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TacThu 21-Sep-17 04:00 PM
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#68998, "Trib Law and Consequences"


          

I believe the crux of the Trib law problem comes not from any actual issues with the Law being poorly written (which it is), but that the consequences aren't fun from an OOC perspective. IC, My badass hero Villager doesn't give two ####s about the law. I kill mages. Don't care where. But that is tempered, not by the fear of getting on Tribunal's bad side, but by the OOC annoyance and time wasting of dealing with guard NPCs all over the place.

Or, if you aren't a villager, and you aren't an Outlander, and you have an actual desire to ever buy anything, you have literally invulnerable shoppies that kick your ass if you forget for a second that you are WANTED. You have to mow throw low level NPCs attack you even though they die 2 rounds later. You have towns like Udgaard, which don't even have Tribunal protection, being completely inaccessible.

None of this makes sense IC. Very little of it is punishing in an IC sense. Almost all of it seems designed to annoy, punish, and waste the time of the WANTED player.

Imagine, if you will, a Thera where you, as a minotaur, got attacked by every human female. After all, you are an abomination born from the death of a human female. How playable is said minotaur? Even as a hero this would just be *annoying*. Now if Human Female PC wanted to try and murder you, that would be interesting. That could be a fun little story between two players, but being harassed by NPCs isn't fun or interesting. It obnoxious.

If you want to fix Tribunal "law", fix guard NPC behaviour to give them any sense of self-preservation. Fix all the random "guard" mobs that shouldn't give 2 ####s about a WANTED flag. Make shoppies murder-able and loot-able, so if they want to start something because you are a criminal, they can reap the consequences. Now being WANTED isn't pure player annoyance and you can fill that hole with meaningful player interaction instead of time wasting punishment style behavior.

  

