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NNNickMon 14-Apr-03 12:25 PM
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#779, "Poison thief suggestions"


          

Suggestions for Sebeok and other Imms involved in thief project.
Honorable mention – Cyradia who started it.

While reading below please bear in mind - These are my observations on subject how could we improve poison thieves. Nothing more, nothing less.

Just for a reference

List of Poison thief skills (taken from Dio):

Level 12:
Food Poison
Concoct Poison
Emetic Poison
Apply
Level 14:
Drink Poison
Antidote
Level 17:
Inhaled Poison
Level 19:
Knock-out
Level 23:
Weapon Poison
Neurological Poison
Level 28:
Grease Weapon
Level 30:
Fear Poison
Level 33:
Contact Poison
Level 35:
Weapon Nick
Level 36:
Mind Control
Level 40:
Grenade


a) Slightly change names of the skills
I read that help files on poisons three times before I understood the concept.
It is really confusing.

Could you change skill names a bit to distinguish type from method (same thing with trap names)?
Like:
Food poisoning
Drink poisoning
Inhaled poisoning
Weapon poisoning
Contact poisoning

Type:
Emetic poison type
Knock-out poison type
Neuro poison type
Mind control poison type

b) Add extra poison
'Poison' poison type - deals damage (applied by all methods)

Not really my idea. It was mentioned below. But it fits perfectly.
I would think this would be a first poison thieves should be able to learn.

c) Change antidote a bit
Antidote - it is drink container right now.
What are you suppose to do with 'knock-out antidote' drink container anyway?

Change it to 'antidote' item type. So thief has to 'apply' it to cure himself or others.
Something like 'apply <antidote> <self/person>'

d) Get rid of 'Grease weapon' completely for following reasons:
-It never worked for me or any poison thieves (I mean it never made weapon slip from somebody's hand)
-It mimics invoker's spell 'grease' too much
-It does not fit poison path. I would give it to binder instead. With bonus to 'sleeping disarm' perhaps.

e) Lower level on 'Weapon nick'
In my mind it comes a little too late.
Most classes have their most potent abilities learned already.
Say level 28 instead of grease_weapon.

f) Weapons with poison on them
Poison thief should be able to notice poison crystals on the blade as he examines it.
Could you please modify 'examine' command to reflect it?

g) 'Clean weapon' command
Opposite version of 'weapon poison'.
I would like to be able to carefully wipe poison from my blade with rag and reapply different kind.
At this moment I am forced to wait ~100 hours for poison to dry out or use another weapon.

h) Allow 'suggest wield/hold/wear' and 'suggest drink/eat'
This will give some interesting options to poison thief. And it perfectly fits into suggest idea.

i) Split Grenade into two.
One for poison thieves and one for trappers.

It does not make sense to me as dedicated poisoner to suddenly learn how to handle 'trap ingredients' and make explosives out of them without any prior experience.

  

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HOT TopicThief Suggestion [View all] , DwE, Tue 08-Apr-03 03:26 PM
Reply Add-on, Llohuir, 14-Apr-03 09:21 PM, #20
Reply Keep dreaming, Zulghinlour, 14-Apr-03 11:23 PM, #21
Reply My thoughts on playing a poison path, Llohuir, 14-Apr-03 09:19 PM, #19
Reply Poison thief suggestions, NNNick, 14-Apr-03 12:25 PM #17
Reply RE: Good stuff., DwE, 14-Apr-03 03:04 PM, #18
Reply RE: Poison thief suggestions, Zulghinlour, 15-Apr-03 03:09 PM, #22
Reply Great Ideas!, ORB, 17-Apr-03 12:51 AM, #24
Reply From a poisoner, Dunsel, 10-Apr-03 09:48 AM, #13
Reply RE: From a poisoner, DwE, 10-Apr-03 12:12 PM, #15
     Reply RE: From a poisoner, Dunsel, 10-Apr-03 01:21 PM, #16
Reply Oddly enough..., Zulghinlour, 10-Apr-03 01:41 AM, #9
Reply While your at it...;), Romanul, 10-Apr-03 05:12 AM, #11
Reply Impertenant bastard!, ORB, 10-Apr-03 07:02 AM, #12
Reply Shadow Disappear, Anal_Retentive, 16-Apr-03 04:01 PM, #23
Reply Any chance we could see Precision Knifings ? {~}, Cassman, 18-Apr-03 08:46 PM, #25
     Reply Like thugs need any more help (n/t), Zulghinlour, 19-Apr-03 01:15 AM, #26
Reply Call me insane, but I think they should all have acroba..., Little Timmy (Anonymous), 09-Apr-03 11:09 AM, #4
Reply Yeah, that's crazy in a not-going-to-happen kind of way..., DwE, 09-Apr-03 11:17 AM, #6
Reply I really do think it's a reasonable idea that makes sen..., Little Timmy (Anonymous), 09-Apr-03 01:05 PM, #7
     Reply Uhm, Nightgaunt_, 09-Apr-03 01:29 PM, #8
Reply You're insane...seriously (n/t), Zulghinlour, 10-Apr-03 01:41 AM, #10
Reply RE: Thief Suggestion, Llohuir, 09-Apr-03 12:15 AM, #2
Reply RE: Thief Suggestion, ORB, 09-Apr-03 07:05 AM, #3
Reply I find poisoners fun, then again, I'm a passive agressi..., Dunsel, 10-Apr-03 10:09 AM, #14
Reply disengage, incognito, 09-Apr-03 11:13 AM, #5
Reply I agree., Xaannix, 08-Apr-03 06:17 PM, #1
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