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MurphyWed 20-Sep-17 10:31 PM
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#68976, "Here's what I imagined that can justify a flag:"


          

I didn't mean 4b in a vacuum. But consider this:

Criminal attacks you in the city. Fights briefly, then runs out. You scan, see 4 people standing there (including a healer). Criminal returns fully healed and with sanc, attacks you again.

You can flag their healer now. He never stepped in the city but he helped a criminal and it could at least be argued that the crime happened in the city (because the criminal is in the city using this benefit to fight back against you).

But even then you would need to make sure the healer really did heal and sanc him -- in this context I mentioned a lowbie assassin could help.

This is as far as I feel a provost can take flagging and still be justified. FWIW, I didn't even take it this far, although I allowed my magistrates to flag in such particular cases, if they felt it was the right way.

However, if it can in no way be argued that the crime happened in the city, then you cannot flag, and this was never subject to interpretation, in my eyes.

  

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HOT TopicTrib Law for Murphy [View all] , Lhydia, Tue 12-Sep-17 05:22 AM
Reply Law vs. Man, Saagkri, 21-Sep-17 05:49 PM, #62
Reply RE: Law vs. Man, Jarmel, 25-Sep-17 10:48 PM, #70
Reply Trib Law and Consequences, Tac, 21-Sep-17 04:00 PM, #60
Reply That's my main issue with creative flagging, Kstatida, 21-Sep-17 04:08 PM, #61
Reply I think that's universally true. No one argues their m..., Tac, 22-Sep-17 11:32 AM, #65
Reply RE: Trib Law and Consequences, Jarmel, 25-Sep-17 10:55 PM, #71
     Reply Yeah that's what I do, Murphy, 26-Sep-17 01:09 AM, #72
     Reply RE: Yeah that's what I do, Kstatida, 26-Sep-17 02:26 AM, #73
     Reply RE: Trib Law and Consequences, Tac, 26-Sep-17 10:49 AM, #74
Reply Epic fail Murphy, Lhydia, 21-Sep-17 08:26 AM, #57
Reply RE: Epic fail Murphy, Kstatida, 21-Sep-17 08:59 AM, #58
Reply Good for you. Move along., Murphy, 21-Sep-17 09:51 AM, #59
Reply Not everything is free to be reinterpreted, Murphy, 18-Sep-17 08:18 AM, #1
     Reply RE: Not everything is free to be reinterpreted, Jarmel, 18-Sep-17 08:59 AM, #2
     Reply You're making no sense, please stay on topic., Murphy, 18-Sep-17 09:18 AM, #4
     Reply Was that before or after he left the game forever? n/t, Lhydia, 18-Sep-17 09:05 AM, #3
     Reply i feel like you know this, laxman, 18-Sep-17 11:16 PM, #5
          Reply Exactly, Murphy, 19-Sep-17 12:52 AM, #6
               Reply Any IMM care to weigh in here? (n/t), Current challenge (Anonymous), 19-Sep-17 02:22 PM, #7
               Reply Sure., Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 12:16 PM, #8
                    Reply Do you take into account, Kstatida, 20-Sep-17 12:58 PM, #9
                    Reply You're assuming, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 03:50 PM, #10
                    Reply As someone who was around at the time..., Lhydia, 20-Sep-17 03:52 PM, #12
                         Reply RE: As someone who was around at the time..., sleepy, 20-Sep-17 04:11 PM, #13
                              Reply I don't think CF's trib laws were written by lawyers, lasentia, 22-Sep-17 09:22 AM, #64
                    Reply RE: Do you take into account, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 03:49 PM, #11
                         Reply Flagging someone who defends their cabal, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 04:33 PM, #14
                              Reply RE: Flagging someone who defends their cabal, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 04:43 PM, #15
                                   Reply So being off-duty matters after all?, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 04:59 PM, #16
                                        Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 05:38 PM, #17
                                             Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 08:02 PM, #21
                                                  Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 08:13 PM, #22
                                                       Reply What do you mean it doesn't specify jurisdiction?, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 08:52 PM, #26
                                                       Reply RE: What do you mean it doesn't specify jurisdiction?, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 09:20 PM, #39
                                                            Reply Holy Molly!, Kstatida, 21-Sep-17 04:56 AM, #54
                                                       Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:00 PM, #28
                                                       Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 09:17 PM, #35
                                                            Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:34 PM, #42
                                                            Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Ishuli, 20-Sep-17 09:53 PM, #45
                                                            Reply Fellow 2L checking in!, Andrlos, 21-Sep-17 05:51 AM, #56
                                                                 Reply Three law students? You poor bastards :), lasentia, 22-Sep-17 08:56 AM, #63
                                                                 Reply RE: Fellow 2L checking in!, sleepy, 22-Sep-17 02:34 PM, #66
                                                                      Reply RE: Fellow 2L checking in!, Andrlos, 22-Sep-17 05:29 PM, #67
                                                                      Reply RE: Fellow 2L checking in!, sleepy, 22-Sep-17 10:38 PM, #68
                                                            Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Kstatida, 21-Sep-17 05:15 AM, #55
                                                       Reply RE: So being off-duty matters after all?, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:04 PM, #30
                                                            Reply I mean..., sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:15 PM, #33
                                                                 Reply RE: I mean..., Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:33 PM, #41
                                                                      Reply RE: I mean..., sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:38 PM, #43
                                                                      Reply RE: I mean..., Jarmel, 21-Sep-17 12:38 AM, #50
                                                                      Reply My example was terrible Criminal A Criminal B, Jarmel, 21-Sep-17 12:43 AM, #51
                    Reply Tribunal library. Look for Precedents :-D, Quixotic, 20-Sep-17 07:00 PM, #19
               Reply RE: Exactly, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 06:22 PM, #18
                    Reply 4b with some investigation can allow a flag. 8 doesn't, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 07:54 PM, #20
                    Reply RE: 4b with some investigation can allow a flag. 8 does..., Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 08:45 PM, #24
                         Reply Are you just deliberately misinterpreting my words?, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 09:05 PM, #31
                              Reply I simply quoted you first and questioned what was said, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:18 PM, #36
                                   Reply See post #37., Murphy, 20-Sep-17 09:27 PM, #38
                                        Reply RE: See post #48., Jarmel, 21-Sep-17 12:54 AM, #52
                    Reply RE: Exactly, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 08:33 PM, #23
                         Reply He argues that your intent doesn't matter, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 08:49 PM, #25
                         Reply Focus on my example first ..., Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:00 PM, #29
                         Reply RE: Exactly, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 08:58 PM, #27
                         Reply RE: Exactly, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:16 PM, #32
                         Reply RE: Exactly, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:16 PM, #34
                              Reply That doesn't really answer the Q, sleepy, 20-Sep-17 09:24 PM, #40
                                   Reply RE: That doesn't really answer the Q, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 10:06 PM, #46
                         Reply That line in the sand cannot be drawn the way you draw ..., Murphy, 20-Sep-17 09:19 PM, #37
                              Reply RE: That line in the sand cannot be drawn the way you d..., Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 09:48 PM, #44
                                   Reply Here's what I imagined that can justify a flag:, Murphy, 20-Sep-17 10:31 PM #47
                                        Reply I can see your point, Jarmel, 20-Sep-17 11:57 PM, #48
                                             Reply What if..., sleepy, 21-Sep-17 01:42 AM, #53
                                                  Reply RE: What if..., Jarmel, 25-Sep-17 10:36 PM, #69
                         Reply Ok I have got this now, Jarmel, 21-Sep-17 12:18 AM, #49
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