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HOT TopicTrib Law for Murphy [View all] , Lhydia, Tue 12-Sep-17 05:22 AM
Reply Law vs. Man, Saagkri, 21-Sep-17 05:49 PM, #62
Reply RE: Law vs. Man, Jarmel, 25-Sep-17 10:48 PM, #70
Reply Trib Law and Consequences, Tac, 21-Sep-17 04:00 PM #60
Reply That's my main issue with creative flagging, Kstatida, 21-Sep-17 04:08 PM, #61
Reply I think that's universally true. No one argues their m..., Tac, 22-Sep-17 11:32 AM, #65
Reply RE: Trib Law and Consequences, Jarmel, 25-Sep-17 10:55 PM, #71
     Reply Yeah that's what I do, Murphy, 26-Sep-17 01:09 AM, #72
     Reply RE: Yeah that's what I do, Kstatida, 26-Sep-17 02:26 AM, #73
     Reply RE: Trib Law and Consequences, Tac, 26-Sep-17 10:49 AM, #74
Reply Epic fail Murphy, Lhydia, 21-Sep-17 08:26 AM, #57
Reply RE: Epic fail Murphy, Kstatida, 21-Sep-17 08:59 AM, #58
Reply Good for you. Move along., Murphy, 21-Sep-17 09:51 AM, #59
Reply Not everything is free to be reinterpreted, Murphy, 18-Sep-17 08:18 AM, #1
     Reply RE: Not everything is free to be reinterpreted, Jarmel, 18-Sep-17 08:59 AM, #2
     Reply You're making no sense, please stay on topic., Murphy, 18-Sep-17 09:18 AM, #4
     Reply Was that before or after he left the game forever? n/t, Lhydia, 18-Sep-17 09:05 AM, #3
     Reply i feel like you know this, laxman, 18-Sep-17 11:16 PM, #5
          Reply Exactly, Murphy, 19-Sep-17 12:52 AM, #6
               Reply Any IMM care to weigh in here? (n/t), Current challenge (Anonymous), 19-Sep-17 02:22 PM, #7
               Reply Sure., Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 12:16 PM, #8
                    Reply Do you take into account, Kstatida, 20-Sep-17 12:58 PM, #9
                    Reply You're assuming, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 03:50 PM, #10
                    Reply As someone who was around at the time..., Lhydia, 20-Sep-17 03:52 PM, #12
                         Reply RE: As someone who was around at the time..., sleepy, 20-Sep-17 04:11 PM, #13
                              Reply I don't think CF's trib laws were written by lawyers, lasentia, 22-Sep-17 09:22 AM, #64
                    Reply RE: Do you take into account, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 03:49 PM, #11
                         Reply Flagging someone who defends their cabal, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 04:33 PM, #14
                              Reply RE: Flagging someone who defends their cabal, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 04:43 PM, #15
                                   Reply So being off-duty matters after all?, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 04:59 PM, #16
                                        Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 05:38 PM, #17
                                             Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 08:02 PM, #21
                                                  Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 08:13 PM, #22
                                                       Reply What do you mean it doesn't specify jurisdiction?, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 08:52 PM, #26
                                                       Reply RE: What do you mean it doesn't specify jurisdiction?, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 09:20 PM, #39
                                                            Reply Holy Molly!, Kstatida, 21-Sep-17 04:56 AM, #54
                                                       Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:00 PM, #28
                                                       Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 09:17 PM, #35
                                                            Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:34 PM, #42
                                                            Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 09:53 PM, #45
                                                            Reply Fellow 2L checking in!, Andrlos, 21-Sep-17 05:51 AM, #56
                                                                 Reply Three law students? You poor bastards :), lasentia, 22-Sep-17 08:56 AM, #63
                                                                 Reply RE: Fellow 2L checking in!, sleepy, 22-Sep-17 02:34 PM, #66
                                                                      Reply RE: Fellow 2L checking in!, Andrlos, 22-Sep-17 05:29 PM, #67
                                                                      Reply RE: Fellow 2L checking in!, sleepy, 22-Sep-17 10:38 PM, #68
                                                            Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Kstatida, 21-Sep-17 05:15 AM, #55
                                                       Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:04 PM, #30
                                                            Reply I mean..., sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:15 PM, #33
                                                                 Reply RE: I mean..., Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:33 PM, #41
                                                                      Reply RE: I mean..., sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:38 PM, #43
                                                                      Reply RE: I mean..., Jarmel, 21-Sep-17 12:38 AM, #50
                                                                      Reply My example was terrible Criminal A Criminal B, Jarmel, 21-Sep-17 12:43 AM, #51
                    Reply Tribunal library. Look for Precedents :-D, Quixotic, 20-Sep-17 07:00 PM, #19
               Reply RE: Exactly, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 06:22 PM, #18
                    Reply 4b with some investigation can allow a flag. 8 doesn't, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 07:54 PM, #20
                    Reply RE: 4b with some investigation can allow a flag. 8 does..., Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 08:45 PM, #24
                         Reply Are you just deliberately misinterpreting my words?, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 09:05 PM, #31
                              Reply I simply quoted you first and questioned what was said, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:18 PM, #36
                                   Reply See post #37., Murphy, 20-Sep-17 09:27 PM, #38
                                        Reply RE: See post #48., Jarmel, 21-Sep-17 12:54 AM, #52
                    Reply RE: Exactly, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 08:33 PM, #23
                         Reply He argues that your intent doesn't matter, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 08:49 PM, #25
                         Reply Focus on my example first ..., Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:00 PM, #29
                         Reply RE: Exactly, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 08:58 PM, #27
                         Reply RE: Exactly, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:16 PM, #32
                         Reply RE: Exactly, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:16 PM, #34
                              Reply That doesn't really answer the Q, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:24 PM, #40
                                   Reply RE: That doesn't really answer the Q, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 10:06 PM, #46
                         Reply That line in the sand cannot be drawn the way you draw ..., Murphy, 20-Sep-17 09:19 PM, #37
                              Reply RE: That line in the sand cannot be drawn the way you d..., Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:48 PM, #44
                                   Reply Here's what I imagined that can justify a flag:, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 10:31 PM, #47
                                        Reply I can see your point, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 11:57 PM, #48
                                             Reply What if..., sleepy, 21-Sep-17 01:42 AM, #53
                                                  Reply RE: What if..., Jarmel, 25-Sep-17 10:36 PM, #69
                         Reply Ok I have got this now, Jarmel, 21-Sep-17 12:18 AM, #49
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