Tac | Fri 22-Dec-17 10:17 AM |
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#69591, "I don't believe it was...."
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At least not satisfactorily. I generally believe forums are terrible for debate, but I'll give it a try anyway:
Here is the line in question:
They hold no reverence for nature or natural law and have no objections to extraplanar sorcery, magical mutations, or undeath. They do, however, reject the art of conjuration -- not because of the breaking of planar boundaries, but because the binding into servitude of extraplanar beings conflicts with their commitment to absolute freedom.
There are sentient undead in the form of wights, mummies, and liches. There are also mummy undead (and possibly wights, I'm not intimately familiar with greater undead) that a necromancer can summon and control. Are we to believe they are mere constructs? Or, based on race, are they semi-sentient, but clearly bound to servitude? Are Entropy necro's not allowed to raise undead? Are they only allowed lesser undead?
An Entropy AP is clearly binding pieces of other people's soul to servitude in his axe. I'm not sure how you would make any other argument about what is happening there... Is an Entropy AP not to make an unholy weapon as it conflicts with the abosolute freedom doctrine?
The lore of CF says Chaos Mages made deals with demons, and called them to serve them in the war with the Order mages. Are Entropists, who study Chaos magic, just ignoring that piece of CF Lore?
There are writing in Khardath's planar sanctum on conjurations and bindings. Specifically that the bindings are not subversion of will, which fits with the mechanics since forcing a servitor to do things they don't like causes them to turn, but rather to assuage the pain of being off their home plane (or something similar). Is that ####? If it is, where is the authoritative version of what is going on? Outlanders have their beliefs on the matter, and Fort has a slightly different but very similar view which is why you can't hardly play a Fort conjie without getting #### about it, and yet another cabal echoing those same beliefs seems like it is somehow given and not up for debate IC. At that point, why even have conjurers?
Finally, if Entropy has this as their "guiding" principle, what is the difference, especially for evil characters, between playing Entropy and Outlander? I could easily see, say evil invoker, making a strong case to be in both cabals. It isn't like they couldn't attack other Entropist's for breaking Outlander dogma and vice versa. Why have two cabals fill essentially the same niche with the only real difference being the inclusion or exclusion of certain classes based on nature vs. magic?
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Cabal Guides
[View all] , Rahsael, Wed 20-Dec-17 02:01 PM
HERALD,
Daphedee,
09-Feb-18 05:10 PM, #51
Can you actually raid the Inn?,
Cointreau,
09-Feb-18 08:32 PM, #52
You can't.,
Murphy,
09-Feb-18 09:08 PM, #53
BATTLE,
Jormyr,
06-Jan-18 11:39 PM, #42
RE: BATTLE,
Dan83,
07-Jan-18 04:50 AM, #43
TRIBUNAL:,
Ishuli,
03-Jan-18 02:22 PM, #39
Orderly only?,
mage,
06-Jan-18 04:00 AM, #40
I’m sorry but I think Trib is the last cabal to ...,
TJHuron,
06-Jan-18 10:16 PM, #41
The kind of post that should stay sticky maybe? nt,
Ujudludul,
21-Dec-17 06:32 PM, #14
This, and clean up as well.,
Swordsosaurus,
22-Dec-17 10:11 PM, #22
Agree'd ,
Blkdrgn,
23-Dec-17 11:57 AM, #24
No it shouldn't. The info isn't permanently true...,
Tac,
23-Dec-17 12:08 PM, #25
RE: This, and clean up as well.,
Rahsael,
24-Dec-17 01:52 AM, #27
ENTROPY,
Rahsael,
20-Dec-17 02:30 PM, #2
Small request?,
Cointreau,
21-Dec-17 04:12 AM, #7
I lold a little.,
Lhydia,
21-Dec-17 04:44 AM, #8
This.,
Murphy,
23-Dec-17 08:31 AM, #23
Live a little.,
ice king,
24-Dec-17 02:07 PM, #28
Out of curiosity.,
Seriphax,
21-Dec-17 12:49 PM, #9
Or conjies. Chaos mages brought demons in CF lore...,
Tac,
21-Dec-17 02:44 PM, #11
This is addressed directly in my above post. Thanks! n/...,
Rahsael,
21-Dec-17 03:02 PM, #12
I don't believe it was....,
Tac,
22-Dec-17 10:17 AM #17
Good point on Khardrath's. n/t,
Relio,
22-Dec-17 11:07 AM, #18
RE: I don't believe it was....,
Rahsael,
22-Dec-17 11:26 AM, #19
Sure. Tell me I can get a conjie inducted and I'll pla...,
Tac,
22-Dec-17 02:18 PM, #20
Wild idea...,
Destuvius,
22-Dec-17 04:37 PM, #21
That's how I advocated for felar transmuters and necrom...,
Murphy,
26-Dec-17 03:07 AM, #30
RE: Sure. Tell me I can get a conjie inducted and I'll...,
Rahsael,
24-Dec-17 02:05 AM, #26
You should also write a guide...,
Relio,
26-Dec-17 02:11 AM, #29
RE: Sure. Tell me I can get a conjie inducted and I'll...,
Tac,
27-Dec-17 08:53 PM, #31
RE: I don't believe it was....,
Swordsosaurus,
27-Dec-17 10:15 PM, #32
Obviously linked to questy stuff,
Kstatida,
21-Dec-17 06:00 PM, #13
What about mercs and coins?,
mage,
28-Dec-17 03:48 AM, #33
BUMP n/t,
mage,
29-Dec-17 03:06 PM, #34
Here's what you should do...,
Tac,
29-Dec-17 03:44 PM, #35
This........................ JK!,
Rahsael,
30-Dec-17 09:36 PM, #37
Thank you for this thorough response,
mage,
03-Jan-18 04:50 AM, #38
There's no hard no,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-17 05:51 PM, #36
So, without a mortal leader to handle inductions,
Curious Seeker (Anonymous),
23-Jan-18 04:33 PM, #44
Per the helpfile....,
Jormyr,
23-Jan-18 09:26 PM, #46
RE: Per the helpfile....,
Woops (Anonymous),
23-Jan-18 09:34 PM, #47
Why no animists?,
Murphy,
23-Jan-18 09:02 PM, #45
RE: Why no animists?,
Kstatida,
24-Jan-18 06:50 AM, #48
help veil ranger,
Murphy,
24-Jan-18 07:08 PM, #49
RE: help veil ranger,
Kstatida,
25-Jan-18 06:14 AM, #50
FORTRESS,
Korsgaard,
20-Dec-17 02:18 PM, #1
Power question,
Relio,
20-Dec-17 04:01 PM, #3
Nope.,
Jormyr,
20-Dec-17 10:24 PM, #4
Clarification,
Relio,
20-Dec-17 11:29 PM, #5
RE: Clarification,
Rahsael,
21-Dec-17 01:28 AM, #6
Offensively kind of meh.,
Seriphax,
21-Dec-17 12:59 PM, #10
Magic items that...,
Curiouser (Anonymous),
22-Dec-17 09:36 AM, #15
Oops, this is about ENTROPY,
Saagkri,
22-Dec-17 09:37 AM, #16
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