe-hide sleeves?, Kstatida, 26-Mar-18 09:53 AM, #14
Reply RE: Why do you assume he is going for charred leather b..., Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 10:06 AM, #17
     Reply hide didn't work, Kstatida, 26-Mar-18 10:09 AM, #19
          Reply RE: hide didn't work, Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 10:11 AM, #20
               Reply Oh you're THAT unlucky, Kstatida, 26-Mar-18 10:32 AM, #27
                    Reply You have no idea n/t, Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 10:36 AM, #28
Reply RE: I can see why, Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 09:08 AM, #11
     Reply You may not expect to be, Kstatida, 26-Mar-18 10:04 AM, #15
Reply I suggested they get rid of that EXP hole not long ago, enyuu, 25-Mar-18 05:49 PM, #1
     Reply get rid of it for newb flag below 30. nt, Dallevian, 25-Mar-18 06:13 PM, #2
     Reply RE: I suggested they get rid of that EXP hole not long ..., Dunsellot, 25-Mar-18 06:41 PM, #3
     Reply Roll a human assassin, Sertius, 25-Mar-18 09:18 PM, #4
     Reply RE: Roll a human assassin, Thaedan (Anonymous), 26-Mar-18 09:13 AM, #12
          Reply RE: Roll a human assassin, Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 10:05 AM, #16
               Reply RE: Roll a human assassin, Thaedan (Anonymous), 26-Mar-18 10:45 AM, #29
               Reply What is your goal with this thread?, Mcbeth, 26-Mar-18 10:49 AM, #30
                    Reply RE: What is your goal with this thread?, Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 11:41 AM, #33
                    Reply RE: What is your goal with this thread?, Mcbeth, 26-Mar-18 02:09 PM, #41
                    Reply You're wrong about the exp penalty, Java, 26-Mar-18 02:43 PM, #43
                    Reply RE: What is your goal with this thread?, Thaedan (Anonymous), 26-Mar-18 11:42 AM, #34
                         Reply RE: What is your goal with this thread?, Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 11:51 AM, #36
                              Reply RE: What is your goal with this thread?, Thaedan (Anonymous), 26-Mar-18 11:58 AM, #37
                                   Reply FWIW, Mcbeth, 26-Mar-18 02:20 PM, #42
     Reply RE: I suggested they get rid of that EXP hole not long ..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 26-Mar-18 09:08 AM #10
          Reply RE: I suggested they get rid of that EXP hole not long ..., Dunsellot, 26-Mar-18 09:46 AM, #13
               Reply RE: I suggested they get rid of that EXP hole not long ..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 26-Mar-18 10:54 AM, #32
     Reply I enjoy it., Matrik-, 26-Mar-18 09:03 AM, #9
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